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There Is Yet No Loughner / Far-Right Connection

It is worth stating again that there is at present no — zero — evidence that purported Tucson shooter Jared Loughner was affiliated with any tea party group or other mainstream conservative cause. But nor is there any reason to think that Loughner was aligned with even far-right or radical political causes. 

The basis for speculation that Loughner had a right-wing political connection stems from:

1) A Fox News report that DHS had established a connection between Loughner and the white-supremacist group American Renaissance. 

2) This from the New York Times:

Some people who study right-wing militia groups and those who align themselves with the so-called Patriot movement said Mr. Loughner’s comments on subjects like the American currency and the Constitution, which he posted online in various video clips, were strikingly similar in language and tone to the voices of the Internet’s more paranoid, extremist corners.

In the text on one of the videos, for example, Mr. Loughner states, “No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver.” He also argues that “the current government officials are in power for their currency” and he uses his videos to display text about becoming a treasurer of “a new money system.”

The position, for instance, that currency not backed by a gold or silver standard is worthless is a hallmark of the far right and the militia movement, said Mark Potok, who directs research on hate groups for the Southern Poverty Law Center.

“That idea is linked closely to the belief among militia supporters that the Federal Reserve is a completely private entity engaged in ripping off the American people,” Mr. Potok said.

But Mr. Loughner also posits in his Web postings the idea that the government is seeking to control people through rules and structure of grammar and language.

This is similar to the position of David Wynn Miller, 62, a former tool-and-die welder from Milwaukee who describes himself as a “Plenipotentiary-judge” seeking to correct, through a mathematical formula, what he sees as the erroneous and manipulative use of grammar and language worldwide. The Southern Poverty Law Center considers Mr. Miller a conspiracy theorist, some of whose positions have been adopted by militias in general.

“The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar,” Mr. Loughner said in a video. He also defiantly asserted, “You control your English grammar structure.”

Mr. Miller, in an interview, said the argument sounded familiar. “He’s probably been on my Web site, which has been up for about 11 years,” Mr. Miller said. “The government does control the schools, and the schools determine the grammar and language we use. And then it is all reinforced by newspapers, magazines, TV, radio and everything we do in society.”

Except the reporting on (1) is false, according to a DHS official who told Greg Sargent that “We have not established any such possible link.” And a leader at American Renaissance says he’s looked at his subscription logs and conference attendance for the last twenty years and finds no record of Loughner.

As for (2). Where to begin? How about with the Times’ sources. First there’s Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which lest we forget, is an organization that just labeled immigration restrictionist groups “hate groups” and issued an “alert” to law enforcement officials nationwide to fear for their lives when pulling over vehicles with right-wing bumper stickers.

Potok has a much sharper analytical mind than I, and has done some mighty quick and conclusive psychological profiling of Loughner. He cuts through the morass of utter nonsense in Loughner’s statements — most of which treat the concept of “currency” as a talismanic, metaphysical, and even supernatural catch-all — and seizes on a barely coherent remark about the gold and silver standards as evidence that Loughner was moved to action by monetary policy. 

The second source — who testifies to the congruence between Loughner’s indecipherable (and ungrammatical) proclamations on grammar and a fringe conspiracy theory that sees the world as controlled by primary school English teachers – is the author of said conspiracy theory. 

We don’t yet know whether and to what extent Loughner’s motives can be said to be political. But all the early evidence indicates that “political” is far too charitable a word to describe his disconnected utterances.

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   01/10/11 14:40

I tried to explain the concept of our monetary system to my 11 year old son a few months ago. I told him that the dollar is only worth what people feel it is worth. It's only a sign of confidence in our system.
I am glad he didn't quite understand that, wouldn't want him spouting off to a teacher and being accused of being some kind of extremist.......

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   01/10/11 14:44

The Southern PLC (your HAL is a pain when I tried to use the "usual abbv.) is looking for whoodoos to begin with but the statement:
Mr. Loughner states, “No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver.” He also argues that “the current government officials are in power for their currency” and he uses his videos to display text about becoming a treasurer of “a new money system.”
Sounds more like a Ronulan (Ron Paul supporter/wingnut) than a white-supremicist.

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   01/10/11 14:46

Daniel Foster wrote here:
“political” is far too charitable a word to describe his disconnected utterances.

The utterances of the nutty media, however, are very politically focused indeed.

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   01/10/11 14:46

re: #1...they may have a wider variety of viewpoints represented among their regular contributors, but seems to me FNC broadcasts contain about the same level of leftwing nonsense as the other MSM outlets do. Maybe with a bit more of a bias toward scandals (especially salacious ones) than a lockstep, follow-the-leftwing-narrative bias, but they're not much if any better than the rest anymore that I can see.

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Teflon93
   01/10/11 14:53

The question is not whether a story is true---it is whether or not Dan Rather WISHES it were.

Courage.

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Do some research
   01/10/11 15:26

Actually if you do some research..Loughner was a liberal. Or at one time was. Some of his former classmates said themselves he was democrat and liberal. They also said he was a pot-head. Also on his youtube channel under his favorite reading section he listed communist manifesto. A favorite video of his was the burning of an American flag.

The whole "he was a tea-bagging right wing nut" theory really ticked me off because it isn't true and should not be the focus currently. The focus should be supporting Family of the ones killed and lost and supporting the congresswoman. This just goes to show you the character of the Left and believe it or not I am an independent who just happened to research this for himself.

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Do some research
   01/10/11 15:28

Actually if you do some research..Loughner was a liberal. Or at one time was. Some of his former classmates said themselves he was democrat and liberal. They also said he was a pot-head. Also on his youtube channel under his favorite reading section he listed communist manifesto. A favorite video of his was the burning of an American flag.

The whole "he was a tea-bagging right wing nut" theory really ticked me off because it isn't true and should not be the focus currently. The focus should be supporting Family of the ones killed or injured and supporting the congresswoman. This just goes to show you the character of the Left and believe it or not I am an independent who just happened to research this for himself.

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   01/10/11 15:53

Every sane adult can recognize that raving about oppression by grammar is a sign this person was a complete fruitcake.

But the left lionized Jacques Derrida as one of the greatest thinkers of the modern world for propounding the thesis, in Of Grammatology, that an imaginary "logocentrism" effectively brainwashed the entire western world into becoming oppressive monsters. It was considered the height of wit and sophistication - and it is indistinguishable from the ravings of this complete fruitcake.

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Never Outraged
   01/10/11 16:54

I believe that in the Enlightenment era, some philosophers posited that there should be a calculus of grammar, in which true statements were grammatically correct, whereas false statements were grammatically incorrect. Thus, truth could be discerned from falsehood, by anyone who had an ear for grammar.

That did not go far. Can any readers say more on this subject?

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PRH
   01/10/11 16:56

I am WAY more of a liberal than either the writers or general commenters on The Corner on NRO, and while I disagree with some of Foster's points, I agree with the general argument. I think any attempts to decipher any political philosophy from his nonsense makes about as much sense as reading the entrails of roadkill for stock tips.

Regarding the review of the political rhetoric that this shooting has prompted: instead of finger-pointing about Palin's maps, Gore calling people "brownshirts", birthers, or hippies with Bush/Hitler signs, I think we all can do our part to try and dial the volume down, unless it's to applaud the intern who helped save Gifford's life and the citizens who restrained the shooter.

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Steven Johnson
   01/10/11 18:27

Never Outraged: Not sure when people stopped pursuing that dream, but Kurt Gödel proved that it is not possible for any non-trivial formal system (for example syntax rules but technically any system capable of describing the Peano Axioms a.k.a arithmetic with integers) to encode all true statements. For a mind-bending introduction see "Gödel Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid".

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 Chad
   01/10/11 18:53

The NYT piece does contain some truth, in those those two gripes Loughner has are symbolic of some far-right groups. What isn't pointed out is those very same gripes are symbolic of some far-left groups as well (i.e. Anarchists). And that, my friends, is media bias.

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   01/10/11 19:12

The NYT has an amazingly ignorant piece by Gail Collins on the Glock. They shut down the comments, so their is no way to respond on the website.

NYT"If Loughner had gone to the Safeway carrying a regular pistol, the kind most Americans think of when they think of the right to bear arms, Giffords would probably still have been shot and we would still be having that conversation about whether it was a sane idea to put her Congressional district in the cross hairs of a rifle on the Internet."

The Glock, which there are several versions of, is a "regular pistol" that I think of when I think "right to bare arms" it is standard issue for many police departments, The NYPD uses the glock 19, the FBI uses the glock 22 and 23. The outcome is just as likely if he were using a SIG Sauer or a Walther. The same article would be written for any "regular pistol" that is used by law enforcement.

NYT"Loughner’s gun, a 9-millimeter Glock, is extremely easy to fire over and over, and it can carry a 30-bullet clip. It is “not suited for hunting or personal protection,” said Paul Helmke, the president of the Brady Campaign. “What it’s good for is killing and injuring a lot of people quickly.”"

It is not the easiest handgun to fire, not all glocks have 30 round clips, in this case I did not hear how many rounds the shooter's gun carried, it doesn't really matter, if he has extra clips in his back pocket a person can reload in less than three seconds while moving, and you can probably get thirty round clips for other handguns, if not made by the gun maker then other parties. And you can get other handguns that are just as easy to fire over and over, if not easier. It is not a hunting rifle, but it is perfectly suited for self defense.
The killer just happened to use a glock. I don't think this Collins has ever been to a shooting range.

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 Huey
   01/11/11 10:31

We (on the Right) have fallen into the trap of pointing out that he had no links to the Tea Party, Sarah Palin or the GOP.

So what if he had? Would that make those groups or individuals any more culpable? I've heard that he read Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto. Again, so what? What we read, particularly books that are often used to gain historical perspective, do not tend to make us mass murderers.

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Burk
   01/11/11 11:41

The question is not whether he was/is affiliated with the tea party, it is whether tea party rhetoric and general right wing-nuttery is associated with this act and its motivations.

And it clearly is. Each of the shooter's motivations is traceable to right wing obsessions- the gold standard vs fiat currencies, "literacy" as a stand against immigration/urban culture, government mind control (note- not FOX mind control, which might have a left wing tint). Freedom to bear and use arms.

And who did he shoot? Someone in the "sights" of tea party. It all adds up to a damning indictment. The shooter was a honeypot for the bilge swirling around the right-wing cesspool.

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William Peterson
   01/11/11 12:05

Huey;
You're absolutly right. I have a copy of Mein Kampf on my bookshelf and pick it up occasionaly to remind myself of the horror of that mind. I would be more worried about people who close off their thinking so as to exclude writings of a contraversial nature. Forewarned is forearmed.

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liann
   01/14/11 06:17

i am not from US but from french currently based in germany
i am really horrified to see how many people in the world are nor reading Mein Kampf book without a kind of criticism behind their reading it is dangerous to make that so. I am in fond of germany and germans want to forget that history pages! So could just youth people care of what they make?!!

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