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Rick Perry Pushes Their Buttons
The questions put to Governor Perry are political, not scientific.

By Kevin D. Williamson


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Gov. Rick Perry, pressed for his views on evolution, characterized it as “a theory” with “some gaps” in it. He went on to say that, in Texas, both conventional evolution and creationism are taught. He told a boy whose mother asked him about the subject: “In Texas, we teach both creationism and evolution in our public schools — because I figure you’re smart enough to figure out which one is right.”

This is the sort of thing that drives a certain kind of person nuts. Likewise, Perry’s joking about secession after being asked a question about it — and explaining that “when we came into the nation in 1845, we were a republic . . . and one of the deals was, we can leave anytime we want” — has caught on as a kind of shorthand for all of the cultural friction that is going to make Perry a tough sell to suburban moderates.

I’ll get into the question of tossing around these kinds of cultural hand grenades in a second, but first, let me note something that in my view is more important: Neither of Perry’s statements is true. Texas does not, as a matter of statewide policy, teach creationism alongside evolution. The state board of education has rejected creationist materials and adopted a rather conventional curriculum on the subject. And Texas did not retain a legal right to secede from the Union in 1845, though there is a cherished myth to the contrary. Texas’s annexation was a slightly complicated affair: An annexation treaty was proposed, and the secession myth is usually traced back to it. The treaty did not in fact contain such a provision, and, in any case, it was rejected by the U.S. Senate, and Texas was brought into the Union by a joint resolution of Congress (which seems kind of flimsy to me, but it’s worked out alright). Before the governor goes wading into such troubled waters, he ought to be in full command of the facts.

The broader question, however, is: Why would anybody ask a politician about his views on a scientific question? Nobody ever asks what Sarah Palin thinks about dark matter, or what John Boehner thinks about quantum entanglement. (For that matter, I’ve never heard Keith Ellison pressed for his views on evolution.) There are lots of good reasons not to wonder what Rick Perry thinks about scientific questions, foremost amongst them that there are probably fewer than 10,000 people in the United States whose views on disputed questions regarding evolution are worth consulting, and they are not politicians; they are scientists. In reality, of course, the progressive types who want to know politicians’ views on evolution are not asking a scientific question; they are asking a religious and political question, demanding a profession of faith in a particular materialist-secularist worldview.

Take the question of global warming: Jon Huntsman was quick to declare his faith in the scientific consensus on global warming, and Rick Perry has been openly skeptical of it. Again keeping in mind that nobody really ought to care what either Huntsman or Perry thinks about the relevant science, both are making an error, and a grave one, in conceding that the question at hand is scientific at all. It is not; it is political. One might be convinced that anthropogenic global warming is a real and problematic phenomenon, and still not be convinced that the policies being pushed by Al Gore et al. are wise and intelligent. (Some more thoughts on that here.)

Progressives like to cloak their policy preferences in the mantle of science, but they do not in fact give a fig about science, which for them is only a vehicle to be ridden to the precise extent that it is convenient. This is why they will ask what makes Rick Perry qualified to disagree with the scientific establishment, but never ask the equally relevant question of what makes Jon Huntsman qualified to agree with it. So long as they are getting the policies they want, they don’t care. If you want to see how dedicated a progressive is to dispassionate science, spend two minutes talking about the heritability of intelligence. You’ll be up to your neck in witchcraft and superstition and evasion in no time at all. (If you want to test a progressive’s faith in rigorous scholarship more broadly, ask him about gains from trade and comparative advantage, realities that are as solid as anything social science has to offer.)

Perry is making an error by approaching these questions as though they were scientific disputes and not political ones. The real question about global warming isn’t whether one computer simulation or another is the better indicator of what our climate will be like a century hence, it is whether such policies as envisioned by the environmentalist-anti-capitalist green coalition are wise. They are not. Evolution is a public question not because politicians have anything intelligent to say about the science, but because the question provides a handy cudgel to those who wish to beat the Judeo-Christian moral tradition into submission in the service of managerial progressivism. Perry should talk about that, not about alleged “gaps” in the scientific evidence, about which neither he nor his questioners nor the great majority of his critics nor the great majority of his supporters knows the first thing.   

— Kevin D. Williamson is a deputy managing editor of National Review.

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   08/20/11 06:51

I agree. science again is used as a political tool, that may diminish the respondent, but most certainly diminishes the science.

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   08/20/11 07:58

Unless he's running for America's Science Teacher, who cares?

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   08/20/11 08:11

The question on evolution was asked by a little boy, who was being prompted by an adult (probably his mother). I think it was better that Perry try to give the little guy a straight answer rather than to jump into a defense of the Judeo-Christian moral tradition that would have been seen as an evasion. As for whether Texas teaches creationism, I agree that officially it doesn't, but it also doesn't prevent kids and their teachers from discussing it in class. I know my kids have done so, and I appreciate the chance they've had to do that. So I forgive him for not being precisely correct in his description of what Texas teaches. I think his answer was pretty good, and we can be sure this wasn't the last word on the subject for exactly the reasons you've set forth.

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   08/20/11 08:19

You're spot on, Mr. Williamson.

I suspect Mr. Perry will be in dire need of a Klingon batleth to fight off the multitude of cudgel attacks between now and 2012.

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Derek Andersen
   08/20/11 08:21

Well said Kevin. Do you think something like this might be more along the lines of what Perry should be saying:

“There are clear indications from our people who have amazing intellectual capability that this didn’t happen by accident and a creator put this in place. Now, what was his time frame and how did he create the earth that we know? I’m not going to tell you that I’ve got the answers to that. I believe that we were created by this all-powerful supreme being and how we got to today versus what we look like thousands of years ago, I think there’s enough holes in the theory of evolution to, you know, say there are some holes in that theory.”

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   08/20/11 08:38

The reason these questions are planted is simple, to trip up the candidate and thus give the left-literati some justification for hating any given conservative politico.

My lovely sister in law, a 4th grade teacher and practicing Christian, despises Mrs Palin. When asked why she describes Mrs Palin as "ignorant--she believes in creationism".

Don't think for a moment that these slurs stop on the left, they carry over into the general culture. Mr Perry and other conservatives are well advised to point out that neither the governor of Texas nor the POTUS has any role in teaching science to little kids. His views on the curriculum to be taught are moot.

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Rawhide99
   08/21/11 00:50

Actually, one's answer to the evolution question reflects one's worldview . . . and one's worldview is very relevant, in my opinion. Thankfully, a majority of voting Americans do not share Lefties' worldview, even though it is awkward to endure their snickering and attempts at intimidation.

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   08/20/11 08:44

Guys, if he doesn't believe in evolution how will he ever be a good president? I know for a fact that if you don't believe that a billion years ago we were monkeys that your foreign and domestic policies will both be worthless tripe!

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   08/20/11 09:54

A billion years ago only single cell organism existed.Perhaps you were home schooled ?
The idea is that if you are incapable of absorbing 8th grade science then perhaps you will be a poor President. Unreasonable ? See Bush Jr.

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Steven White
   08/20/11 09:29

I weep for the demise of the faithful in this country. The undemonstrable theories of biological evolution are absolutely as unscientific as the notions of man-made global warming. They constitute an assault on human logic.

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   08/20/11 09:50

The last two Presidents to believe the Flintstones is a documentary, not a cartoon , were Mr Carter and Mr Bush Jr. Get it ? If you are so lacking in intelligence and analytic talent so as to hold these beliefs perhaps you are unfit to be President ?
It is going to be hard enough to sell a man that looks and sounds like George Bush JR, the least conservative president of our lifetime and an utter scientific illiterate, , without provoking everyone with an IQ over room temperature over issues of magic. Stay away from this issue.

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   08/20/11 10:05

Perry's not in Kansas -rather Texas- anymore and he needs to realize that his audience is no longer just from Texas.

In addition, being factually incorrect on two rather easy questions makes me wonder what sort of trouble he can potentially get into going forward. Remember, the MSM/DNC and the progressive plants will hound Perry while giving Obama a pass. Actually, they won't just give Obama a pass, they'll actively promote and protect him.

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   08/20/11 11:29

@sawdin - I don't know if I would refer to either of these questions as "rather easy".

I spent a summer in Texas during the mid-80s and I took a tour of the state capitol building in Austin while I was there.

As part of the tour's discussion on the Civil War, the guide mentioned unequivocally that Texas was the only state who had possessed the legal right to secede at that point in history. If the person responsible for the daily tours in the state capitol building doesn't have it right, I'm not sure why you think Perry should.

As for the creationism question, I gathered from Kevin's link on Texas state education policy that this decision may or may not have been the long-standing policy of Texas schools.

As a proponent of Creation over "molecules to man" evolution myself, I don't pay much attention to Indiana state education policy on the subject since I have no "dog in the fight" and there are more important things to track. I don't see why Perry should be up-to-date on the latest ins-and-outs either, but that's my opinion.

It seems to me that this is just more of the progressive/liberal expectation that our political class should be experts on everything. I agree with Kevin that, as a matter of qualifying a candidate, this is pretty weak stuff.

Now if you told me that Perry was shown the data that the "secession story" is a myth or that Texas education policy is not what he said it was and he continues to support those positions ... well, then you might have cause for concern.

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   08/21/11 13:09

See KW's comments above in which he provides two very simple and effective answers to the questions.

PS..As regarding whether Perry should know the 'facts' in question, I think he should. However, he shouldn't be going there, he should answer in a fashion similar to the suggestions of Mr. Williamson: "Not my field, creating an environment in which the American private sector can create jobs for Americans is my field..."

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   08/20/11 10:11

"He went on to say that, in Texas, both conventional evolution and creationism are taught."
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Therein lies a problem. Creationism is not taught in public schools in Texas- only evolution.
Perry's belief trumped reality.

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OpiumIntellectual
   08/20/11 10:17

Written well, and then some.

Any liberal blog reveals the acts of faith offered.

In the Keynes/Hayek area of argumentation it inevitably devolves in this manner: "yes, I'm not sure I'd call it the 'pretense of knowledge' but what we think we know may not be so, yet we absolutely need to do something."

The same is true for Global Warming: "Doing nothing is inarguably the same as advancing the non-plan of the know-nothings and risking we know not what."

It's the reason "I was wrong" becomes an impossible declaration.

What I try to do to educate myself is to stay clear of popularizers and cheap punditry, and attempt to find lucid writers who have no political axe to grind. It's nearly impossible, so I remain agnostic.

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   08/20/11 10:35

The question on evolution was asked by a little boy, who was being prompted by an adult (probably his mother). It was probably for the best that Perry gave a straight answer (rather than questioning the boy's commitment to the Judeo-Christian moral tradition). Any other answer would have been seen as an evasion or worse. As for the accuracy of the answer, it's true that Texas doesn't "teach" creationism. But we do permit it to be discussed in class, and I'm glad that my kids have the freedom to do so. Anyway, this won't be Perry's last word on the subject for exactly the reasons you set forth.

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Fight On!
   08/20/11 11:05

I would like to see the scientific evidence that belief in evolution makes you a more effective leader, person, manager, executive, creditor, employee, etc., etc.

Please provide the empirical evidence that unquestioning belief in evolution improves wisdom, judgment, and decision making.

Please provide the empirical evidence that faith in evolution adds value, increases happiness, improves character, etc.

Please provide the empirical evidence, the science, the data that suggests the belief system in evolution somehow is relevant to everyday life, decision-making, work ethic, good choices, the pursuit of happiness, liberty, and freedom.

The belief that complex orderly diversified life originated from a random set of accidental causes baffles me.

Sorry, but belief in evolution simply does not pass the "eye-ball" test. Normal life and my surroundings look like hard work, design, intelligence, effort, purpose, intention, thought, forward-thinking, etc. is how reality works.

Reality does not work by some random accidental mutations.

There is simply zero, nada, no value in a belief system in evolution. It simply does not explain nor models how the average human being navigates through life.

Belief in evolution may be true. But it is worthless and irrelevant to everyday life.

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Fight On!
   08/20/11 11:32

I love to ask these questions to hard-core (i.e. those who believe in "zero outside influence, and reliance on random accidental mutations over a long period of time producing ever increasing complexity and order") believers in evolution:

1) Please describe to me how you apply your belief in evolution to everyday life?

2) How do you apply your knowledge of evolution in your relationships, decisions, and work?

3) How does this body of knowledge help you to explain current space and time realities?

4) Give me some examples of how you applied this body of knowledge in the last 48 hours of your life?

The answers are comical. And there's really no reason to debate. Just let them talk, talk, talk....quite entertaining. And no answer is the same with another person. There's just no consistency or clarity. It's hilarious.

At the end, just say "Cool. Glad evolution has added so much value to your life."

As for me, "I'm not relying on random accidental mutations to put a meal on my table or provide for my retirement or raise my kids to be good people. Nope, that's not my cup of tea!"

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   08/20/11 11:41

I figured that the "reply to comment" wasn't going to work. =)

Meanwhile ... has anyone ever noticed besides me that people always use the word "believe" (even the mom in the video) when talking about "molecules to man" evolution and their idea of what science is.

Look - either you accept the validity of a theory based on the empirical evidence provided or you reject that theory based on the same. In science, you do not "believe" a theory is true or not.

You can believe in the philosophies of naturalism and / or materialism, but you don't "believe" in the practical application of a technical doctrine.

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