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Obama, in 1995: ‘My grandmother, while she loves me, still has a fear of strange black men.’

In October 1995, then law-school lecturer and new author Barack Obama did an interview with The Crisis, the official magazine of the NAACP. The interview has now been posted to Google Books; to the best of my knowledge, Obama’s comments in this interview have not yet been brought to light elsewhere in the media. Images of the magazine pages can be found here.

A couple of the more notable comments:

Crisis: How do you feel to hear people say mixed-race children are children in limbo?

Obama: In a society as divided as we are, there are certain problems you can confront if you know your white side of the family. If I”m looking into the face of my mother, those kids of differences do arise. Take my grandmother, while she loves me, she still has a fear of strange black men. For her, her suspicions and fears are real. We all confront that to varying degrees along the spectrum . . . It’s on the nightly news.

In May 2008, the Jeremiah Wright sermons came to light, and Obama discussed his grandmother in his widely analyzed speech on race relations. Some called his criticism of his grandmother, and equating her comments to Wright’s sermons, “throwing grandma under the bus.” But this interview indicates Obama cited his grandmother as an example of white racism for many years before he ran for president.

Crisis: Looking to the future, do you think race will play a major role among people, or will economics and classism dictate how we define ourselves?

Obama: Yes. The world will look like Brazil, with its racial mix. Folks love Michael Jordan. He’s as black as my father was. People don’t think of (Jordan) as black. Integration is not a victory on our part. And while I’m not advocating segregation, in segregated black communities, there was a lot to be grateful for. There were black doctors, black lawyers. They didn’t leave the black community when they became successful, like so many successful blacks do today.

Crisis: Will race relations get better?

Obama: Not in the short term. We’re moving out of a period of American preeminence on the world economic stage. Global competition means increasing economic uncertainty for the majority of Americans, black and white. Unfortunately, politicians in this country find it convenient to define these problems in racial terms — affirmative action, immigration and so on. It’s always easier to organize people around tribe than around principle.

These last comments are rather fascinating, as the young Obama expressed a belief that America was in economic decline just as the 1990s boom was picking up steam, peaking with the dot-com mania of the late 1990s.

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   03/08/11 12:00

"It’s always easier to organize people around tribe than around principle."

QED

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seeryer
   03/08/11 12:22

Globalization has led to economic uncertainty for the American worker. He was speaking about the future. He said almost the exact line about his grandmother in many instances on the trail.

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   03/08/11 12:52

"Obama: Not in the short term. We’re moving out of a period of American preeminence on the world economic stage. Global competition means increasing economic uncertainty for the majority of Americans, black and white. Unfortunately, politicians in this country find it convenient to define these problems in racial terms – affirmative action, immigration and so on. It’s always easier to organize people around tribe than around principle."

The prequel to Bitter Clingers!!!!

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Aarradin
   03/08/11 14:32

Race relations will never improve so long as minority communities have leaders like Jeremiah Wright and Al Sharpton stoking the fires of racial hatred.

Wright preaches Racial Hatred, Hatred of America and Marxist Social Theory (with the occasional vague claim that his rants are supported by the Bible). Obama choose him as his mentor, worked closely with him in and out of his 'church', and spent 20 years listening to his sermons. He brought his children there also, to be indoctrinated into Wright's Racial Hatred.

Despite this, the so-called MSM heralded Obama as a 'post-racial' President. Nothing could be further from the truth. Obama is consumed by Race, he sees every issue through the prism of Race.

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   03/08/11 15:42

1995 was a long time ago for President Obama. His story had not been poll tested yet.

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mlindroos
   03/08/11 17:03

Obama:
"Take my grandmother, while she loves me, she still has a fear of strange black men."

Geraghty:
"this interview indicates Obama cited his grandmother as an example of white racism for many years before he ran for president."

Oh, for heaven's sake Jim ... isn't the key issue here whether Barry's granny actually *was* afraid of strange black men or not? And if what he says about her is true, then I fail to see how he was "throwing grandma under the bus." He is not accusing her of being racist...he is just pointing out she was afraid of black male strangers.

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   03/08/11 17:05

From the article: “In 1963, when he was 2, his father, an economist, returned to Africa and later died there.”

A big part of Obama’s skewed worldview arises from false mythologizing regarding his father. In fact, the family did not live together during the time between the birth of Barack, Jr. until he was 2. For the first year of his life (1961-62), Obama lived with his mother in Seattle where she was a student at UW. Obama Sr. continued at the University of Hawaii that year, and left for Harvard in the summer of 1962, after which Ann and Barack Jr. returned to Hawaii where she re-enrolled at UH. It appears that Barack Sr. never lived with, and perhaps never even saw, Barack Jr. from about the time of his birth until the famous month-long visit back to Hawaii by Barack Sr. when Barack Jr. was 10 years old.

In Dreams from My Father, Obama presents himself as a deeply introspective thinker who draws larger lessons of politics and ideology from the circumstances of his own life. But Obama’s description of his background distorts the actual facts, and the distortion is not immaterial. Obama’s image of his father is central to Obama’s identity, worldview and politics, but the image that Obama presents is a false one. That his black father abandoned Barack Jr. from the moment of birth is something he appears unwilling to face consciously. While outwardly and consciously Obama appears to be angry at his father (like “a lot of brothers,” as he states in the interview), nevertheless he seems to idolize his father and the fact that his father flatly rejected his white wife and mixed-race son from the moment of the birth of that son appears to have led to strong subconscious feelings of inferiority in Obama which he associated with his white mother and grandparents, and to an extent, himself. The feeling of inferiority would have been reinforced by his mother’s obvious continued love for Barack Sr. despite his abandonment of her and Barack Jr. Hence, the elevation of his father, and by extension, his black identity, to a higher place in his personal psychology.

One consequence of such an unhealthy, racially-charged psychology can be seen in another fascinating comment in the interview:

“[I]t’s liberating to be in a country where black people are in the overwhelming majority…because it renders issues of race less relevant. You can focus on what’s right or wrong, true or false. “

Here, we can see one of Obama’s blind spots. He implicitly assumes that a black majority is not capable of acting in a racially-conscious or oppressive way, and therefore in those circumstances politics becomes a question simply of right or wrong. We see why it is inconceivable to him that a privileged black Harvard professor could possibly be in the wrong in an encounter with a white police officer, or that black militants dressed in paramilitary uniforms and brandishing weapons at a polling place should be of concern to the Justice Department. It explains how an otherwise intelligent person could participate for 20 years in a church following the doctrines of Black Liberation Theology and not recognize that ideology as racist.

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   03/08/11 18:19

I find Obama's comments baffling. I am the mother of a mixed-race son, and I do not find strange black men frightening, unless by strange one means "engaging in bizarre behavior," at which point I find the black modifier to be immaterial. Nor does my son encounter problems with being mixed-race, in fact he claims he has the best of both worlds. Maybe Obama's outlook has more to do with the particulars of his family than the color of his skin--and maybe America has changed a whole heck of a lot more than he would give it credit for.

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   03/08/11 18:42

I just wish he would have been vetted prior to being elected. I promise you one thing, it will be a loooooong time before another Obama sneaks in to the oval office without full disclosure. When in doubt, throw the bum out. The majority of American's will never gamble on an unknown such as this again, the risk is just too high.

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David Rogers
   03/09/11 21:49
   03/10/11 21:24

"the young Obama expressed a belief that America was in economic decline just as the 1990s boom was picking up steam"

Well, if you're working around 115th and Stony Island, it's an easy assumption to make. Obama lived and worked in a very different America than most of us-- a rust belt casualty, a university, and a high powered law firm. None of those had much of anything to do with the growth or cultural changes of the 90s.

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