A few words on last night’s presidential debate in Arizona — four men vying for the Republican nomination.
As he walks out onto the stage, Newt manages to seem both dorky and gladiatorial. Kind of an amazing combo.
Mitt, as he walks, has a bit of a mince.
Ron Paul has just a hint of Monty Burns, as he walks. Tough old bird, though (Paul).
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An Arizona State chorale sings the national anthem. Not bad, but something tells me the ASU golf team is much better.
The candidates are sitting down, rather than standing. Usually contributes to a more relaxed exchange.
Santorum makes a nice, crisp opening statement — a winner of a statement.
Did Romney really refer to a character on the Seinfeld show? To George Costanza?
Newt just slays me with, “And I’ve developed a program for American energy so no future president will ever bow to a Saudi king again . . .”
Brilliant. Actually, the bow to the Saudi king was the least bad of the three bows. The worst was the bow to the PRC premier, and the second worst was the bow to the emperor of Japan (the first for moral reasons, the second for historical reasons).
A man named Gilbert Fidler (I believe), from Gilbert, Ariz., asks the first question. Gilbert from Gilbert!
Santorum calls him “Gilbert” — and the man is considerably older than he. I don’t like that, particularly. But it’s modern, I understand.
Santorum: “When I was born, less than 10 percent of the federal budget was entitlement spending. It’s now 60 percent of the budget. Some people have suggested that defense spending is the problem. When I was born, defense spending was 60 percent of the budget. It’s now 17 percent.”
Nicely put forth.
Romney calls Gilbert Gilbert too. Oh, well.
Some people don’t like it when Mitt runs “autobiographically” — when he cites his background, in the various spheres. I think the autobiographical stuff fits nicely with the policy stuff — and that he should keep doing it.
Says Romney, “Government servants shouldn’t get paid more than the people who are paying taxes.” Is the implication that government workers don’t pay taxes? If so, not real cool.
Looks like Rick’s trying to behave, not be peevish: no eye rolls, no sighs, no clucks, no head shakes so far.
Speaking of peevishness, let me mention one of my grammatical peeves: Rick says, “I wish I wouldn’t have voted for No Child Left Behind.” About 15 years ago, people stopped saying (for example), “I wish I hadn’t voted for . . .” I don’t know why. A real puzzler.
The moderator, John King, calls Gilbert Gilbert too.
So does Newt. The man is “Gilbert” all around.
Newt continues to talk intelligently about energy, and I think the Republican field at large has too. I think this is a consensus position for Republicans: the “all of the above” position on energy (i.e., let’s get energy from all sources available).
I especially liked a phrase of Michele Bachmann’s: that it’s time to “legalize American energy.” One of the best bits of rhetoric in the entire campaign.
When someone else is speaking, Romney looks intently at him. I don’t know whether I could do this. Don’t know whether it’s natural to Romney or something cultivated.
I wonder if libertarians, in their hearts, wish they were represented by someone other than Congressman Paul. The libertarian case, across the board, can be made better. Although Paul has that pluck.
I suppose the other candidates don’t feel it’s a wise use of time to explain to Paul, and to the audience, how foreign aid can be in the American interest. (Foreign aid can be dumb and counterproductive too, of course. It depends.)
Santorum sort of lectures Paul about “Pennsylvania folks.” Which is fine. But I’m thinking, “Paul started out as a Pennsylvania folk.”
People for whom Romney can do no right howled and scoffed at a phrase he applied to himself: “severely conservative.” I’m glad John King gives him a chance to explain what he meant. I always thought the phrase was perfectly clear, if unconventional.
(Remember when Nixon said, “Let me be perfectly clear . . .”?) (Another great one was, “Let me say this about that.” I think that was Nixon, too.)
UPDATE/CORRECTION: Readers have pointed out, “That was JFK!” (“Let me say this about that.”) Quite right.
Newt knows how to campaign: Before this Arizona audience, he says, in essence, “The Obama administration should stop picking on Arizona.” Odd the other candidates don’t do the same.
Santorum says “radical Islamists.” People are always doing that, to cover themselves. But really, it’s “radical Muslims” or “Islamists.” All Islamists are radical. But people can’t bring themselves to say “radical Muslims.” So . . .
Saying “radical Islamists” is like saying “fat obese people.”
Rick on earmarks. Very good. Clear and correct. Appropriators should have a say about where appropriations go, right? And if we don’t like it, we can vote ’em out.
Mitt shouldn’t get into the weeds on this earmark stuff. Looks petty. We have huge fish to fry in this country — fundamental choices. Two paths (social democracy, basically, or the old Republic).
Oops, there’s a move from Santorum’s repertoire of juvenile moves: open-mouthed incredulity. He looks like an adolescent or a cartoon character — or an adolescent cartoon character.
Did I want to jump up and down when Mr. Romney uttered these words? You bet I did. But you're correct.......should have been 'people who pay their salaries'.
But no mainstreammedia nudnik will pick up on this important statement...or on Newt's challenge to streamline and/or 'do away' with the 130-year-old civil service historical - read hysterical - behemoth.
Watch the fireworks if these sentiments are voiced again. Now we're talkin'.
Jay, I believe I am allowed to call you "Jay" as no one is older than I, it could be that some of last night’s participants were referring to Mr. Fidler as “Gilbert” in the sense of “da Gilbert;” rather elegant, if true.
' “Government servants shouldn’t get paid more than the people who are paying taxes.” Is the implication that government workers don’t pay taxes? -
Jay, you must've missed Veronique's Corner post yesterday... External Link
As "obesity" can be defined by exceeding a particular BMI threshold, I think it is entirely fair to say "fat obese people", as one could instead be a "muscular obese person".
It's a common criticism of obesity studies that rely heavily on BMI, that the statistic is too broad and fails to differentiate between fat people and muscular people. It's definitely a stat that is more useful when applied to populations than to individuals.
Mesa was considered a Mormon stronghold when I was growing up in Arizona 40+ years ago; the audience support for Mitt indicates to me that the demographics there haven't changed much.
This was the first time in a great while that I've watched CNN for more than a few seconds (probably since the first Gulf War). Do they always ramp up the volume during the commercials and for their intro music? It grated.
Rep. Paul was sharp and almost lovable as long as the discussion centered on domestic affairs and especially the economy, but the moment the talk moved outside America's borders, all I could hear was the 'Looney Tunes' theme while his lips were moving.
I believe that he served overseas in the military when he was a young doctor so I am mystified that he failed to notice that the people in other countries have different government systems and cultures--they aren't like us, many of them don't like us because of who and what we are and they often flat out hate us because of who and what they are NOT. He also tends to conflate peoples and their governments even when the rulers of a given country are clearly self-selected despots, which is disturbing when we are talking about countries like Iran and North Korea.
Paul has a world view more suited to the 1930s, when we thought that the Atlantic and Pacific oceans were our moats and we could retreat behind them when the rest of the world was getting too troublesome. It ain't like that anymore Ron; we learned in 1941-42 that it wasn't like that, and the world's reach onto our shores has gotten progressively longer and deeper ever since. Unless we all go back to the agricultural society of the late 1800s, we are going to be a Player in world affairs.
The mischievous side of me would love to see Dr. Paul appointed Treasurer in a Romney or Santorum Administration, but ...
1) I think Romney and Santorum appeared petty when they dug at each other for choices made in the legislative process. There's give and take -- sausage making, and all that -- so trying to paint one another as lacking conservative credentials based on a vote here or decision there, made in the heat of policymaking, just makes them both look bad.
2) The attack on Romney for supporting TARP while opposing the auto bailouts was weak, odd. To suggest that the auto industry and the banking industry are equal somehow, and that if you bail out one, you do likewise to the other -- otherwise, you're inconsistent -- is tremendously simplistic.
3) The "Pick a word to describe yourself" question was worthy of a kindergarten exercise, not a presidential debate.
4) Mitt could've handled the last question better. He could have said just what he wanted to say merely by tangentially referencing the question. The moderator was ungracious by pointing out that he hadn't answered his question (which was patently obvious,) but Romney sounded irritable in his rebuttal that he'd answer however he wished -- the old "You're not the boss of me" retort.
To respond to your musing on libertarians wishing they had a better representative than Paul; yes, desperately, at least this one. As I suggested to Jonah in an earlier missive, the real "non-x" small government types are looking for is a non-Paul, not a non-Romney.
Everyone on that stage is happy with big government, as long as they run it.
"If I were Mitt — I’m serious about this — I might pledge, right now, to use both Santorum and Newt in my administration."
I hope so! When Newt is good, he's absolutely fantastic! While I have serious doubts that he's qualified to be president, I'd sure hate to see him go away entirely. He's been the best thing about these debates.
This debate reinforced several things:
- Paul's foreign policy disqualifies him no matter how cute his presentation style
- Santorum's meager accomplishments pale in comparison to Mitt's and Newt's
- Romney will never propose pro-growth tax-reform on a meaningful scale--his new plan leaves in place the imbalances and subsidies that misdirect capital flows and drive leveraged buyouts....hmmm
- Gingrich is the only person on the stage who has conceived and executed political victory on a national scale, participated directly in pro-growth tax reform, balanced the budget for the first time in decades, achieved significant welfare reform with a democrat President and yes, speaks more intelligently than anyone on the stage despite having a gait exactly like Sidney Greenstreet's in "The Maltese Falcon"
"Says Romney, “Government servants shouldn’t get paid more than the people who are paying taxes.” Is the implication that government workers don’t pay taxes? If so, not real cool.
So, the government has a big pile of money that taxpayers pay into which it uses to pay all its bills. One of the bills is salary for government servants. Government servants, being taxpayers, are also paying into the big pile of money... from which their salaries are paid.
As for debates, I say enough. We are not nominating the captain of the debate team.
A rational argument may be made that Newt owes his survival to this point to his superb debating skills. And that Rick Santorum would not have become, almost by default, the "not-Romney" once the gloss of Newt's debate performances paled in the glare of his foolish pronouncements and the weight of his personal baggage.
It isn't too hard to imagine that, absent these debates, right now we might be having primary contests between front runners Rick Perry and Mitt Romney.