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Thinking About the Electoral College Already . . .

Scott Elliot runs a fantastic site for election junkies, Election Projection.com.

In his first projection of the 2012 race, matching Mitt Romney vs. Barack Obama, he projects the incumbent hanging on with 272 electoral votes; Romney wins 266. New Hampshire, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Wisconsin are among the swing states that stick with Obama; Romney wins Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Interestingly, he projects Romney to win 49.4 percent of the popular vote and Obama to win 49.1 percent of the vote.

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   01/30/12 08:29

Hmm.

Why is NH blue in that projection, Romney has won 10 last polls in RCP, average of the 4 last is +6.8 victory margin?

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MarkJ
   01/30/12 09:35

"Interestingly, he projects Romney to win 49.4 percent of the popular vote and Obama to win 49.1 percent of the vote."

If (Saints Preserve Us!) Obama wins under the above scenario, then the Democrats will be afterwards...

1. Painfully trying to explain why they went ballistic over Bush vs. Gore in 2000, but Obama winning in 2012 under nearly identical conditions is perfectly okay.

2. Muttering, "Remember all that stuff we said about abolishing the Electoral College? Forget about it."

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   01/30/12 09:45

If Obama has to win re-election I'd love for that to be the final popular vote split. Would completely shut down that stupid national popular vote interstate compact idea and all of this bogus concern from liberals over the Electoral College. If Obama won the election but lost the popular vote our heads will spin over how quickly the lefties suddenly start trumpeting the virtues of the EC and the vision of the Founders.

That said, I think thet projection is probably wrong given the numbers - I'd guess that New Hampshire will flip back to red, which would reverse the outcome - Romeny 270 to 268.

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   01/30/12 09:59

Obama's approval rating is 51% in the new Rasmussen tracking out today and it also shows consumer confidence surging to it's highest level in a year. The economy is cyclical and it's on the upswing, it will not go back down. Obama has always had luck on his side and the timing simply could not be better (Reagan had the same good timing). Neither Romney or Gingrich will even be competitive by November.

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   01/30/12 10:43

Consumer confidence is good, but we'll see if it sustains over the next couple of months. January jobs numbers will be a good test of this - the preliminary figures should be out at the end of the week. But looking out - this could be an interesting year - and the idea that there won't be another dip is simply foolish. While traditionally you'd be correct and I would agree that a reversal is unlikely between now and summer (when perceptions set in), the precarious situation in Europe is a wild card. If Europe dips into recession (seems to be likely) as a result of the sovereign debt issues in the eurozone, that will impact us greatly as Europe remains one of our major export destinations - if demand over there drops that could strangle any burgeoning recovery over here. While the numbers might not drop signficantly (I don't think we'll go back into recession), a clear slowdown could dirve uncertainty back up and cause a more pessimistic public perception of the economic situation. Which would not be good for the president.

Approval rating I will dismiss for now - the tracking is clearly going to show a bounce from the SOTU - it's a dramatic presentation, and even if the contents are mostly the same as every SOTU for the last 30 years, it still makes some fence-sitters feel good about the president. Fair enough - it is unchallenged good press (nobody pays much attention to the opposition's response). The question will be whether any of it is sustained after another couple of weeks.

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   01/30/12 10:04

This isn't bad.

But let me add if Romney takes OH,IN,NC,FL and VA (and the 1 electoral vote from NE) as is assumed. Obama is hanging on by exactly one electoral vote (tie goes to the GOP if they keep the house).

But I can't see Obama running the table. NH is trending GOP, Nevada barely and I mean barely kept Reid (a Mormon) in office. NV is a state I can see flipping. Colorado, will be tough for Obama. Although2010 statewide results look bad for the GOP (governor and Senator), they cleaned up in the house races.

Demographic states which will be hard for Obama are IA, NH. IA was particular was a brutal rebuke on Obama. IA which is one of the "whitest" states in the Union (who gave Obama 6 electoral votes), will not be friendly to Obama this time. Can't see Obama with an approval rating in the 30's among white voters doing very well here the second time around. NH has a similar issue but a far more liberal bent, in the end this state will be close. Bush won it in 2000.

Iowa is also a tough state for Obama, simply put not a lot of African American voters in IA (2.5%).

If I were to predict this race I think we also take CO,NV, NH, and IA ....If Ryan survives by a comfortable margin I would add WI.

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   01/30/12 10:35

Wisconsin is really interesting. He projects that the GOP will gain the Senate seat (despite assuming no set nominees on either side), but that Obama will win by over 6 points. That seems unlikely where the presidential race is assumed to be Obama-Romney. It's not like Romney is far-right, and I can't see him being significantly more "out of sync" with Wisconsin than any potential GOP Senate nominee. So I find it odd for Romney to basically run at least 7-8 points behind an "unnamed Republican" Senate candidate.

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   01/30/12 10:11

Interesting thing about the projections - he projects Iowa and Colorado (both under 2 points) and even Minnesota (2.1 points) to be closer than New Hampshire (2.2 points). Any one of those flipping to Romney would change the electoral result.

For contrast, the closest projected margin of victory for Romney is in Virginia (at 0.8 points), with Florida at 2.6 and Ohio at 3.3 (Pennsylvania projected to go Obama by 2.9).

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   01/30/12 10:23

With all due respect, Jim, those projections are clearly wrong, as the conventional wisdom (which I consult frequently) has informed me that Mitt Romney is The Only Candidate Who Can Defeat Obama (Tm)

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   01/30/12 10:28

Gumby is right. Rasmussen does show Obama surging and if his approval is at that level this fall, he's a lock for re-election. The first story on the local news on the radio this morning was about the improving economy. I don't care how good or bad a President's economic policies are, the natural cycle seems to always take effect.

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surfcat50
   01/30/12 10:30

Wisconsin goes Obama? I'd bet not but Walker recall data will be in hand beforehand.

Colorado? If I was advising the Republican nominee, I'd recommend getting hold of the faux Greek columns from Obama's time there and make some hay with them, big time. Some scenes:

"The Republican walks next to one, pushes it over and says, 'See, it was all fake.'"

"The ad begins with scenes from the big O's speech in front of the columns, crowd roaring, and fades to black. Print appears on screen showing Greece's Debt/GDP ratio, some seconds later the same ratio for the US. Crowd noise starts again but this time it's scenes from protests in Greece over the debt crisis. Segue to OWS protests. Fade to black with 'Don't let the President continue us on the path to a Greek tragedy.'"

Oh, yes, Colorado presents opportunities for the Republican candidate.

New Mexico? Good news, Old Mexico drug cartels rank your border the 3rd easiest to cross.

Nevada? Well, we know Dirty Harry can mobilize the union to provide enough voters but can they be certain all their members are loving the taste of kool-ade?

Really, are you better off than you were four, oops, scratch that - FIVE Trillion Dollars Ago?

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   01/30/12 10:39

Surfcat,

If you believe Rasmussen, then people DO feel that the economy is improving. Consumer Confidence highest in a year, Obama's approval highest in a year...things ar bleak and will only get bleaker as the year goes on.

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DJ1234
   01/30/12 10:38

I think WI, NM, and NV all go GOP this time, really no matter who the nominee is other than Paul

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   01/30/12 11:39

No way Romney loses NH.

-- A MA Resident

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steate
   01/30/12 12:25

There is no way Romney loses Nevada. It's likely he'll win Colorado and New Mexico too. Obama is toast.

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   01/30/12 12:52

No GOP candidate can win California but bygod they should be running on it as a failure of a totally liberal/progressive state. I do not understand why none of them mention it. I would harp on it constantly, compare it to the federal government over and over again. But maybe thats just me.

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   01/30/12 14:47

One interesting aspect is that if Obama gets reelected, he probably loses the Senate anyway (I definitely think the WI seat is going red; Dems will probably run Tammy Baldwin, a super liberal who is almost unknown outside of super liberal Madison).

Mr. Polarizer can't even govern with a split congress, and he will get absolutely nothing accomplished with Republicans controlling both houses. (Of course Republicans won't get anything done either.)

Obama might win, but the victory will be Pyrrhic: he's almost certainly going to run an ugly campaign and drag all of Washington's reputation through the mud, then spend 4 years as an ineffective lame duck beset by a belligerent congress . Probably leave office about as popular as GWB's 26% and give the Republicans landslides in 2014 and 2016 (the election in the 6th year of a presidency almost always goes against the incumbent.)

Dem voters can boost Obama's ego for 4 more years but it may lead to the electoral annihilation of the Democrats. (The downside is all of us have to suffer 4 more years of Obama's "new normal", and the situation the next Republican president inherits will be even more dire than it would be in 2012.)

Obama's no lock on reelection though: his current bounce is likely to fade as all his previous bounces have (this is just a bump up from SOTU and post-holiday doldrums; he hasn't really done anything to change to big picture.) The economy is skimming along the bottom more than recovering (housing prices are still an albatross), and there are all sorts of unpredictable international crises that could explode at any time. (Will Obama be lucky enough to have another 10 months of peace in the middle east and stability in Europe? Maybe, but not based on anything he has done.)

Domestically, I wonder if OWS is going to become a problem for him (riots in Oakland recently) -- a few months ago there was a link up here about some guys "7 keys for winning the Whitehouse" which included as one of the arguments for Obama's reelection "no civil unrest." But that has changed, and may get worse before it gets better. ("No scandals" was another argument for Obama's reelection; but how many solar companies have to go bankrupt with taxpayer money before the cronyism problem metastasizes? And can Holder keep avoiding the tough questions about "Fast & Furious" forever?)

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   01/30/12 14:57

PS - all that PAC and 527 money that Republican are currently spending attacking each other will eventually be spent attacking Obama.

Obama is 50% on his best days right now, coasting along without a primary challenge and watching his opponents attack each other instead of him.

Let's see how his approval numbers look after the first few hundred million in third party attack ads have run. I hope F&F, Solyndra, the shrinking labor force, underwater home prices and debt downgrades are much bigger stories than Newt's "open marriage" or Romney's "offshore accounts" by the end of the summer!

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   01/30/12 19:53

Fascinating projection and seems about right. But I don't think Obama can run the table of these states: New Hampshire, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Minnesota.

Losing any one would lose the election, based on this projection.

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