For those who are worried about Pat Toomey’s sudden slip in the polls in Pennsylvania — and I was among them — you’ll want to read this analysis from “Number Cruncher,” a finance/political junkie who spends even more time breaking down polls than I do.
Your readers should calm down. This race isn’t that close, or even closing. The only thing closing is the pollsters’ prediction of who to consider a likely voter. Looking at the Quinnipiac results, I find them very encouraging for Toomey, specifically among Independents. Taking the Quinnipiac crosstabs and applying 2004, 2006, 2008, and my predicted 2010 Likely voter model, the results are as follows:
2004: The last good GOP year, Pennsylvania exit poll crosstabs came in with party ID at 41 percent Democrat, 39 percent Republican, 20 percent Independent. If you apply this breakdown to Quinnipiac’s sense of how each group is voting, it results in a 2.1 percent Toomey win. This year is the most likely turnout comparable to use based on history only, and one I believe understates GOP support in general.
I think Quinnipiac is using something akin to this year as their turnout mode, but 2004 has me scratching my head, namely the 41 percent Democrat party ID support.
It was a very good year for the GOP, yet if you look at party splits we see only a 2 percent upward tick for Democrats in the 2006 exit polls, when the Democrats had a landslide election — in this election Santorum lost by 18 points!.
This is the danger of comparing Presidential and Mid-term elections. A plausible explanation of this can be found in this study from Univ. of PA The exit poll Bush support versus actual support hurt Bush by 6.5 percent. In other words, this year’s exit poll party ID is likely off base.
In fairness to the exits on CNN, they appear to have been adjusted somewhat (they all seem to tie out to the actual results), but I recall as the article study does there might be problems.
Simply stated: How does Specter win by 9 percent in 2004 and Santorum lose by 18 percent in 2006, where the electorate only turned out 2 percent more Democrats? The answer something is wrong — a 2 point party split does not make up 27 percent points, not with a candidate like Santorum who did not have any significant ethics problems. So while I won’t fault Quinnipiac for targeting 2004 as a sanity check, it’s the best one historically, it is nevertheless a problematic data point.
So let us take a few breaths and look at the worst case scenarios for Toomey — applying 2006 and 2008.
2006: Assuming a 2006 turnout percentage — the last big Democrat midterm year, with 43 percent Democrat, 38 percent Republican, 19 percent independent — the race is a dead heat, with Toomey trailing by only 0.6 percent under Quinnipiac’s cross-tabs.
This is fatal news for Sestak! When applying the Quinnipiac cross-tabs for the biggest Democrat midterm election since 1974, yields at best a .6% win for Sestak . . . Can we stop worrying?
2008: So then we look at the biggest Democratic Presidential year since 1964. Cross tabs came in with party ID at 44 percent Democrat, 37 percent Republican, 17 percent Independent.
To believe the race could duplicate this is to say you need to be smoking peyote. Assuming this turnout, including historic Philadelphia turnout . . . at best puts this still a dead heat, with Toomey trailing by just 1.4 percent.
So where is this race really at? Follow me.
Scenario One: Presume Pennsylvania’s turnout will be 36.5 percent Democrat, 37 percent Republican, 24.5 percent Independent. Applying these targets to Quinnipiac’s split yields a pretty easy to call 52.6 percent to 46.9 percent, or 5.7 point victory for Toomey. The way I came up with my splits is to take the 2008 Rate 44-37-17, and adjust based on Rasmussen’s summary of Party Affiliation percentage change in Nov 2008 versus Sept 2010.
Scenario Two: The problem with Scenario One is that while I capture the change of party affiliation, I assume a presidential year base model rather than a mid-term election. In a midterm turnout will be lower — 50 to 70% of a presidential year, which means only the more enthusiastic voters will turn out. Some expect this to be anywhere from 3 to 7 points — overall advantage to the GOP. My model takes a more conservative view with the Dems falling to 34 percent, the GOP up to 38 percent, and Independents to 28 percent. This gives Toomey a very comfortable 9 point win (and is consistent with many polls, with the same cross-tabs as Qunnipiac and PPP).
Scenario Three: But there is another problem with this assumption, which is the Tea Party as an affiliation. As noted, the GOP support has gone down since 2008. How is this possible? The emergence of the Tea Party. Tea Party Independents are going to vote and to be blunt, they will not be voting Democrat. Many of these voters also will not be telling any pollster they “are” Republicans. Going with a cruder model, but one that tries to capture the Tea Party, using flimsy data and guess-timates, I believe the Electorate in Pennsylvania is 34 percent Republican, 37 percent Democrat, 19 percent Tea Party-Independent, and 10 percent Moderate-Independent. Applying the Quinnipiac cross tabs where Republican and Tea Party have the same levels of support for Toomey, and where Moderate-Independents favor Sestak 53 percent to 47 percent yields . . . a 12 point Toomey win.
Thus I believe the margin race will end up between 9.1% and 12%, which is to say I will go out on a limb by taking the midpoint, and predicting Toomey beats Sestak by 10.5 percent.
Bottom line: nothing has changed with this race other than the pollsters’ predicted turnout models.
Separately, a few weeks ago Number Cruncher offered to bet a Ruth’s Chris steak dinner that Tom Tancredo would be the next governor of Colorado. I took the bet, and now I’m starting to worry I’m going to be paying for a filet mignon.
Even if you will be buying him a steak, you nor CO residents lose.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI am not worried about Toomey at all. Same story with Buck, Angle and Miller. The only "close" senate races will be CA, CT and WA, but I think the GOP will prevail in all three. I think DE will be much closer than conventional wisdom as well.
And Tancredo will win CO as long as Maes gets 10% or less. Hickenlooper will not get above 45%, so the only question is whether enough conservatives realize that Maes is a wasted vote in time. The trend is definitely in Tancredo's favor, but early voting might be an issue.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseLooking at all the Senate races in Dem leaning states, are there any where the Republican candidate is showing momentum and surging in the polls? It sure looks like the GOP is losing ground in places like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. I realize there's ebb and flow to political races, but nothing seems to be breaking the GOP's way in the Senate.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAlso Rasmussen still has PA listed as "solid Gop". People, ask yourselves what has changed in the race? The economy in PA stinks still, Obama, Pelosi, and all D's are even more unpopular. D comgressmen are going down all over PA Nov 2, the R gov is a landslide, etc. But Sestak is going to take Toomey out. Sure. Toomey's day is still Nov 2.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseLook at scenario 3: for all likely voters statewide, tea-party independent goes from zero to 19% in TWO YEARS!
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI'd bet a Ruth's Chris dinner there's been nothing since the civil war that altered the electorate's alignment so substantially in so little time.
Hoover,
Rasmussen hasn't polled the PA race this week. His last result is obviously now out of date and inaccurate. In fact, where are new polls (from anyone) in WA, WI, CO, NV, CT and DE?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMaybe I am missing something, but there seems to be a few "unexplainable" numbers within the analysis above. I would assume that a sizeable majority of "tea party" affiliated voters were once Republicans. The model only seems to attribute a small percentage to the GOP defection to the Tea Party. I would assume a higher rate than a ~4 to 5% movement - more like 8-9% shift. In addition, it assumes a high percentage of tea partiers come from independent ranks. This is probably somewhat true, but the percent assigned seems very, very high. Of the 28% of independents in scenario 2, ~19% are tea partiers? Seems quite unlikely in PA.
That being said, I agree with most of the arguments above. I do believe the margin of victory will not be nearly as large as stated above, though. Me thinks it will be closer to 5-6% for Toomey, which still equates to a great win in a purple state.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAnother Senate race goes south for the GOP. A new Suffolk University poll has Blumenthal ahead of McMahon by EIGHTEEN POINTS 57%-39%. Sorry, but this wave has crested and is receding.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseJust to respond to mypalfish-- Don't lose heart! The reason many of these Senate candidates have seen their leads "decrease" is simply because they had such huge leads in the first place, due to the enthusiasm generated by their campaigns. For example, the excitement over Ron Johnson allowed him to gallop to a large lead over Feingold, but Feingold does have some built-in advantages as an incumbent. This guarantees the race will at least look closer than it did a month or two ago. Further, as some of these races have shown "bad" results, others (ie, WA, CA, CT, and WV) have gotten better, so at worst it's a wash. Toomey is going to win on November 2nd.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAs we get closer to election day, it's clear that some pollsters are manipulating their polling samples to get specific results. Rely on the pollsters you know you can trust because in the past their polling results leading up to election day closely match the actual election results. Although Rasmussen is often criticized because Scott Rasmussen is a Republican, you can't criticize his organization's consistently accurate polling results.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseTaking it even further, this is what the numbers say:
Democrats -- Sestak 89-7
Republicans -- Toomey 88-8
Independents -- Toomey 56-35
So we're saying that the number of Democrats would have to be more than the Republicans plus the Independents in order for Sestak to win.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThere is some kind of disconnect between GOP House candidates, who are getting some encouraging poll numbers and Senate candidates, who are dying. This site should really try to analyze the situation, imo.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThis is the time in the cycle when some of the pollsters start factoring in the fraudulent dead Democrat votes that will be cast in Philadelphia for the Democrat candidates to win. If Toomey isn't up by at least 5 pts. on election day (maybe more this year,) he doesn't have a prayer IMO.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAnybody know if mypalfish is the username of John Derbyshire? His pessimism is bumming me out.
Anyway, what a lot of people seem to be losing sight of is the fact that there were only 16 Democrats up for election this year. The fact that we're all but certainly going to pick up a quarter of those, with the chance of winning half or more, should be fantastic news.
In 2012, we'll have 23 targets to choose from. If we do half as well in 2012 as we're looking to do this year, we take back the Senate easily. All the normal caveats apply, of course, but the future is looking much brighter than anyone could've possibly thought, say, in January of last year.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSomething that people need to pay attention to is the polling of the PA governor's race, which is the other top-of-the-ballot race in the state. Republican Tom Corbett has always had a larger lead over Democrat Dan Onorato in the PA governor's race, than Toomey had over Sestak in the PA Senate race. But Corbett's and Toomey's poll numbers tended to travel fluctuate together. Unlike Ohio, there was no major difference between the polling Toomey got and the polling Corbett got. There are not a lot of PA voters who are going to vote for Sestak for senator, then go vote for Corbett for governor, just as Toomey voters are not going to vote for Onorato.
So...If Toomey has taken a major hit and trails Sestak in the polls, Corbett should have seen a significant drop in his poll numbers similar in magnitude to the Senate race. He would not be trailing Onorato, but it would make people worried. If the polls do say that, it will say something about the election. If the polls has Corbett at or near his current lead over Onorato, it will say something about the polls.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse(responding to mypalfish at 14:54) The disconnect between the House and Senate pictures is obvious: The Dem base in the cities is waking up. Those Dems are in Dem-safe House districts, but they could be enough to settle close statewide races for Sen and Gov in states with big urban centers (including PA, also CA, CT, IL and maybe OH). What the media hasn't told you is the push to get the base out doesn't help the Dems much in competitive House races. Outside the cities, the Dems are getting punished by swing independent voters. It might be argued that this election could be the first shot in a long term demographic civil war between the cities and the suburbs, with the cities holding a Senate veto over the rest of the country in the House.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI was worried and now I'm not worried.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIn California we have Fiorina vs. Boxer, supposedly locked in a dead heat. I think that this race will break the same way, with a comfortable win by Fiorina.
Between now and Election day there will be polls that are encouraging and polls that are discouraging. Try not to let either type of poll get to you.
Instead of feeling bad, donate to the candidate you are concerned about. Volunteer if you can.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse@mypalfish Don't trust every poll. Remember the Christie whooping of Corzine? Here's what Suffolk had for a poll 1 week before the election. A 9 point corzine lead. What did Christie win by 5 or 6% so they were only off 14% one week out. I'm familiar with Suffolk since they are out of Boston and I'm in MA too. They are simply not a reliable outfit, they are extremely consistent in there left slant.
10/26/2009
Though most polls are showing the New Jersey governor’s race to be dead even between incumbent Democratic Governor Jon Corzine and former U.S. Attorney and Republican challenger Chris Christie, a new poll by Suffolk University signals that Corzine (42 percent) leads comfortably over Christie (33 percent), with independent Chris Daggett trailing with 7 percent. Three percent of voters selected among the other nine independent candidates listed on the ballot, and 14 percent were undecided.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYou know, this came back to me several times after I read it this morning. And I think I've finally figured out why.
A few years ago, in the election that placed Schwarzeneggar in office, the polls leading into that election were all over the place. Literally! And none of them turned out to be true; the Democrat governor got removed, and Schwarzeneggar replaced him in a landslide. And this when the polls said we'd be stuck with who was it -- the guy they call Gumby? -- the polls said Gumby was going to stay with us and in the irrelevant replacement election Cruze Bustamante would replace him.
We're in a silly season. And what we'll have on the other end of this election will be something remarkable.
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