Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan includes a personal income tax, a business tax, and a sales tax, all at flat rates of nine percent. Bruce Bartlett critiques the plan in the New York Times today, and he flags a fact about the business tax that I hadn’t been aware of:
The business tax in the Cain plan bears no resemblance to the present corporate income tax. The tax would apply to gross sales less dividends paid and all purchases from other companies, including investment goods. Thus, there would be no deduction for wages.
This is far more similar to a value-added tax than to a corporate income tax. And indeed, the description on Cain’s website matches Bartlett’s, saying the business tax would apply to “Gross income less all investments, all purchases from other businesses and all dividends paid to shareholders.” One question is what Cain means by “gross income,” but I think he has to mean something like gross revenue–anything that looks like a profits concept would already exclude “purchases from other businesses” and so they would not be there to deduct.
This has a few upshots.
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Cain is proposing both a lightly-modified VAT and a separate retail sales tax. This is certainly an unusual idea. I also think it’s not the popular understanding of the plan–I think people tend to assume, as I did, that it includes a corporate income tax and a sales tax.
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I’d been mystified by Cain’s claims that his plan would not sharply reduce tax revenues, despite repealing payroll taxes, which raise nearly $1 trillion per year in revenue. But a 9 percent VAT could raise around $600 billion a year, three to six times the amount that a 9 percent corporate income tax could be expected to raise.*
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Allowing a deduction for dividends paid before calculating VAT is strange. Cain says that “Dividend deductibility will help retirees, improve accounting, and moderate stock-option driven executive compensation.” Certainly, this policy would encourage companies to pay more dividends, and therefore help people who receive dividends. But it would also introduce new distortions into the tax code. Currently, our tax structure favors debt finance of corporations over equity finance, because corporations can deduct interest expense from their taxable income, but not dividends paid. Cain’s plan would reverse that, allowing deduction of dividends paid but not interest expense, and therefore creating undue incentives for corporations to finance themselves with equity instead of debt. (Ideally, a tax reform should equalize the treatment of corporate debt and equity.)
I’m not firmly anti-VAT, though I think the better path to a consumption tax base is with a tax structure that retains income tax returns but doesn’t tax investment. The X-Tax is a good example. I do think that it makes little sense to enact both a VAT and a separate national retail sales tax.
*Originally, this post stated that a 9 percent VAT would raise about $900 billion a year. I was relying on a faulty rule of thumb that implies an effective VAT base of two-thirds of GDP, and Bruce Bartlett points out by email that most VATs have a base closer to one-third to one-half of GDP. The Tax Policy Center score of the Ryan Roadmap estimated that that plan’s VAT would have an effective base of 50 percent of GDP. (Many European VATs have a narrower effective base because they tax food and other items at a reduced rate, which Cain is not proposing.) A 9 percent VAT that hits 50 percent of GDP would raise nearly $700 billion, but that revenue would be somewhat reduced by the exemption for dividends.
It is embarrassing to read such an ignorant article in such a prestigious site. Please, Mr. Salam, contact Herman Cain and have him explain his 9-9-9 plan to you as well as provide you with a copy of it. I am sure he will do it gladly, because the last thing he wants is to see the plan demagogued in such an ignorant fashion.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMan, is this "writer" a shill for the left, or WHAT? Come on and read about the plan, instead of making assumptions that it's a VAT tax! LOL If you had any brains, Mr. Salam, you would understand that the purpose of the plan, is to do away with all embedded taxes contained within the costs of products, which currently is 22% on the average. Then, to apply a 9% flat tax across the board on all NEW products; meaning USED products would not be taxed over and over again, redundantly. Not only that, but to pay 9% in income taxes (NO PAYROLL TAXES) come April 15th (you will be receiving your full paycheck each pay period) will bring this economy back from the brink of Depression and will prompt more small businesses and corporations (which will be paying a flat tax of 9%, also) to hire and flourish again. One thing that is being deliberately avoided, in an effort to demonize this plan, is the fact that EVERYONE will be paying into this, whether they are legally in this country or not.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseBrunilda, have you actually READ
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseCain's plan? There is nothing Mr. Salam has pointed out that isn't so. In fact, I thought he went pretty easy on the plan. It is a FACT that the third part of Cain's plan is structured for the possibility of a VAT. Unlike, Mr. Salam, however, I am deeply opposed to the VAT. How about YOU contact Mr. Cain and ask him to explain the VAT part of his tax plan to YOU?
Brunilda what is embarrassing here is the continual denial of Cain supporters that the 9-9-9 plan is anything other than a gimmick. That's understandable given Cains denial that the Federal Reserve under Alan Greenspan had no responsibility. Of course Cain denied that there was a housing bubble in late 2006 after it had already started to collapse. Then again in the late Spring of 2008 he denied that the economy was in trouble when he stated it was a "Cinderella economy". Incredibly he once again in September of 2008 Cain denied that there was a recession once again claiming the economy was "in terrific shape". Less that TWO WEEKS later the US economy collapsed.
As for this article? The author merely raises questions and points out some details. A attack on him by calling his article "ignorant" is disingenuous.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseBrunilda; what is embarrassing here is the continual denial of Cain supporters that the 9-9-9 plan is anything other than a gimmick. That's understandable given Cains denial that the Federal Reserve under Alan Greenspan had no responsibility. Of course Cain denied that there was a housing bubble in late 2006 after it had already started to collapse. Then again in the late Spring of 2008 he denied that the economy was in trouble when he stated it was a "Cinderella economy". Incredibly he once again in September of 2008 Cain denied that there was a recession once again claiming the economy was "in terrific shape". Less that TWO WEEKS later the US economy collapsed.
As for this article? The author merely raises questions and points out some details. A attack on him by calling his article "ignorant" is disingenuous.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe assumption in all this is that Cain actually *has* a plan. He has a slogan, but no product.
Back in April, he was only talking about reducing corporate taxes from 35 to 25%; a few months later, he was talking about a 25% personal flat tax; a few months more and his "plan" had three "phases", starting with a 25-25 flat tax, plus 9% national sales tax. Now, he's scrapped the 25-25 and promotes the simplistic and cute "9-9-9" slogan.
Neither he, nor his one and only CPA Advisor, has any clue what they're talking about. The only that that has been "thoroughly researched and tested" is the audience response to a slogan. The public doesn't even realize that Cain's plan is a tax *increase* on 80% of all American taxpayers.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAn 18% tax on consumption and a 9% income tax would be a tax increase on the majority of the population, starting from the bottom of the income scale up to the third quintile, most likely.
LisaC is mistaken. A 9% business tax applied to "gross sales" would certainly be passed along to the consumer at several points in the production and distribution process. I am sure 90% of those who would see an increase in taxation are citizens. If you are against illegal immigration, then actually elect candidates (unlike Bush, McConnell, etc.) who care about securing the borders. Your favourite globalist neocons won't help you there.
"Shill for the Left"? Cain is an ex-high ranking Fed Reserve bureaucrat. Moving taxation onto consumption, which is practically feudal, is a typical central bankster and IMF policy all over the world. What is right-wing about supporting this crowd and its interests? Historically and currently, the financial establishment is close to liberal internationalism and derives much of its present power from its institutions.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhy are people supporting him? Are they that dumb that they don't see how the poor pay more and the rich pay less.. Those of you who are supporting Cain should have to pay my share, since it is going to go up. You think this is going to help us get the country back on track? Really people ? Wake up!!!
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSeriously? Dollar for dollar, if you pay more tax than the rich, you are not poor. I agree - there dfinitely needs to be some waking up in this country... FAST!
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