PoliPundit offers a useful analysis of why the House went overwhelmingly for the GOP but Senate gains lagged: The House races were largely fought on Republican-leaning turf, but the key Senate fights were in deep-blue states.
That’s true, as far as it goes. But these were, by and large, unpopular incumbent Democrats, often with job-approval ratings in the 40s and disapproval above 50.
Barbara Boxer’s job approval is pretty miserable, underwater by a considerable margin. Harry Reid’s is even worse. Ditto for Michael Bennet in Colorado. Patty Murray was underwater, too. And clearly, Republican wins in blue states were quite possible this year; look at Pat Toomey, Ron Johnson, and Mark Kirk.
I'm in MA were I'm surrounded by unthinking lemmings. The lemmings voted for all incumbents in congress (9) and a sitting crooked DA running for the open seat won. And the lemmings elected Dem's, sometimes really despicable people, for all statewide races. Very few of the races were even close.
The motto here has always been "don't underestimate the stupidity of the Massachusetts voter". We maintain our status as a national embarrassment.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMy better half, LJStrata, said it best (being a California girl transplanted to VA): CA had a choice between The New Hotness from Ebay and HP, or Old 'n Busted with Brown and Boxer. No better proof CA is in decline when it goes with Old 'n Busted!
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAs has been pointed out - candidates matter. In the rush to "punish" the "establishment" the voters in Nevada and Colorado picked more conservative (marginally) individuals with considerable baggage over 90%+ conservatives who probably could have won in a walk. In an alternate universe I don't think we'd be fretting over Colorado (which appears lost) and talking about Sen. Reid, we'd have gone to bed early Tuesday night congratulating Sens.-elect Sue Lowden and Jane Norton.
In some places, it just isn't going to happen - if Carly Fiorina couldn't win in California this year against Barbara Boxer, then it's never going to happen there. If Dino Rossi doesn't pull it out in Washington we should probably write that state off until one of those seats opens up.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseCA and MA don't really surprise me. But I don't understand NV and CO. Nevada just doesn't strike me as a place that should be Democrat friendly. Ditto Colorado. Colorado, if memory serves, is where Ayn Rand has John Galt setting up shop. She probably should have chosen some place like Texas...
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseOf course, Bennett wins in CO. It's hard to spin the Senate results last night as anything other than a disappointment. This was the GOP's best shot at a true landslide and they blew it, as usual.
If you had told the Dems 3 weeks ago that they could take a 6 seat loss in the Senate or see what happens in the election, I would bet they take that 6 seat loss and smile.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse@mypalfish your act is very old and tired now. How many R seats in the senate were up this year and how many D? The low handing D fruit in the senate is up in '12 and '14, this year was on D turf. Markos of Dailykos was saying last year the D's would have up to 65 senate seats this year with pick ups of MO, NH, OH, FL, NC, etc.
So the R's win the house, flipping the largest number of seats since 1948 and you say it wasn't a landslide? Reagan squeaked by in '80 and '84 right?
Also, look at the down the ticket races. The R's are dominant in the Governorships and state houses. And just in time for redistricting where seats will be moving from mostly liberal states to conservative ones like Tx, Fl, etc.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseFish, you have to be delusional. 18 months ago, the Tea Party was a disorganized mass of people on the street. Now they are powerful enough to elect senators, without the help of the establishment parties. And...theyre not going to continue growing in power? Keep dreaming. Six seats flipped, and if you dont think more will in 2012, you are in La La Land.
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The republicans will be in complete control of redistricting in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Texas and on and on.
This election will have lasting effects for many years to come. You have districts like Edwards in Tx, Spratt in SC, Skelton in MO, Taylor and Childress in MS, Boyd in Fl, Herseth in SD, Pomeroy in ND, etc. where democrats will probably never win again. It could have been better but a 100 ft Tsunami isn't a just another wave. Yeah, 120 ft would have been better but I'm pretty darn happy today.
Oh, don't forget that the minority status of the D's in the house will prompt the retirement of MANY old tired liberals who held their seats. Pelosi will leave for certain, and how long will Rangel, George Miller, Hinchey, Conyers, Dingell, Stark, etc. want to stay around as powerless decorations? Minority status in the house means ZERO power so you'll see quite a few long timers leave.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"Six seats flipped, and if you dont think more will in 2012, you are in La La Land."
You never just give away races, and the GOP did that in NV, DE, and CO. How do you not defeat an incumbent under 50% approval? CA and WA are impossible, I guess, but the other races were extremely winnable. I don't spin. The House results were good, but not off-the-charts great. And the Senate results were so-so at best, disappointing at worst.
I have a feeling that when all the races are done in the House, you'll have 10+ seats that should have been won but weren't. And the Dems got 6 Senate seats in 06 and 8 seats in 08. This was no big deal.
And what happened to Obi-Wan last night? Can NRO get a new "insider", please?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt's the candidates you field, stupid, to paraphrase James Carville...love them or hate them, the (more) establishment candidates in primaries in Delaware, Colorado and Nevada would have cruised to victory yesterday against their Dem opponents (and Connecticut would have been a heckuva lot closer if not a win)...Tea Partiers have to get clear that just being against the "Establishment" guy or gal in the Republican primary is NOT enough...you have to have a viable alternative who can actually win a general. If the Tea Party movement is to continue and succeed (and I hope it does), it surely needs to get itself a better filter for that sort of thing or else it will end up losing as many races as it helps wins in its struggle to elect those who support its principles. This nation is in too bad a mess to afford that sort of thing.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseLet's not forget that this was a class of Senators elected in 2004, until last night the last good election for Republicans. The GOP wrung from this class almost all that was possible six years ago. To pick up what it did with these candidates in 2010 is remarkable. Take a look at what awaits in 2012. If this Congress performs, 2012 is set up nicely for seizing the Senate. Stop being gloomy and start working.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseLosing NV, CO, CA, WA, AK (yes, I consider losing to Mukowski a loss) and WV were real disappointments on a night we should be delighted.
Is it just me, or is every single time the vote comes down to the wire with just a few votes separating the candidates, the Dem always comes out on top. Statistically, that just doesn't seem possible to be so lopsided that way. Can't a Republican win a squeaker once in while? Voter fraud? Living in upstate New York, I've become such a pessimist I guess.
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Yeah, I think there are another dozen house seats that we could have taken. But there are some that we may not have taken and did. You have old time D's like Spratt, Taylor, Skelton, etc who survived '94 that were put down for good and their districts are not R's for a long time. Yeah Boxer is a terrible person and a very unpopular senator but it's CA, they brought back Moonbeam. How long before CA is completely bankrupt with a D statehouse and Moonbeam? The public unions own CA and they spend cash bigtime to keep the pensions and no work jobs.
My Gov in MA Deval is unpopular but it's a very D state and he won. Most years here Frank, McGovern, etc. are not even challenged, D's run unopposed all the time here.
go to wiki and check out what senate seats are up in '12 and '14. How do you think all those obamacare votes from the senators in MO, MT, ND, SD, NH, VA, NC, FL, NE, etc. are going to fare? The dem's will be defending very unfriendly ground the next two years.
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The D's are extinct is many areas right now except the cites. Check out MO, OH, PA, the entire south, TX, etc. After 4 years, pelosi gave the republicans more seats then they've had since the 1940's. I'll take it and all that down ticket stuff.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI think, in addition, one needs to look at the way "establishment" candidates who lost their primaries essentially took their ball and went home in a huff. I don't know that O'Donnell or others would have won if these guys hadn't, but I do know it would have been much closer.
Yes, Tea Partiers need to be smart about it, but too often both in the GOP and the political establishment at large, compromise seems to mean only conservatives give anything up.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseCell phone factor - you can bet we'll hear a lot more about this. Nate Silver and his minions speak of little else, except the perfidious Rasmussen (whose misleading polls did the GOP no favors BTW). And I still can't quite buy all the cell phone talk. For instance, two of the most cell phone-only intessive states are UT and OK. Sure, they're red states, but even red states have hundreds of thousands of Democrats. Why didn't the polling miss on UT and OK (not in results, but in margin), if this factor is so important in Pacific states and CO?
Mail voting - easy to vote, easy to defraud. Pollsters may be having a difficult time getting their heads around likely vs. unlikely mail voters. IMO this is a bigger issue than the cell phone red herring.
Pacific Firewall - the idea explains what, but not how. Sure, the Dems spent a lot of $$ defending CA, WA, and CO. But if it were that simple, they could have spent more $$ and saved WI, IL, PA.
GOP complacency / Democratic desperation - I'm wondering if western voters, seeing the likely results, were motivated to vote or stay home based on results to date? Seeing GOP gains in the east, desperate Dems in the west took to the polls to stave off an even worse landslide, while cheerful Republicans stayed home figuring they had it won. Hey, if IL and PA can turn red, then Buck doesn't need me to come out tonight - he'll win CO easily without me.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseJust a couple quick points:
"The House results were good, but not off-the-charts great."
The biggest gain in 62 years is merely "good"? What, in your mind, constitutes "great"? 435? A complete outlawing of the Democrat party?
"And the Dems got 6 Senate seats in 06 and 8 seats in 08. This was no big deal."
Yeah, a filibuster proof majority over two cycles is so ho-hum.
I understand Eeyore-style pessimism, but come on man. There's just no pleasing people like you.
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Maybe it's time for the Republicans in Massachusetts to start moving across the border into New Hampshire and solidify that state for conservatives. Leave the liberals to wallow in their own filth.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThat seems only to be true in Delaware. I did not hear any indication that Sue Lowden refused to support Angle and I believe that Norton endorsed Buck in Colorado. Those losses are not a result of primary race bitterness (though there was apparently some personal animosity towards Angle from the Republican leader in the NV state senate, whom Angle challenged in a primary once upon a time - he actually endorsed Reid, which probably sank Angle in the Reno/Washoe area where she needed to do well). The Tea Partiers ignored the personal baggage of their preferred candidates and assumed that everyone else would as well. Hopefully they've learned something from this and we will see a better crop of candidates in 2012 - ones that espouse both a Tea Party sensibility about fiscal issues while simultaneously avoiding the problems that sank some of this year's crop.
To indulge in a little more Senate venting before celebrating the House and the overall. I'm not impressed by the sour grapes argument (we didn't want someone like Angle representing us anyway). None of us said that before (well, maybe in the primary). And I don't buy the comforting wisdom that since WV went Dem anyway, CO and NV don't matter. They matter for the future big time.
Sure, at 47 it'll only take a +3 or +4 in a GOP-friendly 2012 Senate vote to produce a majority. But whatever majority there is will be a vote or two weaker than it might have been if Angle or Buck could have won, or if more electable candidates could have been nominated. Though there's of course still the potential for a big GOP pickup in 2012 that could get them to ~55, say for argument's sake that the GOP ends up at 51 or 52. You know what that means - Collins and Snowe are in the old Chaffee / Specter position. Hugh Hewitt's rule: in an evenly divided Senate, the most erratic member controls the chamber.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHoover writes:
"How do you think all those obamacare votes from the senators in MO, MT, ND, SD, NH, VA, NC, FL, NE, etc. are going to fare? The dem's will be defending very unfriendly ground the next two years."
They now have a plausible, albeit imperfect, election strategy model in Joe Manchin of WV.
Maybe I'm just a worrywart. But what if Obama does run to the center, makes a few key concessions with House Republicans, mends fences with independent voters, and drives his approval ratings back up?
To me, last night is the salient example of what overconfidence and poor choices in primaries can bring. Michael Steele should begin the process of recruiting a thousand more Marco Rubios and Pat Toomeys and Ron Johnsons this very instant.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseBoth David in Virginia and Reldim stated that the more establishment candidate would have cruised to victory in Colorado. Being on the ground here I am not sure that is true. Prior to the primary neither Scott McGinnis or Jane Norton got anyone excited about their campaign. Yep, many of the 100% certain voters would have come out but there were a lot of phone callers, precinct walkers and sign wavers who would not have come out for Scott or Jane.
The Problem that I see is that the powers that be in the state party tried to select dull, uncontroversial, milk toast candidates and clear the field in the primary. When the field was not cleared the base rejected the milk toast candidates and went with the more controversial candidate. At least in Colorado, if two or three viable establishment candidate were encouraged to work through the primary process Buck, Maes, and Tancreado would have not been carrying the banner.
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