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Cain on China: A Gaffe?
He discusses China’s nuclear capability.

By Patrick Brennan


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Herman Cain appears to have made another foreign-policy gaffe in an interview with PBS’s NewsHour on Monday. He claimed: “[The Chinese] are trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.”

While Cain is of course correct to state that China is a military threat (in the sense that our military is no longer totally dominant in east Asia), his two specific comments on China’s assets suggest a somewhat inaccurate understanding of the issue.

The phrase “nuclear capability,” applied to a nation, refers to its military’s possession of nuclear weapons. In that sense, China is certainly not “developing nuclear capability”: The People’s Republic of China has been a nuclear power since the 1960s — detonating its first nuclear test in 1964, and signing the Non-Proliferation Treaty as a “nuclear weapons state” in 1968.

However, tonight on Fox News, Cain’s chief of staff, Mark Block, explained that Cain was, in an inelegant formulation, referring to “the nuclear capability China is getting for their submarines and aircraft carriers.” But this clarification doesn’t do much to help Cain: China launched its first nuclear submarine, part of the Han-class of attack boats, in 1974. In 2004, it launched its class of nuclear-powered ballistic-missile subs, which are capable of launching the strategic nuclear weapons China already had.

Moreover, Cain erred in saying that China is developing “more carriers like we have”: The Chinese navy currently has no carriers, except for an essentially unarmed rusting hulk, the Varyag, purchased from Russia and now on sea trials for training purposes. China is starting to develop aircraft carriers, but, at first, they will be conventionally powered, not nuclear, ships. This is according to the Chinese themselves: They are planning to build two 50–60,000-ton mid-sized aircraft carriers, similar to the Queen Elizabeth–class carriers that the United Kingdom is currently developing, with nuclear- powered ships possibly to come later. Nuclear aircraft carriers would, unlike the production of more nuclear submarines (on which the intelligence remains murky), be a big step for China toward a blue-water navy, meaning one with an independent global range. A nuclear-powered Chinese carrier would be extremely worrisome, but it is not a near-term possibility for China, the rest of whose navy is nowhere near blue-water capability.

Cain would be right to believe that even a conventional Chinese aircraft carrier would be an important development in our security relationship with China: China’s only genuine overseas security threat, as it stands now, is Taiwan, which lies just over a hundred miles offshore. Developing aircraft carriers will give China offensive naval capabilities that its conflict with Taiwan does not justify, though its lack of nuclear carriers and overseas bases would geographically limit that influence to east and south Asia.

Cain deserves some credit for addressing his critics and offering a substantive answer about China as a security threat, confirming reports that he has been cramming on foreign policy, but he still wasn’t completely coherent or informed. Unfortunately, the fact that his campaign manager offered an inaccurate clarification also indicates that the foreign-policy team surrounding him may still be weak, despite his own growing knowledge. He may or may not, in this campaign, have time to integrate his crash courses in foreign policy into a coherent message about America’s global role.

— Patrick Brennan is a 2011 William F. Buckley Fellow.

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   11/03/11 06:11

Cain ain't able. Like his role model Barack Obama he is a divider not uniter and mud slinger (slurring Perry as a racist and erroneously accusing the Perry campaign without proof of leaking the story about his sexual peccadilloes), but being a Bill Clinton voter may have colored Cain’s knowledge of foreign policy, how to treat women or tell the truth.

Cain needs to let the women speak and quit hiding from the truth. What does he have to hide? He's supposedly not a Democrat, but he sure acts like with playing the race card and whining when he's not treated with the respect the neo-messiah thinks appropriate.

If he was an honorable person he'd apologize for his smears of Perry, but it is clear the neo-messiah is a petty little hypocrite.

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   11/03/11 14:02

Cain is an unrepentant and serial Perry smearer.
On Sunday October 2, after the WaPo story
broke
on the rock, in multiple appearances , Cain called Perry
insensitive to blacks
and claimed that Perry had left the rock in place
for a long time.
Claims that the Perry campaign had repeatedly denied earlier in the day, but, that didn't stop
Cain on his day long Perry smearathon.
When confronted on Monday Oct 3 about charges
that he played the race card
against Perry, Cain got testy with the media,
denied he had said negative things about Perry
and then declared the subject closed.
Cain believed the media story and not Perry's denials.
What a hypocrite.
Could Cain have planted that story ?
Cain profusely apologized to the Muslim community
for making insensitive remarks, but,
he never apologized to Perry
for his drive by smear.
And now this latest smear that Rick Perry
conspired with Rahm Emanuel to
reveal parts of Cain's past.
Cain is a recent convert to the Republican Party ,
he is obviously unaware of Reagan's Eleventh Commandment.

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   11/03/11 08:17

"Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, these countries are tiny"

Now that is a gaffe, but it didn't seem to hurt candidate Obama.

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   11/03/11 09:14
 Tom
   11/03/11 10:34

Iran's GDP is in no way tiny. Using GDP as measured by PPP Iran ranks 20th in the world.

Cain's gaffe on China was far worse though.

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   11/03/11 11:26

Please explain how saying "China is developing nuclear weapons", when in fact, China is developing nuclear weapons, is a gaffe, let alone a "far worse" one.

Last time I checked, nuclear carriers and nuclear submarines counted as nuclear weapons.

Are you trying to say that China is NOT developing nuclear weapons? That would be welcome news, except, uh, they are developing nuclear carriers and submarines.

The word "develop" means "improve", as in "maybe some of us need to develop our language skills".

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 Tom
   11/03/11 17:18

Um, China already has nuclear subs, they have for years. And no, they are not developing nuclear aircraft carriers. They are attempting to develop moderately sized conventionally powered aircraft carriers.

The reason it is worse is because under any common understanding of the phrase most people are going to think he meant China has no nukes and are seeking them.

Obama's gaffe is 2/3's true, the only country of the 3 that has any importance is Iran. It is a sizable nation with a large economy.

Maybe you should develop just a slight sense of decorum. And after that an understanding of the current state of the Chinese military.

This is what Cain said "They've indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat."

The fact is China has had nuclear capability, as commonly defined, for decades and does not have any aircraft carriers at all, nuclear or otherwise. So we have these possibilities:

1) He did not know China had nuclear capability and was using develop the mean the same thing, to bring into being, for both nuclear capability and aircraft carriers.

2) He knew China had nuclear capability but thought China also had aircraft carriers and was using develop to mean the same thing, to grow or expand, for both nuclear capability and aircraft carriers.

3) He knew China had nuclear capability and no aircraft carriers and was using develop in two different ways in the same sentence. This is amazingly clumsy, misleading, and awful construction.

Heck, even Cain admits he mispoke.

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Weston B
   11/03/11 11:42

Yeah, but Obama is a Democrat. They get away with gaffes.

Let's not forget about his comment about visiting "all 57 states."

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   11/03/11 08:37

Ahem. Do you have any idea what Cain did while working for the Navy? Clue: it involved "DongFeng" missiles.

I realize you just graduated in Classics at Harvard so your knowledge of defense tech may be limited, but, your degree should have equipped you to parse an English sentence in a less deliberately obtuse way.

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   11/03/11 09:15

Reason #63 why Obama wants to run against Cain.

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   11/03/11 09:32

This is my single biggest reason for not wanting Cain as our GOP candidate. I'd take him if I had to, but I prefer Perry.

We live in an ever increasingly dangerous world and our next President will have to have a good balance of judgement and wisdom regarding our military power. We've engaged oversees for two long and I feel its time we came home, licked our wounds and regrouped. Sure, we need an oversees prescence, but we also need to revive our nearly comatose economy and way of life. That could happen in full with the next Presidency and thats why I feel its important we put the right people (president and congress) in place to make the necessary changes to first undo the Obama stain and to redirect the country back toward profit.

We can do all this if we shrink, not grow our government. Did you catch Perry's interview on Hannity? He said numerous times he was bringing a wrecking ball to Washington. I yearn for that and I know many of the readers here do to. Rather than try to sustain a bloated government on more money (ala 9-9-9) we need to be tearing this monstrosity down one czar/department at a time.

God Bless Texas
Perry 2012

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WWTJDO
   11/03/11 10:29

Everyone keeps talking about the economy & big government. They are very important issues regarding our way of live & liberty. But the #1 job of the President of the U.S. is & always must be..is the security of our country. We were attacked by a group of maggots wearing dirty t-shirts on their heads with our own planes. What the hell do you all think would happened if we were attacked by a military nation with the capabilities similar to ours? China remains the biggest threat in the world to FREEDOM...For thousands of years their main goal has been world domination...they have a country with 1.4 Billion people & are creating the worlds largest army ever. They will stop at nothing to get what they want, any way they want. H Cain is clueless on foreign issues. We have seen first hand what inexperience does to our country around the world. I.E President Obama. He too is clueless in the ways of dealing with foreign countries. As the great Thomas Jefferson said.."The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" As for Perry, he should have stayed in Texas. Only N Gingrich has the knowledge to deal with our adversaries. But people will not vote for him because of his perssonal troubles. M Rommney wants to be President at any cost. The rest of the group aren't worth squat. We need a JFK ,Winston Churchill, Golda Meir, or a Margaret Thatcher to lead us & deal with our adversaries.

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   11/03/11 10:37

This is a pretty bad article, unworthy of NRO. I'm surprised the editors let it pass.

"The phrase “nuclear capability,” applied to a nation, refers to its military’s possession of nuclear weapons."

I'm not seeing. The entire sentence here refers to China's carrier capability. A more correct interpretation would be the Chinese "are trying to develop nuclear carrier capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have."

"Moreover, Cain erred in saying that China is developing “more carriers like we have..."

He did not say that. He said they WANT to develop more carriers like we have. Re-read your own first paragraph.

"The Chinese navy currently has no carriers, except for an essentially unarmed rusting hulk, the Varyag, purchased from Russia and now on sea trials for training purposes."

Really? Follow this link and look at the picture of the Varyag. The term unarmed rusting hulk doesn't immediately spring to mind. I'm sure the US Navy isn't dismissing the Varyag as an unarmed rusting hulk. External Link 

NRO usually is in the business of exposing hack hit pieces. Jonah, how did you miss this one?

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   11/03/11 11:16

Cain has serious weaknesses, but the idea that this is a gaffe is just ridiculous. Go after him for real things and stop acting like a bunch of idiot liberals.

When a country is trying to build nuclear submarines and carriers, it is developing nuclear arms. Period. Makes no difference that it already had some other nuclear weapons.

You are assuming that the word "develop" can only mean "create". It also means, and much more commonly means, "improve", as in, "the pianist is developing his talent".

Just as a person can hold a job and still say "I am trying to find a job".

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   11/03/11 14:11
   11/03/11 11:33

Fellow NR readers, when reading these comments, keep in mind that the NRO site has recently been massively infiltrated by lefty commenters who do not self-identify.

Cain can and should be criticized, as should all the candidates, but the tone around here is becoming very Michael Moore-ish in the sophomoric, wise-cracking, selective interpretation of words with multiple meanings.

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   11/03/11 12:41

".....massively infiltrated...."????? You mean like folks clicking on a well-known website and reading the articles and commentary? And then taking the time to write their own comments? Comments that show sophomoric humor? And those insidious commenters don't take the trouble to self-identify so you can tell which side of the political spectrum they are challenging you from?

My god man, you have spotted a conspiracy! It looks like we are right smack in the middle of a Free Speech place! Chock filled with a whole lot of people with......OPINIONS! Cover your eyes with the Bible and run!

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   11/03/11 13:01

The liberal creed is "I fight for my freedom of speech so I can take yours away".

I was warning conservative readers to avoid taking the bait posted by lefties posing as Cainiacs or Perryites, or Bachmanites, etc., in order to encourage conservatives to start hating each other in a self-destructive way, so that in the end we are all so embittered that we refuse to support anybody. It is not a conspiracy, it is just what lefties do. They are the brats who knock over other kids' stacks of blocks but can't build their own.

Beware not to let yourself get upset by remarks made by incendiary poseurs.

You gave yourself away with the gratuitous and irrelevant "Bible" remark.

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   11/03/11 13:20

Ah, you old bloodhound you, you sniffed me out, a common infiltrator winging it with those opinions that might sometimes be a little left of yours.

It's readers like you, willing to take the time to warn other readers that some of them might be liberals posing as conservatives posing as libertarian utopians that make it possible for us all to not regret having read you half as much nor pondered your points twice as often as we might otherwise have chosen to refuse to do so.
Well done!
I think you might be too late, though. This website is obviously a clearinghouse of opinion of all stripes and, sadly, seems to thrive- on lively debate. I just don't think you will be able to impose uniformity of ideology here. We may have to go to a last resort and actually think through these issues rather than rely on labels and slogans. Be strong.

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hiltonsgnlvr
   11/03/11 12:55

Tinsmith, you draw the same conclusions I have about NRO. It's getting to be harder all the time distinguishing NRO from POLITICO. I often have to scroll up to see which rag I'm reading. I'm going to Drudge and CNS. I don't need another leftist's view, I get plenty of that out of the lame-stream media.

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