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Chris Christie FTW

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Amtrak is proposing a $13.5 billion project that will include building two commuter rail tunnels from New Jersey to New York by 2020, replacing a $9.7 billion project that New Jersey Republican Governor Chris Christie killed.

The so-called Gateway project would allow New Jersey Transit and Amtrak to increase commuter rail capacity 65 percent by adding 13 and eight trains per hour, respectively, at peak times into New York, according to a statement today from Senator Frank Lautenberg, a New Jersey Democrat.

“The Gateway Project is a vision for our future that will shorten commutes, create jobs, increase property values and grow New Jersey’s economy,” Lautenberg said in the statement.

The Gateway tunnels would connect to an expanded Penn Station in New York with seven additional tracks, increasing intercity and high-speed rail access in the Northeast Corridor. Amtrak’s plan also calls for replacing a 100-year-old bridge and doubling the number of tracks between Newark, New Jersey, and Penn Station.

Amtrak spokesman Steve Kulm called the project “a necessary part of Amtrak’s vision for bringing high-speed rail to the Northeast Corridor.” More than two out of every three travelers through the region passes through New York, he said.

[. . .]

Amtrak would spend $50 million on preliminary engineering and design work and take the lead in finding other funding sources, according to the statement. Possible contributors include the states of New York and New Jersey; New York City; New Jersey Transit, New York’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, as well as private investors, it said.

So to review: Facing budget deficits as far as the eye could see, Governor Christie killed the $9.7 billion ARC tunnel, citing near guaranteed cost overruns (funny that Amtrak — which will actually have to go fundraise — came in with a much bigger $13.5 billion estimate), and rightly complaining that the state of New Jersey would be bearing the brunt of the costs for a project the principal aim of which was to more efficiently transport tax revenue across the Hudson into New York. The response, especially from Lautenberg and his co-delegate Sen. Bob Menendez (D.), was apoplectic. At the time I recall Christie relating to NBC’s Brian Williams a last-ditch phone call he received from New York mayor Mike Bloomberg, the upshot of which was Christie telling Bloomberg that if he wanted the tunnel so badly he should take out his checkbook.

Now, a(n admittedly public) corporation will be taking on the project, ponying up the preliminary costs and doing the capital raising. New Jersey — and New York, and the Port Authority, and (imagine!) private investors — will be able to run the cost-benefit analyses and determine their exposure to the project. There is still plenty of time for this to go bad and plenty of room for massive waste on the taxpayer’s dime, but it’s hard to see how this isn’t a significantly better outcome for Governor Christie and the people of New Jersey.

UPDATE: Here’s a partial transcript from Governor Christie’s presser today:

Governor Chris Christie: Well, I find it fascinating, I hope you all do too because remember the descriptions of ARC. There’s some dispute I’d say about how long a generation actually is, right? People say a generation, how long that is. In New Jersey as it applies to this a generation is three months. ARC is all a once-in-a-generation project. All I said at the time were things that apparently were confirmed in the main by the press conference today. They’re advocating the Amtrak plan because they say that the feds should take the lead. I said the feds should take the lead if they thought the project was that important. I said that it was a stupid idea to have a tunnel go to the basement of Macys, and on the whole, the Amtrak tunnel is going to go to an expanded Penn Station under the plan that I saw today. Today, they touted this plan as ‘having better control over cost overruns.’ But the thing I find interesting about that is that these are the very same people who are saying months ago that I was fabricating the cost overruns. That they didn’t really exist. Someone better get to Chairman Wisniewski quickly so he can amend his talking points. Because now the Democratic United States Senators  are now saying that this project will have better control over cost overruns, that they were claiming months ago didn’t exist. Listen, I’ve said all along I think we need a second tunnel underneath the Hudson River I said at the time we should partner with Amtrak to do it. I was told by Senator Lautenberg, Senator Menendez and others  that it’s impossible. Takes thirty years for it to happen. I was also told that the work on ARC that was done already would have no use for anything. Yet if you look at the path that this new tunnel is taking, it’s almost identical to the path that ARC is taking and I think that they even said today  that they’d find some of the engineering studies and other work that was done would be useful to ARC. It’s interesting to me too. I’m glad I didn’t rush to pay that bill that the FTA sent. I mean, I’m thrilled that there’s movement on this. I’m happy at the appropriate time, to sit down with the folks who are in charge of it to see what role if any the state of New Jersey might be able to play to help it along. But I hope all of you are taking note of all the dire predictions that were made and how wrong I was to have cancelled this. And now today the taxpayers of New Jersey are protected and you have real talk about a federal lead on a project that should have been a federal project all along and that if there are going to be contributions from the states, there are going to be contributions from all the states that benefit. Not just the State of New Jersey and its taxpayers which was the ARC plan. Sometimes, to make real change happen, you have to stand up and be counted and make the tough decisions and if I had been intimidated by all the rhetoric from all the folks who were shooting at us at the time, the taxpayers of New Jersey would be on the hook for untold billions of dollars. Now, they will, I hope if this plan works benefit from having a second mass-transit tunnel under the Hudson River, have it go to a place where it can actually connect with the east side of New York. Have it go to a place where they can connect with other mass transit, and have it done in a way that will be protective of cost overruns because the feds in fact would be the people in charge. And why would you ever want a separate Amtrak tunnel and a separate New Jersey Transit tunnel? It never made any sense anyway. So I’m thrilled to see it. I’ve had about a half-hour to review, because I know all of you were rushing from that as well, I’ve had a half-hour to review it, but I’m glad that a generation’s time passed in three months. And I would suggest to you that the reason it did is because the leadership of the State of New Jersey stood up for the people of the State of New Jersey and said we are not going to be the patsies who pick up the tab for this. And now for a number of partners for all this if it fleshes out and if there’s a need for us to do it I’ll be happy to consider it in the context of fairness to the taxpayers of New Jersey. And I hope all those commuters who were yelling and screaming, who felt nothing would ever happen if I did this, now understand that I was doing it for a reason. Because it wasn’t a good deal for New Jersey, and we can do better and this Amtrak deal seems like it’s the beginning of a better deal. And to the extent they played a constructive role in it I want to congratulate Senator Menendez and Senator Lautenberg as well, for them stepping up to the plate for performing their function as federal representatives, pivoting to try to find a better way, and I look forward to working with them as we go forward to try to make this a reality.

[follow-up question from reporter]

Lisa: …. Does that mean there’s money available?

Governor Christie: As we speak, here, at the moment, no. When a tunnel might  actually, eventually, have to be done and the money to be put on the table, maybe. We’ll see what the deal is.  We’ll see what’s good for the taxpayers of the state. So, we’ll see. But as we sit here today, no. If they asked me for a check today, the answer is no.

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   02/07/11 15:19

All along I thought progressives grew up watching Star Trek (Classic and New-G). Turns out it was effin' Supertrain:

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 ds
   02/07/11 15:23

What's extra-special about today's announcement is that Christie was worried about 2-4 billion in cost overruns in the ARC project. Now Amtrak's proposing a similar project that's going to cost...drumroll...4 billion more than the ARC project.

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   02/07/11 15:37

Well, the The Frank R. Lautenberg Secaucus Junction Station (not kidding!) at Exit 15X on the New Jersey Turnpike will have even more trains flowing through it.

I guess if you are a senator with a big train station named after you, then you have to either support Amtrack or appear ungrateful.

That Christie is pretty sharp! FTW indeed.

(And it's amazing that "FTW" got through the NRO Commenter Naughty Word Filter. One could say that it means "For the Win"; but there is an alternate definition that is equally popular among the hip-hop set.)

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   02/07/11 15:38

Sounds like a great project, shouldn't be too hard find 100% private financing to go along with financing from the taxpayers of NJ and NY. What, you can't find the private capital to go along w/ that kicked in by the taxpayers of NJ and NY? What, you can't even get NJ taxpayers to kick in? No problem, call it "An Investment" and we can get taxpayers from all 57 (sic) states to kick in.

I'd love to see a vote on de-funding Amtrack, NPR, etc. just to find out which GOP Representatives and Senators would actually vote for it. That way, we will know who wants a primary challenge when they are up for re-election.

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   02/07/11 15:39

er, that's "Amtrak," not "Amtrack." FTW.

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   02/07/11 15:42

What ought to happen: The Amtrak Northeast Corridor Line, which makes money, should be sold for a nice chunk of change. Then, the rest of Amtrak should be shut down.

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   02/07/11 15:48

I honestly don't see how this will help anything or anyone. The commuter trains runs just fine, although many take the bus which runs a little better. So a high speed rail will go from DC to Philly to NYC to Boston? How much speed can it get?
FYI - That Lautenburg station in Secaucus really screwed things up, it was also part of a huge light rail boondogle in NJ. The nice thing about that station is that it's built in the swamp and at low tide is smells almost as bad as it's namesake's politics!

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   02/07/11 15:58

Thank you governor Christie, for once again saving NJ...although if the "57 states" pick up the tab, as a NJ citizen it wouldn't bother me so much. If I can't get a tax cut, at least I can get a useless public works project in my state.

The truth is that 33 cents of every dollar of federal taxes collected from a NJ Federal Taxpayer goes to subsidize the other 57 states. Before Obama this used to be 50 states, but still annoying. While I would prefer the other 33 cents just plug our budget holes (after Christie finishes slashing it). What is clear is that NJ Democrats, specifically our Senators who have all been Democrats for the past 30 years, have been a blessing for the other states!

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SeanMcG
   02/07/11 16:02

Now, I really like traveling by rail, but Amtrak, High-speed rail and profitability are abject strangers. Even if there is a private corporation involved in this project, Amtrak is still there as well. Why should the American taxpayers continue to throw money into Amtrak, especially now?

Someone make the business case, but do not bring up comparisons to Japan, Europe or China simply on "see, they can do it" excuse. China also built a Great Wall, should we? (well, maybe to the south)

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kazoolist
   02/07/11 16:17

It's unclear to me ... is all the work being discussed for improvements soley between Newark and Penn Station? If so, the projected cost is nearly 1 billion dollars per mile. (!!!)

To achieve the efficiency of cars of about $0.20 per passenger mile, let's assume a train's average capacity is 500 people. That's 10 million trips required (and you need to make the very-false assumption that there are no variable costs or additional fixed costs of than this outlay of $13.5b) involved to get to $0.20/psgr-mi.

Even if you had trains departing both ends every 6 minutes, and you ran with that frequency 24x7, it would take 57 years to get to that 10 million trips.

Will this rail "investment" last 10 years? 20? 57?!

Chris Christie FTW, indeed. And, High speed rail ... that's more describable by a similar acronym... something like like W.(in) T.(he) F.(uture)...

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   02/07/11 16:33

Does anyone even claim that the DEMAND for high-speed commuter rail exists to justify increasing the supply? I know tons of people in NJ who commute to Manhattan for work, and NONE OF THEM will hop a commuter rail, because they prefer the minor luxury of being on their own schedule.

High-speed rail is one of those progressive brain children the sentiment behind which supposedly justifies the high cost.

For example, "closing Gitmo". The sanctimonious and Anti-American justification of ending the imagined US violations of human rights and pernicious violations of the Geneva Conventions faded into the cold, hard reality of unleashing hundreds of hard-core recidivist jihadists back into circulation.

Or, "ethanol subsidies". Pay people to blend regular fuel with corn-based fuel. This, to save the planet! (A more effective rally cry to justify such an endless stream of taxpayer obligations and government mandates has never been formulated.) Well, the planet experiences a net drain to its ecosystems, the price of fuel goes up, and the price of food travels northward, too.

Or, NJ and other states have implemented commuter lanes in the left lanes on highways, for cars carrying more than one person. This was to encourage car-pooling, again in magnanimous efforts to save the planet! Net result: no one car-pools, the left lane is empty, and the right two or three lanes are more congested, raising everyone's commute times.

Oh, the list is endless. Like, say, creating a new government entitlement program to provide 32 million people with health care insurance, which will LOWER the government's budget deficit.

Progressives propose this stuff for two reasons: 1) Their supposed magnanimity makes them feel good about themselves; and 2) they never stop to consider the consequences of their ideas, because of the sentiments mentioned in #1.

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   02/07/11 18:43

I take issue with madisonian.

As a nation, we must consider survival before luxury. Let's make sure we've got food, energy and a strong defense. Drill here .. drill now .. and use this resource efficiently. If mass sums of folks are going to the same place and returning at the same time, then why waste the gas .. be a responsible citizen and take the bus or train. It's all about getting to B from A.

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Andrew the B
   02/07/11 18:59

kazoolist:

Yes, its from Newark to Penn Station. The existing line must go from two tracks to four tracks to make the scheme work. As the existing line was built around 1905 and will be in operation for the foreseeable future, I'd imagine that the useful life of the project will be beyond the lifetime of your great grand-children - just a hunch.

Not sure where you get your passenger count figures from or car efficiency. If gas is $3 per gallon and you get about 20 mpg, that is 15 cents per passenger mile right there for a single occupancy vehicle, and we haven't yet embarked on the costs of the vehicle or the road. As to riders, Amtrak carries about 20,000+ people per day in an out of NYC and NJT does well over 50,000. For the sake of simple math, lets call it 100,000 total. Obviously its 100 days to reach 10 million riders at 100,000 per day.

The better question is how the growing multitudes of this region will be getting around without a project like this. There are no new Lincoln Tunnels on the horizon, no new super bypasses of the GW Bridge, but traffic across the Hudson continues to rise every year. You can see it by either riding the ever more crowded trains or driving the ever more congested roads.

To achieve the efficiency of cars of about $0.20 per passenger mile, let's assume a train's average capacity is 500 people. That's 10 million trips required (and you need to make the very-false assumption that there are no variable costs or additional fixed costs of than this outlay of $13.5b) involved to get to $0.20/psgr-mi.

Even if you had trains departing both ends every 6 minutes, and you ran with that frequency 24x7, it would take 57 years to get to that 10 million trips.

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   02/07/11 19:01

They will never build this one either.

The numbers will never work. Unfortunately they will still spend plenty of taxpayer money on it however. There will be little to no interest from the private sector, only insuring that only public money is involved.

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Paul Kotik
   02/07/11 19:16

The problem with riding commuter trains, Carlosincal, is having to sit with people like you. You want to forage with the herd, well, enjoy. I'll stay with my car no matter what.

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   02/07/11 19:49

Well, in a way this is another great win for Gov. Christie. And in a parochial NJ sense, especially so. But I can't help but notice that Amtrak is taking the lead on this. That guarantees that this thing will be a costly boondogle (sp?), if it ever DOES get built. As a US (not just NJ) taxpayer, that does not make me very happy. Now, Gov. Christie can not control Amtrak or the feds, so he did not wrong here. But the Amtrak waste-a-thon goes on, apparently unabated. If the NE corridor (or any other part of Amtrak) makes economic sense unsubsidized, sell it to a profit-or-loss company. Same with the rest of Amtrak, but I doubt any other part stands any chance at all.

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   02/07/11 19:50

"Or, NJ and other states have implemented commuter lanes in the left lanes on highways, for cars carrying more than one person."

New Jersey ditched their HOV lanes in 1998.

Jersey drivers don't use their turn signals either. They don't want you to know where they're going. It's none of your business.

Oh, speaking of high-speed rail, did you know that Japan's "bullet trains" were initially developed with private money?

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Tom D
   02/07/11 20:28

It should be pointed out that the NARP, the pro-Amtrak pro-high speed rail association, was always against the tunnels that Gov. Christie cancelled. It always favored the Amtrak proposal, and rightly saw the transit tunnels as at best a waste of money and at worst an impediment to the Amtrak long term plan.

Gov. Christie not only did a favor for the taxpayers of New Jersey, but a favor for all Americans.

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   02/07/11 20:39

kazoolist,

Check your math. If each train carries 500 passengers, and 10 trains leave per hour (i.e., every 6 minutes) from each direction, that would be 10,000 passengers an hour, or 240,000 passengers a day (again, assuming your 24/7 operation). Under those assumptions, to reach 10 million trips would take only 42 days.

Of course, I don't think you mean 10 million. Under the assumption that it would be about 13 miles, then a $.20 per mile subsidy would mean you'd need something like 208 million trips to make the project profitable. At a more reasonable assumption of 100,000 passengers a day, it becomes profitable after about 5.7 years.

For government projects, not bad. If, in fact, it costs just $13.5 billion.

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Guy Jones
   02/07/11 20:45

And as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, we can expect the initial cost estimate of $13.5 billion to rise considerably as the unions drag the project construction out and inflate costs, as they are wont to do on major public works projects...

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