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A Special Monday Obi-Wan Kenobi Update

It’s an unusual cycle when I hear from my mentor Obi-Wan Kenobi so quickly after his last appearance.

Jim: What are you doing here? You said Friday that not much seemed to be changing and the weekend is never great for data but we might get some indicators by mid-week. Why am I hearing from you already?

Obi-Wan: No, not much has changed — though the Battleground poll was interesting. More on that in a second. I just thought readers who will be reacting to every new poll over the next few days might want a larger guide that tries to put things in context — four ways this could go, and what to look for as the week progresses.

Jim: Four scenarios?

Obi-Wan: First, THE FADING-GOP WAVE SCENARIO: This one is easy. If the generic GOP lead starts to fade and this continues through the weekend to a few points or nearly even on Election Day, then the GOP makes gains in the House but fails to take control, and gains three or four in the Senate. (With disappointments in places like Pennsylvania, Colorado, California and maybe Nevada.)

Second, THE OKAY WAVE SCENARIO: Polling stays about where it is — with strong generic GOP lead (5 to 9 percentage points or more) as GOP leads in many Senate races stay roughly the same; in places like Washington, California, and Connecticut, Democrat candidates either break 50 percent or keep a steady gap or widen it. Still, a wave election, with House gains of up to 50 or 60. But GOP fails at Senate control by two to four seats, which shows that (1) to some extent the Democrats’ strategy of individualizing Senate races with harsh negative attacks worked or (2) voters just chose to channel their anger at the Obama administration in their House voting but were discriminating – picking and choosing — in the Senate races.

Third, THE HAPPY-TIMES WAVE SCENARIO: Polling stays about where it is — with strong generic GOP lead between 5 and 9 and GOP Senate candidates in Washington, California, and Connecticut still within reach (6 to 9 points down). There you would see House gains of up to 50 or 60 or a bit beyond, and it’s a wave election that really does lift all boats and the GOP takes the Senate by a vote or two.

Fourth, THE SUPERWAVE: House gains of 60 to 90, even beyond. Senate races carried along as GOP ends up with three- or four-vote margin in Senate.

Jim: . . . And? Aren’t you forgetting what to look for—the indicators of a superwave scenario?

Obi-Wan: I know. In part, because we’ve never seen this sort of thing before and in part because we are already there in some ways.

In years past, the Senate races would be the early indicators — you know, some embattled GOP incumbents start to pull away. Or a safe Democratic seat or two is suddenly in play.

But where do you look for any of that this year? Our incumbents with problems in Louisiana and North Carolina seem quite safe. Same in a state like Missouri that can be troublesome for GOP in Senate races. And Democrat seats unexpectedly in play? I mean we have a GOP candidate with a steady lead in Wisconsin for heaven’s sake. And we have others that are tied or within striking distance in California, Connecticut, and Washington. And the leads aren’t just steady in states like Ohio, Arkansas, Florida, and New Hampshire, but runaways or close to that. (The size of the New Hampshire lead still surprises me because the state is conservatively inclined but not that conservatively inclined.)

Republicans have been so spoiled by seeing those numbers so early that we can forget what they mean. And please remember this should have been a tough, tough year for the GOP in the Senate with so many incumbents up and some retirements.

So, I mean, what to do for bellwethers in this environment? You know, the Scott Browns? We are left to look in heavy Democrat states like Delaware or maybe Oregon, Maryland, or one of the New York seats. With the exception of Delaware, the GOP campaigns in those states never got money and national help. So they could hide a wave. (But don’t fail to look at them either, at least for some changes in the numbers.)

Jim: Any other indicators?

Obi-Wan: Yes, of course, the GOP continuing its roll with the polling in individual House seats. If GOP leads seem to be solidifying and gaining in House seats then that’s an indicator. But I mean people have already talked about John Dingell and Barney Frank and even Steny Hoyer having problems. So where else can the discussion go? (I snidely note that Rothenberg and Cook came along reluctantly but only weeks after you and Dick Morris and a tiny few others saw 80 to 100 seats in play.) The point here is that a continuing House roll makes it hard to believe there won’t be a Senate spillover.

And we’re back to keeping an eye on the generic. Which is why this morning’s Battleground was interesting — it shows a 5 point lead among “likely voters” but it has a category called “most likely voters” — and that shows a 14 percent gap. And I mean this poll was done for Politico, which is not hospitable to the news that it had to put in the headline — how Independents have deserted Democrats. Not the way to start the week if you are a Democrat.

Jim: Is Obama’s campaigning going to make difference?

Obi-Wan: Yes, for Republicans. You know those post-election studies that show unexpected factors? I wouldn’t be surprised to see one showing that Obama orating at a rally without a jacket on instead of being president gave the country an exact daily image of what’s bothering it about him: He’s a candidate, not a president. Victor Davis Hanson wrote an interesting article about how this guy spent his whole life not really accomplishing anything but just making an impression. So he’s addicted to rallies—he needs the love. And Axelrod doesn’t know what else to do. Fire-up the base. Right. The Republican base. They should have had him playing president all election-cycle not banging a podium and working the rope line.

Jim: How are Republicans doing with their campaigns?

Obi-Wan: Well, I was worried that they didn’t have a finish. But, hey, there’s Sarah – la belle dame et magnifique —and her Tea Party Express hitting 14 states. And the GOP has to make the point that it’s not just Obama. That voters need to know the Democrat party has been extremist (sometimes secretly so) since 1972 and so it needs a real message, shock therapy.

Jim: You sound like you think the Superwave is upon us.

Obi-Wan: See, there you go getting pushy again. How can you predict something that hasn’t happened before?

American politics likes equilibrium, except when it doesn’t. Will it start to steady itself as Election Day approaches? Or head just as strongly in the currently strong direction, as in 1964?

If in the next day or two there are other senate polls showing some “tightening,” readers shouldn’t worry too much for the reasons stated in the last post. (New “likely” but still largely undecided Democratic voters and normal oscillation.) Let’s see what happens later in the week.

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   10/25/10 11:51

This Obi-Wan is really on the mark, lol.

He talks about CT being in play when Rasmussen now has it a blowout win for Blumenthal (13 pts).

Nate Silver did a pretty good analysis of early voting and says it will be a good but not great night for the GOP, which does seem to be what the Senate polls are telling us.

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   10/25/10 12:03

mypalfish: You sound like a Democrat, I wonder why? Probably because you are one.

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 sam
   10/25/10 12:06

Ha ha

Ask Nate Silver about his MA Senate prediction. Coakley by 2?

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 sam
   10/25/10 12:12

Ha ha ha

Ask Silver about his MA Senate prediction. Coakley by 2? Amused me for weeks after that.

One problem with the hack Silver is that he is a mindless number-grinder. He cannot distinguish between good pollsters and hack pollsters. So his mindless regression includes reputable pollsters such as Gallup and Rasmussen on one hand, and leftist rags such as Newsweek on the other.

Newsweek had a pol last week with Dems leading by 3 in generic, and then they have their cover with Speaker Boehner. Enough to give you whiplash if you took them seriously.

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   10/25/10 12:13

It seems to be setting up as Option #2, judging by the recent CA and CT Senate polls.

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   10/25/10 12:15

Love, love, love the comments from OWK.

With regards to mpalfish on CT, I agree that is a race that seems to be slipping and I do trust Rasmussen. Those college based polls in CA and PA are just so poorly run that I don't even pay attention to them.

The early voter numbers are VERY MUCH in favor of the GOP and any reading that is contrary to that is just wishful thinking on the parts of the Dems.

People are underestimating the angry white Independent male who is typical of much of the country that doesn't care about social issues but thinks the government should leave them alone. They tossed the GOP out because of their big spending ways, how do you think they feel about Obama's intrusivness.

OWK knows of what he speaks but I think that if you ignore CT, you could still end up with 52 Republicans and 48 Dems in the Senate and 80 to 90 gains in the house.

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   10/25/10 12:16

Remember also that Nate Silver, while no doubt highly intelligent and who writes some pretty interesting analyses, is a partisan Democrat. If he is admitting now that it's going to be a "good" night for the GOP, it's more likely than not to be great.

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   10/25/10 12:35

Aren't these GOTV promises usually just so much bluster? It's "Hey, we know our ideas suck, and we've governed incompetently, but, look at our GOTV effort, we will make this close." Then, when it fails, you have thousands of local organizers to blame.

This isn't 2008, and THAT was one heckuva year for the Dems. Al Franken won, for chrissakes, and in Georgia, my home, it made for a run-off between Saxby Chambliss and Jim Martin. But, when the smoke cleared and all that Obamascent from election day wore off, either no one cared to GOTV for the Dems, or something happened, because that run-off wasn't close.

I contend that was the beginning of the wave,since it was a critical win at the time, keeping the Senate at 41 R's (before Benedict Arlen switched).

We won't know for sure til election night, but, I think all scenarios are good for the GOP, as long as all of them include the House flipping. It might actually favor us to let D's keep the Senate, to prevent the 2012 cry of "do nothing Congress" etc, though, we will hear that regardless....

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   10/25/10 13:07

In my way of thinking, the ideas that this will be a big GOP wave and that the Dems might hold the Senate are not mutually exclusive. The House Dems are getting killed by independent voters in the suburban and Rust Belt districts. The Dem base could still come out big in the cities and deliver the close Senate races without having an impact on the House -- because their House districts in those cities are already safe for the Dems anyway. Of course the Dems will declare a moral victory if they hold the Senate, but it will look pretty pathetic if they lose 60+ in the House and countless hundreds of state legislative seats.

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   10/25/10 13:56

The only outcomes I am seeing are a meh night for the Republicans or the superwave. I just don't get a sense of something in between happening.

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   10/25/10 15:45

And another...yes, another...bad poll for a Republican Senate candidate comes out.

New PPP poll...

Manchin 50%
Raese 44%

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   10/25/10 16:05

Ahh, a PPP poll that shows strength for a Democrat. Like that is unexpected.

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   10/25/10 16:50

OldNumber7 raises an important point, for it explains why some of these Senate races (CA, CT) are in danger of getting away from us, while (on the other hand), for nearly every single day during the past two weeks, the RCP House Summary of Recent Changes shows additional House seats tilting GOP.

Reinforcing OldNumber7's analysis, voting fraud is likely to be very helpful the the Democrats in the big cities again this year. I do not know why the GOP 'wizards' do not do more to prevent this fraud, for it can never be corrected after the election is over. Ask Bob Dornan, or former Senator Coleman.

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   10/25/10 16:51

I would like to believe Obi, but am I the only one here who remembers Obi's predictions in '08?? I mean really! Why does Jim even bother to print his prognostications anymore? He couldn't have been MORE WRONG. Sadly.

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