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Tonight’s Debate: Starting to Approach Crunch Time…

Believe it or not, it’s debate night again, 9 p.m. kickoff, on Fox News Channel, live from Orlando. Yesterday I taped some discussion of the outlook for the debate with Fox Business News, and excerpts of that interview are airing throughout the day.

To quote Yogi Berra, “It gets late early out there,” in that despite the fact that we’re in late September, and have about five weeks to the filing deadline in South Carolina (which would officially set the field) and about four months and change until the Iowa caucuses (though that could change), the window of opportunity is closing for most of the candidates in the field.

In most polls, both nationally and in the early key primary states, it is a two-man race between Rick Perry and Mitt Romney. Before the last debate, the conventional wisdom was that Michele Bachmann needed to have a dramatic, aggressive performance to get the spotlight back on herself and to take Perry down a peg. Her tough criticism of Perry’s Gardasil decision and stance on illegal immigration appeared to do that . . . until her infamous suggestion later in the evening that Gardasil could cause mental retardation, which may have done irreparable damage to her candidacy. As recently as August 9, she was less than two percentage points behind Rick Perry in the RealClearPolitics polling average. Today she has slipped behind Ron Paul, trails Mitt Romney by about 13 percentage points, and trails Perry by more than 20 percentage points.

Tonight, she faces the same challenge, with the bar set even higher: she needs to crack the foundation of Perry’s support while avoiding any criticism or charge that makes her appear loose with the facts, reckless, or out of the mainstream.

Perry’s past debate performances haven’t been bad enough to hurt him significantly, but he’s actually lost a little ground in the polls in the past two weeks. Some have wondered if Perry’s back surgery from the summer has left him with lingering fatigue issues; his performances in the debates’ first halves have been significantly better than his second halves.

Perry can serve up red meat with the best of them, but the question is what else he can do, and whether he seems like a man capable of building a national consensus to move national policies in a conservative direction. As Rich put it, “to become president of the United States, he’ll have to reach persuadables who don’t value outrageousness for its own sake. If he’s never willing to back down, he’ll have to go — should he win the nomination — all the way to November 2012 defending the notion that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is possibly guilty of treason.” From what the Texas governor has shown so far, a Perry presidency would leave the country with the cultural standoff of the Bush years — much whining and carping from the usual corners about the reckless, dumb cowboy Texan running roughshod in the White House. While many Republicans would like their nominee to wear that criticism as a badge of honor, others would prefer a nominee who can demonstrate a style of national leadership distinct from Bush’s. What’s more, Perry may face more criticism on Gardasil and will almost certainly face withering criticism that his policies amount to amnesty, and perhaps that too many of the jobs created in Texas during Perry’s reign have gone to illegal immigrants.

Romney finds himself in a position that ordinarily would cause some candidates to panic, but he and his team seem pretty confident that they’re playing the long game the right way. He still leads New Hampshire by a wide margin, is a strong second everywhere, and still matches up quite well against Obama in the head-to-head polling. From this, Romney may try to argue that Perry isn’t electable, but it’s not so clear that a lot of Republican primary voters want to hear that message this early. With Obama looking so weak at the moment, the argument that “your proposals are right on the merits but don’t poll well” won’t fly with grassroots conservatives eager to see the government shift dramatically to the right on January 20, 2013.

For former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson, tonight is a big night, with his national television debut.* He brings a more libertarian view on most issues, and will likely echo Ron Paul on foreign policy and drug legalization if the topic is raised. Johnson might be an interesting test of whether the collection of views we might call “Ron Paul-ism” works better or worse without Ron Paul himself.

For everyone else, the opportunities to break out of the background are diminishing. Newt Gingrich will probably pound the moderators and make some good arguments, but his energetic, pugnacious debate performances just haven’t translated into poll strength or even donations, it would seem. Herman Cain has won a lot of fans with his affable performance in past debates, but he appears to have seen his breakout moment come and go. (For one, brief, shining moment, Cain was second in the RealClearPolitics average: June 27, 2011.) Rick Santorum, too, has shown occasional moments of energy and passion in the debates, but he’s still struggling to hit 5 percent in Iowa, a state that should be his bread-and-butter. Jon Huntsman had an awful appearance in the last debate, and would be well advised to avoid the corny jokes or trying-too-hard cultural references. With 10 percent in New Hampshire, it’s not unthinkable that Huntsman could end up having a bigger impact on this race in the near future, but he still faces a steep uphill climb.

* UPDATE: In the comments, a reader contends that Johnson’s inclusion in the Greenville, South Carolina, debate back on May 5 constitutes his “debut,” although that debate featured a very limited field of Tim Pawlenty, Paul, Santorum, Cain and Johnson — no Romney, no Bachmann, no Perry, no Gingrich. (At the time, Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, Mike Huckabee and Mitch Daniels were also being mentioned as likely candidates).

That debate had 3.2 million viewers; by contrast, the debate on Fox News Channel in August had 5.1 million viewers. For perspective, last night Bill O’Reilly had 3.26 million viewers.

Tags: Debates, Michele Bachmann, Mitt Romney, Rick Perry

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Jeff Hansen
   09/22/11 11:54

Gary Johnson was in the first Fox debate, so this isn't his "debut".

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JLCk
   09/22/11 16:27

You are right. The author avoids saying he made a mistake and suggests we have "perspective".

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   09/22/11 12:26

"Romney finds himself in a position that ordinarily would cause some candidates to panic, but he and his team seem pretty confident that they’re playing the long game the right way. He still leads New Hampshire by a wide margin, is a strong second everywhere, and still matches up quite well against Obama in the head-to-head polling."

I've heard of cognitive dissonance - big words for whopping contradiction - but this takes the cake. Come on, Jim, stop being so afraid of the RIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO-screaming commenters. I know lots of NRO writers feel compelled to take shots at Romney to keep the commenters off their backs.

You sum up Romney's position very well, and it's hardly one that would make ANY candidate panic. He's rising in the polls, has only a seemingly clueless pol in front of him (and not by much), and looks to be a lock for a big win in New Hampshire.

Hardly seems like panic time to me. I'll vote for Perry myself in TX primary, but I don't delude myself about Romney's strength. Neither do Intraders. External Link 

And please dump the nonsensical back-problem excuse about Perry. What's gotten Perry in trouble are his Social Security bombs, thrown during the first half of his very first debate. It's killing him among older GOP voters and has gotten Romney right back into the race.

I know NRO writers are afraid to note Perry's obvious Social Security fiasco for ideological reasons. If you breathe a word of criticism about Perry's massive goof on the issue, the commenters really go wild and Andy McCarthy writes endless posts about what an idiot you are.

But as long as "Ponzi scheme" is the first phrase that comes to mind about Perry, he's got one gigantic problem. He might get out from under with a clear, detailed explanation of what he wants to do about Social Security. But Perry seems incapable of a clear, detailed explanation of much of anything. Increasingly, he looks like Obama's Dream of My Opponent.

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   09/22/11 15:37

For someone who always says "I'll vote for Perry" your comments read like a Romney supporter. No one is asking Romney about specifics when it come to repealing/replacing ObamaCare.

Perry isn't going to lose the nomination because of Social Security. There aren't enough entitlement RINOs in the party. Also, if you're concerned about it, you're not really supporting Perry.

Perry's weakness is the vaccinations business and immigration. If Team Perry doesn't have answers for his immigration policies he's gonna get creamed.

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   09/23/11 08:09

"Perry's weakness is the vaccinations business and immigration. If Team Perry doesn't have answers for his immigration policies he's gonna get creamed."

Gee, you sound like a Romney supporter.

But you were right. Perry got creamed. On Social Security, immigration, foreign policy, Romney's flip-flops, the price of potatoes, everything.

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Paul Gross
   09/22/11 12:29

The real problem with tonight's debate is that there will be 9 people on the stage. I get that we want to hear everybody's voice but it is hard to really get much out of the likely winner when the time is chopped into 9 pieces.

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   09/22/11 14:25

That's not a reason to be in a hurry to declare people out of contention. It's a reason to find a better way than these so-called debates to expose voters to all the declared candidates (not just the ones scoring high in polls of doubtful validity), including their stands on the issues and how they handle themselves in front of real people with real questions.

$30 to win on Jiminy Cricket in the fifth race.

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History Buff
   09/22/11 12:37

If Rick Perry keeps attacking Social Security with no plan on how to "reform it" just his lame "We need to have a conversation about it"...Romney will score big on that (regardless of the audience reaction).

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   09/22/11 15:42

Romney has got all the traction he's going to get from pandering to the GOP entitlement class. Fortunately there's enough logical senior citizens out there that the pandering isn't debilitating to Perry.

Romney has to convince voters that Perry is too extreme to nominate. It's a tough sell when Romney's record in Mass. is outside the GOP mainstream.

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   09/22/11 15:40

Are we really worried about this?

"A Perry presidency would leave the country with the cultural standoff of the Bush years — much whining and carping from the usual corners..."

C'mon Jim, this is going to happen no matter who GOP president is in the White House. The left despises everyone to the right of John Kerry.

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   09/22/11 18:07

"Johnson might be an interesting test of whether the collection of views we might call 'Ron Paul-ism' works better or worse without Ron Paul himself."

With one huge exception: Ron Paul Is Pro-Life. Gary Johnson is pro-abortion in just about all cases, although I assume that, as a libertarian, he is opposed to public financing of it.

That does NOT fly in a GOP primary, except in a truly outlier state. If it does end up flying in NH, watch for NH to be further marginalized.

If Johnson runs again in four or eight years (depending upon the '12 General) and tries to get the Paul vote, then it will be (1.) much smaller and (2.) even more marginalized within the party.

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