There has been some predictable crowing about how poorly Palin has fared in recent polls, e.g., losing to Obama among independents by 17 points. But you can choose examples from American history, virtually at random, that demonstrate how meaningless such long-distance polls can be. Who, looking at the exit polls from 2004, would have said the Democrats, to have a prayer of winning the presidency four years later, absolutely had to nominate a young leftist community organizer with close to zero national experience? And who, reading the exit polls from 2008, would have said the Republicans’ only hope of winning the midterms was to become really, really right-wing?
And check this out, a random example from the past, from Time magazine of March 22, 1976, well into that election year:
If the election was held today, Gerald Ford would handily defeat any of the major Democratic contenders.
In the contest for his party’s nomination, Ford is preferred over Ronald Reagan by a 2-to-1 margin among Republican and independent voters. . . .
Ford would beat [Hubert] Humphrey decisively, 52% to 37%, with 11% undecided. This is a marked improvement for Ford over a TIME poll taken last January, when he led Humphrey, 46% to 40%, with 14% undecided.
Surprisingly, last week’s TIME survey finds that Ford would have a tougher time against Carter than against Humphrey. The President would beat the Georgian, 46% to 38%, with 16% undecided. . . .
Good heavens, this Carter guy can’t even break 40 against the guy who pardoned Nixon?! He’s finished. And as for this two-to-one loser Reagan, he should pack it up for good. No, as I’ve said here before, the important question is not Can Palin win?–the mood swings of the American people must never be underestimated–but Should she be president?
Should she be President? Why not? She's got 20 years experience in leadership. The President should be a leader before all else. A good leader doesn't need to have all the answers. A good leader just needs to know how to get the answers and then act based on the answers they are given. Presidents rely on their staff and their cabinet to assist them. Can Palin assemble a competent staff and cabinet? Why not?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNo, she shouldn't be president. She is a lightweight compared to numerous other potential Republican candidates.
The country gets one shot -- one shot -- to undo the immense damage Obama, Pelosi, Reid et al have done. We can't roll the dice with Palin.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"Who, looking at the exit polls from 2004, would have said the Democrats, to have a prayer of winning the presidency four years later, absolutely had to nominate a young leftist community organizer with close to zero national experience?"
They didn't HAVE to. Anyone with a D after his name would have won in 2008.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhile I agree the more pressing question is whether Palin *should* be President, I don't find your examples regarding electability and polling data persuasive at all.
Palin is one of the very few -- only? -- potential 2012 candidates who has actually run on a nationwide ticket. Her numbers aren't depressed by voter unfamiliarity -- everyone knows who she is, and almost everyone has a pretty strong opinion about her, one way or the other. Indeed, of all the 2012 polling numbers pitting a Republican hopeful against Obama at this early stage, I would argue that the Palin-v.-Obama numbers are the most trustworthy in terms of their predictive value. Simply put, most people believe they have enough information about both candidates to say with confidence which way they would vote two years from now.
That's not to say it's impossible to move the needle to some extent, but once a voter is willing to tell a pollster that he has an "unfavorable" or "negative" opinion of a candidate, it is exceedingly difficult -- almost impossible, even -- ever to win that vote. Palin's negatives/unfavorable ratings, especially with independent voters, make her "virtually unelectable," as the PPP put it recently. And *more* exposure -- especially via reality television -- seems like the precisely wrong prescription for winning over independents and other conservatives who are disappointed and/or appalled by their current celebrity, showhorse-over-workhorse President.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAre you saying, Mike, that you think she should be president? If you're trying to convince me, I'm not there yet. I would have been at any point prior to Bristol being on Dancing with the Stars. But at this point, as much as I loved her as a VP nominee, and as much as I think she would be an excellent POTUS, her family's penchant for weird publicity (read: Levi) makes me think that not only is she not electable, her presidency would be marred by family distractions.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNo kidding, flenser. It's not like Obama limped across the finish line in 2008. That phrasing -- "to have a prayer of winning the presidency four years later" -- is bizarre, considering the historical closeness of 2000, the relative closeness of 2004, and the controversial Bush presidency in general. And by 2008 -- especially after the September financial crisis -- it was crystal clear that, barring a miracle, a Dem would win the White House, whether he/she was a DLC member or a Communist.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseFlenser is right. Similarly, the characterization that Republicans' only chances in 2010 were to become "really, really right-wing" is overblown. Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell were poor candidates, but they also were among the most right-wing ones running, and they lost. The whole of the party in 2010 does not warrant even "right-wing," let alone TWO reallys, except in basrelief against the background of the most leftist administration since, well, ever.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHere's proof that the Republicans are not "really, really right wing." Right this moment, the Editors of NR are declaring themselves fearful that a few of what they call "pork-friendly" Republican Senators will collude with the Dems to pass a $1.1 trillion dollar "middle finger" to the voters, in spite of the recent historic shellacking. If that's what a "really, really right-wing" party does, we are in even more trouble than is already apparent.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuseflenser is right on.
I'd also point out that Ford, being the incumbent and only garnering 46% of the vote, was actually in pretty bad shape. As Brother Geraghty says, when an incumbent is under 50%, they're usually in trouble.
I'll also be shocked if the nation has a mood swing big enough to overcome 50+ percent unfavorability ratings and less than 25 percent thinking she's qualified for the office.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAny comparison of Palin with a come-from-behind or relatively unknown Democrat is presumptively invalid, for the following reasons.
The Democrats have had and will have the media to beat the drum for them, while ignoring their flaws. The media has done and will do just the opposite to any Republican. With Palin, they will do it with a vengeance.
And her total inability to think on her feet and give substantive responses to substantive questions will simply confirm the negative impressions fostered by the media. The more exposure she gets, the more her numbers will go down.
She would probably be a decent president, because she can surround herself with right-thinking experts. But, I don't think she can get elected.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse2 years, people. 2 years.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"Good heavens, this Carter guy can’t even break 40 against the guy who pardoned Nixon?! He’s finished."
That's not very good polling analysis. The rule-of-thumb is that if the incumbent, who everybody knows, is polling below 50%, he's in trouble. You could see Ford was at risk of losing when he only managed 46% against Carter.
Palin's problem is that unlike Carter in 1976 or Obama in 2008 she's not an unknown. Everybody has heard of her and her negatives are high.
The question is not "Can she be elected". Almost anybody can be elected under the right circumstances. Just look at Carter and Obama. The question is how high are the obstacles between her and winning the election. And the answer is - pretty darned high.
The question is whether you'd prefer a 40% chance of getting Palin in the WH over a 50% chance of getting e.g. Pawlenty there.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseRespectfully disagree with flenser. If the (R) party leadership weren't chock full of pansies they could offer/support strong candidates, in general.
Looking back to 2008, it is impossible to truly know whether Obama or any other (D) was unbeatable. I'm not saying it would have been tough, but I cannot be convinced that someone who could not top 53% of the popular vote was untouchable. How many of you wanted to throw a brick at the TV almost every time McCain opened his mouth? He wasn't Dole bad, but geez Louise.
Count me as confused/concerned about the "really, really right-wing" description, by the way.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNo, much better we have John Thune the earmark king, Mike Huckabee the cap-and-trade king or Mitt Romney the health care king. Maybe we should just wait and see who the MSM nominates as the GOP candidate.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"In the contest for his party’s nomination, Ford is preferred over Ronald Reagan by a 2-to-1 margin among Republican and independent voters. . . ."
Do you see what they did there? They included "independent" , that is, unaffiliated, voters in a poll about a partisan - affiliated - primary. Skews the numbers in one way or the other, but I'm sure it was done to make it seem more extreme than it actually was.
I know this kind of thing is rampant nowadays, but they did that stuff 34 years ago, too?
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"I cannot be convinced that someone who could not top 53% of the popular vote was untouchable"
Well, that's part of the problem. Obama was pretty much the worst case scenario for Democrats -- radical liberal, no experience, questionable friends and associates -- and he STILL got 53% of the vote.
I agree McCain was cringe-inducing, but it's difficult to see how any other Republican, given the circumstances, does well enough to win.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"If the (R) party leadership weren't chock full of pansies they could offer/support strong candidates, in general."
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd have Christmas every day.
"Looking back to 2008, it is impossible to truly know whether Obama or any other (D) was unbeatable."
He or any other (D) was unbeatable after the financial meltdown in September/October, which was blamed on Bush and the Republicans. (Rightly or wrongly blamed makes no difference)
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe 2004 scenario is a close one. Voters were open to replacing Bush. The Democrats nominated a French-looking guy who wore spandex while wind-surfing. No, we'll keep the cowboy.
This time around un-exciting and un-offensive, dry wit, straight sentences, plain American principles, no spandex, no French pretense. Good chance. 52-48.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseOf course Palin should be President. Woman is comfortable with her beliefs, she is confident in her own skin to know what she does not know and is not afraid to ask for help from the people she trusts. I am confident as President she will surround herself with advisors who will not be afraid to tell her the unvarnished truth (not to be confused with silly yes men who populate WH now and run scared at the sight of Michelle)
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseDistrict Dawg, you're right on the money. While Hilary wouldn't not have generated the kind of turnout amongst the black community that Obama did, I still suspect she would have actually done better than 53%. Maybe not a lot better, but somewhat better.
McCain was bad, Obama was problematic for different reasons, but I think the moral of the story is just how polarized the electorate continues to be - and it's a seemingly fixed polarity.
Can Palin win? I have my doubts. But, can Palin make it competitive? You betcha!, if for no other reason than this prevailing polarity.
Having said all that, it sure would have been nice if Palin had finished her term as governor. That will be a difficult defect to overcome with the great unwashed, I'm afraid.
I venture to guess that the days of Reagan's 49-state sweep are gone, never to return again - at least no in the foreseeable future.
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