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Inconvenient Glaciers

Does this report “disprove” anthropogenic climate change? No.

Is it (yet another) reminder that global warming’s truest believers could do with a bit more humility? Yes.

And is it distinctly amusing? Well, judge for yourself.

Himalayan glaciers are actually advancing rather than retreating, claims the first major study since a controversial UN report said they would be melted within quarter of a century. Researchers have discovered that contrary to popular belief half of the ice flows in the Karakoram range of the mountains are actually growing rather than shrinking.

The discovery adds a new twist to the row over whether global warming is causing the world’s highest mountain range to lose its ice cover.

It further challenges claims made in a 2007 report by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that the glaciers would be gone by 2035.

Although the head of the panel Dr Rajendra Pachauri later admitted the claim was an error gleaned from unchecked research, he maintained that global warming was melting the glaciers at “a rapid rate”, threatening floods throughout north India.

The new study by scientists at the Universities of California and Potsdam has found that half of the glaciers in the Karakoram range, in the northwestern Himlaya, are in fact advancing and that global warming is not the deciding factor in whether a glacier survives or melts.

It’ll be interesting to hear what Pachauri has to say. Sadly, I doubt that it will include the words “I’ and “resign.”

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   01/28/11 09:49

No doubt the explanation will be that this was unexpected and therefore proves that 'climate change' - they don't call it 'global warming' any more - is even worse than feared.

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Carl Sommer
   01/28/11 09:56

Oh great! Global warming is causing lower temperatures at higher elevations, thus increasing the size of the glaciers! Major seaports will be landlocked, and the world supply of fresh water will decrease! This will lead to population dislocations and major wars over water! We're all going to die of thirst!

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   01/28/11 10:01

"Is it (yet another) reminder that global warming’s truest believers could do with a bit more humility? Yes."

I'd replace "humility" with "honesty and integrity".

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Gabriel Hanna
   01/28/11 10:27

All it says is that some of the Himalayan glaciers are better insulated and are not melting. The ones that aren't insulated are melting just like they are all over the world.

It doesn't do us any favors to spread misrepresentations.

Also in the Telegraph:

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"For a start, the study that made the discovery concluded – as lead researcher Dirk Scherler put it that - "overall in the Himalayas, the glaciers are retreating". What made the difference in the Karakoram was that many are covered in a layer of rubble that has eroded from the peaks, insulating the ice from the warmth of the sun. Where this layer was present the glaciers did not melt or even grew; where it was not the rate of retreat remained high.

Elsewhere in the world the retreat continues. Just last weekend, for example, it was announced that Greeenland's icesheet melted at a record rate in 2010 and studies show that most of the world's glaciers are shrinking."

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Gabriel Hanna
   01/28/11 10:33

Incidentally, even if the misrepesentation quoted by Andrew Stuttaford were accurate--why would Pachauri have to resign over it? Does he have a time machine and we can prove he knew how this study would come out before it was done?

Surely it's enough that we hold him responsible for the things he himself did, and not for things that are going to happen in the future.

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Mr. Sandmich
   01/28/11 10:41

Thanks for the note, but you should know by now that any climate debate with the greenies is 'heads I win, tails you lose'. Fortunately that argument doesn't have quite the same traction, thus the fading interest in the public.

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   01/28/11 10:56

As noted, no amount of warming or cooling in a range of a hundred years or more can prove or disprove any claim about a fundamentally warming or cooling climate. This does disprove two things, though. It disproves their claims that they have their facts straight and that they understand what they are talking about.

Pachauri has already proved that he is a bitter clinger.

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   01/28/11 11:11

I don't know, I could easily see Pachauri releasing a statement including both the words "I" & "resign" -- or even the phrase "I resign" itself:

I resign myself to the fact that horrid climate holocaust deniers like Andrew Stuttaford continue to ignore the plain truth of drastic climate change & the growing catastrophes it is causing the world over. Unless we immediately put dramatic limitations on the freedoms & indulgences of the lesser people of the world, we face certain doom as a species.

Draconian world government expressly empowered to subjugate the vast majority of the world's population -- particularly those of the so-called 'developed world' -- and force a return to the sensible, sustainable living standards humanity enjoyed throughout the alleged 'dark ages' is no longer just a worthwhile goal, it is now a moral imperative.

I therefore join with all right-thinking people in demanding an immediate end to industrial civilization & all of its destructive effects for anyone & everyone who is not a part of the global elite. That elite, of course, will regrettably have to continue to utilize the horrors of private jets, air conditioning, massive electricity usage & other crimes against the planet in their necessary role as stewards of Mother Gaia & repressors of the human infestation that threatens to destroy her.

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   01/28/11 11:19

Actually, those followers of the Green Religion (it is not a science) already have multiple (and changing) reasons why they are 'right,' no matter whether sea levels are rising or falling, and even if one could visibly see that continental glaciation was returning. Or, alternatively, if the ice caps were melting. Either one.

If this were actually a science, one would have to pose an hypothesis, make predictions based on the hypothesis, do honest observations, and then abandon or modidfy the hypothesis or upgrade it to a theory, based on the strength of the new observations.

Insulting personal attacks in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.....?

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 JPK
   01/28/11 11:29

"Elsewhere in the world the retreat continues. Just last weekend, for example, it was announced that Greeenland's icesheet melted at a record rate in 2010 and studies show that most of the world's glaciers are shrinking.""

So what? Tropical high level glaciers are dependent upon precipitation and wind patterns, not temperature. The surface temps are well below freezing at 15,000 feet -even in the tropics. Large circulation patterns such as the Walker Cell and ENSO, or for Greenland the NAO have more to do with the ebb and flow of glaciers than does CO2 concentrations. And not one scientist can positively tie Greenhouse Gases to the workings of any of these circulation patterns.

The glaciers have been in retreat since the coldest decades of the Little Ice Age (1620s-1700). Global temps have been increasing for over 300 years. Geologists found several Roman artifacts in the morraine of melted glaciers in Switzerland. Those artifacts date back to Christ's time. Archeologists in many recently open passes in France and Switzerland found artifacts from Catholic Pilgrims. Those date to over 1000 years ago. This evidence points to the fact that these glaciers grow and wane 2-3 times over a period of 2000 years.

We also know from historical evidence that it takes less 200 years for glaciers to grow significantly (see the both the Franz Josef Glacier and various Austrian, Swiis, and French glaciers). Villages and pasture lands in Switzerland were destroyed in large numbers in the Alpine regions from the 14th through the 18th Century. And incidently, the majority of glaciers that disappeard in Glacier National Park were less than 400 years old.

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   01/28/11 11:31

@ blighter

That was one of the funniest things I have ever read. It also has the ring of truth. I think the people you satirize actually think that way.

I also think that Al Gore should allow himself to be tied to a tree near Edmonton, Alberta, to act as a sort of Climatic Distant Early Warning ("DEW") Line for the Return of the next Ice Age. If his rantings are correct, he should instead be warm and comfy, or at least as comfy as one can be, tied to a tree.

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   01/28/11 12:25

"Does this report “disprove” anthropogenic climate change? No."

Not alone, maybe, but how many reports like this, in which the alarmists predictions turn out to not only be wrong but a full 180 degrees off of what actually happens (record snowfalls in places they predicted would never see snow again; seal levels falling; glaciers growing) will it take before the cumulative weight of wrongness finally gets people to admit that they don't know what they're talking about.

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   01/28/11 14:48

The Indian media's attitude towards warmodoom seemed to be that it was a serious problem which the US should do something about promptly. Pachauri seems like a good representative.

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irv
   01/28/11 16:21

"All it says is that some of the Himalayan glaciers are better insulated and are not melting"

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

I hate to break this to you but the theory of anthropogenic global warming doesn't include an explanation for "insulation" from its effects.

This is one of the big things that makes the theory look like mere wishful thinking; when people make stuff up to explain why observed evidence never seems to match the previously declared absolutely certain effects.

But thanks for the laugh!

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Byron Dom
   01/28/11 22:14

The cited Telegraph article misquotes and draws erroneous conclusions from the study paper that it cites. Here's a link to that paper: External Link .

According to the abstract (which you can read on the web page) 65% of the Himalayan glaciers are retreating, but in some regions some glaciers are stable and a few are even advancing. The cited reason for this is that they are insulated by layers of debris on their surfaces.

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mwbugg
   01/30/11 14:59

I suggest you try this link for a fuller explanation:

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