Also addressed in today’s Jolt are Newt Gingrich’s comments over the weekend, suggesting that as president, he would abolish whole courts to be rid of judges whose decisions he feels are out of step with the country, and that Congress has the power to dispatch the Capitol Police or U.S. Marshals to apprehend a federal judge who renders a decision lawmakers broadly oppose.
Gingrich: Well, Bob, I think part of the advantage I have is that I’m not a lawyer. And so as historian, I look at the context of the judiciary and the constitution in terms of American history. The fact is, I’ll just give you two examples — Judge Biery’s ruling on June 1st that he would jail the superintendent if anybody at the high school graduation used the word benediction, used the word invocation, asked for a moment of silence, asked the audience to stand, or mentioned God, he would jail the superintendent was such an anti-American dictatorship of speech that there’s no reason the American people need to tolerate a federal judge who is that out of sync with an entire culture. So I have to ask the question, is there an alternative? What’s the recourse? Well, one recourse is impeachment. The Supreme Court, in Boumediene . . . literally inserted the American civil liberties onto the battlefield. Now this is the opposite of World War II where Franklin Delano Roosevelt told the Supreme Court, through his attorney general, that the 14 German saboteurs that have been picked up in the U.S. would be tried by military tribunal and executed and that he would not tolerate a writ of habeas corpus as commander in chief. And so you have this real problem that since 1958, when the Warren Court asserted by itself, that the Supreme Court was supreme over the president and the congress, you’ve had a fundamental assault on our liberties by the courts, you have an increasingly arrogant judiciary, and the question is, is there anything we the American people can do? The standard conservative answer has been, well, eventually we’ll appoint good judges. I think that’s inadequate.
. . . Here’s the key — it’s always two out of three. If the president and the congress say the court is wrong, in the end the court would lose. If the congress and the court say the president is wrong, in the end the president would lose. And if the president and the court agreed, the congress loses. The founding fathers designed the constitution very specifically in a Montesquieu spirit of the laws to have a balance of power, not to have a dictatorship by any one of the three branches.
Face the Nation host Bob Schieffer presses the example of Obamacare, and asks whether if the Supreme Court rules it unconstitutional, whether President Obama could simply ignore the decision and “go ahead and implement it.” Gingrich responds, “He could try to do that. And the Congress would then cut him off. Here’s the key — it’s always two out of three. If the president and the congress say the court is wrong, in the end the court would lose.”
Except that sometimes popular opinion is wrong and sometimes popular opinion can support something that violates the Constitution. Most conservatives would argue that’s precisely what happened when Congress passed and Obama signed Obamacare into law. Under Newt’s vision, the only thing ensuring the enforcement of a ruling that declared Obamacare unconstitutional would be the Republican-controlled House. If the GOP hadn’t taken the House in 2010 (or if Democrats retook it in 2012 — pretty unlikely, as laid out here). a reelected Obama and a Democratic Congress could ignore any ruling from Chief Justice John Roberts and four or more allies.
The appeal of Gingrich’s rethinking of the role of the judiciary is clear in the examples he cites, like a judge attempting to criminalize any reference to God in a public graduation ceremony. But the result would be a federal government even more subject to the whims of popular opinion and election winners. In January 2009, conservatives knew that the ambitions of the Obama administration and its congressional allies faced at least the backstop of the Roberts Court (at least on the days Justice Kennedy agreed). What is popular and what is constitutional are not always the same, and the role of the court today, for all of its flaws, includes separating the two. Gingrich’s approach may seem appealing when we witness egregious examples of judicial activism — but if conservatives as a whole endorsed it, the approach would represent a major gamble that liberal Democrats would never again get complete control of the legislature and executive.
The awareness of the public on the issue has ripened.
When Gingrich was Speaker he was too busy trying to impose a Conservative agenda on an unwilling Senate and President. His hands were kind of full and he didn't need to go out reaching for other battles to take on.
But as a wise observer of the public scene, it hasn't escaped his notice the foul influence the Federal Courts have had on our economy and society, and even our body politick.
Being a guy not content to simply observe a problem without seeking to work out a solution, he has proposed that elected representatives of the citizenry summon those who formerly had to pass before them before becoming ensconced on the Courts to explain themselves.
Only those interested in a disastrous status quo would find something threatening or alarming about our judicial overlords being asked to explain themselves.
Good God, how spineless and unimaginative these devotees of the establishment are!
I loved Newt when he took down the establishment. But he stopped with power and then governed solely to keep it. Ask Dick Armey or Largent, Coburn and any other class of '94 conservative.
That he did nothing as Speaker about activist judges shows that these musings do not represent core convictions but are just hot air. The billionaires backing Newt are not anti-establishment, and he tries his darnedest to be king of politicians.
I do think your verb "impose" accurately reflects his statist instincts! But put "impose" alongside "brain science" and we ought to become a bit cautious!
I do wish Newt was the man that you think he is. And I wish that I was the man my dog thinks I am. But alas, my dog and Newt are what they are, nothing more.
The arrogance of the judiciary is matched---nay, surpassed---by Congress. I was instantly repelled by Newt's "solution" to the courts when he brought it up in last week's debate.
Gigrich's comments on the federal courts threaten to undermine the independent judiciary, on which our rule of law is based. Yes, some judges make bad decisions. The answer, however, is not to abolish courts and have the police round up judges and bring them before Congress to answer questions on threat of impeachment. This is nothing short of crazy talk and, in my opinion, disqualifies Gingrich as a Presidential candidate.
You've unknowingly conflated "judicial supremacism" with judicial independence.
They are quite able to "independently" reach their conclusions.
And the other CO-EQUAL branches of our government are also quite able to "independently" mind you, reach quite contrary conclusions.
And act to implement them.
And as for you finding Gingrich "disqualified" for the comment, I'm quite sure that you were already of that mind and were just looking for something to pile on Gingrich about.
That NR feels it seemly to go on in such style is bad enough, but readers don't need to adopt their breathless style.
As the Circuit Courts were CREATED by Congress, then it's QUITE WITHIN CONGRESSIONAL authority to trim their size and scope.
Moreover the Constitution EXPLICITLY GRANTS to Congress authority to DEFINE the jurisdiction of ALL Federal Courts, even that of the Supreme Court.
Once against Gingrich is proven accurate in his assessment of the problem and the legality of his suggestions.
Furthermore, what would be wrong with summoning Federal Judges to appear before Congress to expand on the reasoning of various rulings.
OR ARE those rulings something that they would be abashed about?
The Federal Courts are ALREADY responsive to "whim" and the perceived "winners" in a wider cultural battle. It's just that the "winners" are a non-responsive, unelected elite and establishment, and the "whims" are those that such an elite and establishment presently subscribe to, such as homosexualism, abortion on demand, global warming. You get the picture.
The idea that the Federal Courts are this bastion where those in dark cloaks are entirely uninterested in the whims that circulate amongst the elites is a JOKE.
What part of the decision overturning Hardwicke did you miss? Or Casey, which acknowledged that Roe was decided wrongly, but nonetheless upheld it in all essentials.
Gingrich's suggestion is something DISTINCTLY American, and only an establishment beholden publication would find in it anything to be remotely troubled by.
Once again NR has "met the enemy," and discovered the enemy to be a distinguished Coservative.
The Federal Courts are ALREADY responsive to "whim" and the perceived "winners" in a wider cultural battle. It's just that the "winners" are a non-responsive, unelected elite and establishment, and the "whims" are those that such an elite and establishment presently subscribe to, such as homosexualism, abortion on demand, global warming. You get the picture.
The idea that the Federal Courts are this bastion where those in dark cloaks are entirely uninterested in the whims that circulate amongst the elites is a JOKE.
What part of the decision overturning Hardwicke did you miss? Or Casey, which acknowledged that Roe was decided wrongly, but nonetheless upheld it in all essentials.
Gingrich's suggestion is something DISTINCTLY American, and only an establishment beholden publication would find in it anything to be remotely troubled by.
Once again NR has "met the enemy," and discovered the enemy to be a distinguished Coservative.
Newt didn't DO anything about activist judges when he was Speaker of the House--when it was his responsibility to do so. Why should we care what he SAYS now?
Newt talks a big game but his voting record and past show he is a CFR member who supports the NWO. He campaigned for Nelson Rockefeller and feed at the Fannie/Freddie feeding trough with Rahm and Jamie Gorelnick - aka the most loathsome people in govt destroying America.
The real Newt is the one who sat on the couch with Pelosi and pimped for the biggest totalitarian fraud of Global Warming. A huge global tax and slush fund for the NWO.
Newt is a kindered spirit to Clinton and Newt played conservatives. He got conservatives elected in the 1990s, "neutered" them and then planned their losses. He worked to run RINOs against real conservatives.
Support Santorum, Paul or Bachman. Mitt and Perry are second choices. Newt is NOT a conservative and never will be. He is the anthesis of the Tea Party yet he tries to constantly fool us by mentioning Reagan in his speeches. Do not be fooled by him.
As Drek has stated, you are forgetting that judges already make rulings based not on law, but on personal preferences. It categorically was not the the Founders' design that judicial rulings remain impervious to questioning from the other branches of government. Please re-read Federalist 78 and try to tell me that the political branches are not supposed to have more power over what the law should be than the courts. It always puzzles me why even conservatives do not understand that the system of checks and balances is supposed to apply to the judiciary as well. They are not immune from it and a belief in "the rule of law" does not foreclose this view because "the law" is not simply what a judge tells us it is. The "risk" of the political branches being controlled by the Democratic party is much preferable to the law being controlled by a group of unelected elitists; the first is called democracy while the second is an oligarchy. The former can be changed in one election cycle while the latter can take generations to undo, and Roe v. Wade is the quintessential example of this. At least Newt is not afraid to challenge the group-think about the judiciary that is so widespread even among conservatives.
Gingrich is a NWO RINO in the same cloth as John McCain and Lindsay Graham. They voted last week to pass a law, along with the Senate, to use the military to detain and arrest American citizens inside the USA. So much for The Constitution.
CFR Newt gives speeches about The Constitution yet undermines it at *every* turn. Check his voting record. That Fannie & Freddie cash "ain't" free.
Open-Borders, GATT, WTO, China MFN Newt is not a Reagan conservative. Newt is Pelosi/Rockfeller "republican."
Anyone else except Hunstman is a better choice than Newt. Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann are the first tier. Perry is next followed by Romney. Just Say No to Newt. Ditto to open borders Jeb.
So why didn't he do it when he had the power as Speaker of the House since this is clearly not a Presidential power.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe awareness of the public on the issue has ripened.
When Gingrich was Speaker he was too busy trying to impose a Conservative agenda on an unwilling Senate and President. His hands were kind of full and he didn't need to go out reaching for other battles to take on.
But as a wise observer of the public scene, it hasn't escaped his notice the foul influence the Federal Courts have had on our economy and society, and even our body politick.
Being a guy not content to simply observe a problem without seeking to work out a solution, he has proposed that elected representatives of the citizenry summon those who formerly had to pass before them before becoming ensconced on the Courts to explain themselves.
Only those interested in a disastrous status quo would find something threatening or alarming about our judicial overlords being asked to explain themselves.
Good God, how spineless and unimaginative these devotees of the establishment are!
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseDrek,
I loved Newt when he took down the establishment. But he stopped with power and then governed solely to keep it. Ask Dick Armey or Largent, Coburn and any other class of '94 conservative.
That he did nothing as Speaker about activist judges shows that these musings do not represent core convictions but are just hot air. The billionaires backing Newt are not anti-establishment, and he tries his darnedest to be king of politicians.
I do think your verb "impose" accurately reflects his statist instincts! But put "impose" alongside "brain science" and we ought to become a bit cautious!
I do wish Newt was the man that you think he is. And I wish that I was the man my dog thinks I am. But alas, my dog and Newt are what they are, nothing more.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe arrogance of the judiciary is matched---nay, surpassed---by Congress. I was instantly repelled by Newt's "solution" to the courts when he brought it up in last week's debate.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseGigrich's comments on the federal courts threaten to undermine the independent judiciary, on which our rule of law is based. Yes, some judges make bad decisions. The answer, however, is not to abolish courts and have the police round up judges and bring them before Congress to answer questions on threat of impeachment. This is nothing short of crazy talk and, in my opinion, disqualifies Gingrich as a Presidential candidate.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThose comments threaten nothing of the sort.
You've unknowingly conflated "judicial supremacism" with judicial independence.
They are quite able to "independently" reach their conclusions.
And the other CO-EQUAL branches of our government are also quite able to "independently" mind you, reach quite contrary conclusions.
And act to implement them.
And as for you finding Gingrich "disqualified" for the comment, I'm quite sure that you were already of that mind and were just looking for something to pile on Gingrich about.
That NR feels it seemly to go on in such style is bad enough, but readers don't need to adopt their breathless style.
As the Circuit Courts were CREATED by Congress, then it's QUITE WITHIN CONGRESSIONAL authority to trim their size and scope.
Moreover the Constitution EXPLICITLY GRANTS to Congress authority to DEFINE the jurisdiction of ALL Federal Courts, even that of the Supreme Court.
Once against Gingrich is proven accurate in his assessment of the problem and the legality of his suggestions.
Furthermore, what would be wrong with summoning Federal Judges to appear before Congress to expand on the reasoning of various rulings.
OR ARE those rulings something that they would be abashed about?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe Federal Courts are ALREADY responsive to "whim" and the perceived "winners" in a wider cultural battle. It's just that the "winners" are a non-responsive, unelected elite and establishment, and the "whims" are those that such an elite and establishment presently subscribe to, such as homosexualism, abortion on demand, global warming. You get the picture.
The idea that the Federal Courts are this bastion where those in dark cloaks are entirely uninterested in the whims that circulate amongst the elites is a JOKE.
What part of the decision overturning Hardwicke did you miss? Or Casey, which acknowledged that Roe was decided wrongly, but nonetheless upheld it in all essentials.
Gingrich's suggestion is something DISTINCTLY American, and only an establishment beholden publication would find in it anything to be remotely troubled by.
Once again NR has "met the enemy," and discovered the enemy to be a distinguished Coservative.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe Federal Courts are ALREADY responsive to "whim" and the perceived "winners" in a wider cultural battle. It's just that the "winners" are a non-responsive, unelected elite and establishment, and the "whims" are those that such an elite and establishment presently subscribe to, such as homosexualism, abortion on demand, global warming. You get the picture.
The idea that the Federal Courts are this bastion where those in dark cloaks are entirely uninterested in the whims that circulate amongst the elites is a JOKE.
What part of the decision overturning Hardwicke did you miss? Or Casey, which acknowledged that Roe was decided wrongly, but nonetheless upheld it in all essentials.
Gingrich's suggestion is something DISTINCTLY American, and only an establishment beholden publication would find in it anything to be remotely troubled by.
Once again NR has "met the enemy," and discovered the enemy to be a distinguished Coservative.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNewt didn't DO anything about activist judges when he was Speaker of the House--when it was his responsibility to do so. Why should we care what he SAYS now?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNewt talks a big game but his voting record and past show he is a CFR member who supports the NWO. He campaigned for Nelson Rockefeller and feed at the Fannie/Freddie feeding trough with Rahm and Jamie Gorelnick - aka the most loathsome people in govt destroying America.
The real Newt is the one who sat on the couch with Pelosi and pimped for the biggest totalitarian fraud of Global Warming. A huge global tax and slush fund for the NWO.
Newt is a kindered spirit to Clinton and Newt played conservatives. He got conservatives elected in the 1990s, "neutered" them and then planned their losses. He worked to run RINOs against real conservatives.
Support Santorum, Paul or Bachman. Mitt and Perry are second choices. Newt is NOT a conservative and never will be. He is the anthesis of the Tea Party yet he tries to constantly fool us by mentioning Reagan in his speeches. Do not be fooled by him.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAs Drek has stated, you are forgetting that judges already make rulings based not on law, but on personal preferences. It categorically was not the the Founders' design that judicial rulings remain impervious to questioning from the other branches of government. Please re-read Federalist 78 and try to tell me that the political branches are not supposed to have more power over what the law should be than the courts. It always puzzles me why even conservatives do not understand that the system of checks and balances is supposed to apply to the judiciary as well. They are not immune from it and a belief in "the rule of law" does not foreclose this view because "the law" is not simply what a judge tells us it is. The "risk" of the political branches being controlled by the Democratic party is much preferable to the law being controlled by a group of unelected elitists; the first is called democracy while the second is an oligarchy. The former can be changed in one election cycle while the latter can take generations to undo, and Roe v. Wade is the quintessential example of this. At least Newt is not afraid to challenge the group-think about the judiciary that is so widespread even among conservatives.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseGingrich is a NWO RINO in the same cloth as John McCain and Lindsay Graham. They voted last week to pass a law, along with the Senate, to use the military to detain and arrest American citizens inside the USA. So much for The Constitution.
CFR Newt gives speeches about The Constitution yet undermines it at *every* turn. Check his voting record. That Fannie & Freddie cash "ain't" free.
Open-Borders, GATT, WTO, China MFN Newt is not a Reagan conservative. Newt is Pelosi/Rockfeller "republican."
Anyone else except Hunstman is a better choice than Newt. Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann are the first tier. Perry is next followed by Romney. Just Say No to Newt. Ditto to open borders Jeb.
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