James Clapper is the director of national intelligence, so he must know what he’s talking about.
I mean, who are you going to believe? DNI Clapper or the Muslim Brotherhood’s “Supreme Guide,” Muhammad Badi, who said it was his hope and plan to raise “a jihadi generation that pursues death, just as the enemies pursue life”? Kamal al-Halbavi, a senior member of the Brotherhood, was probably just kidding around when he told the BBC the other day that he hoped Egypt soon would have a government “like the Iranian government, and a good president like Mr. Ahmadinejad.” (These guys just have a wicked sense of humor.) I have more on this in my NRO piece today.
Also, it’s useful to remember how, back in 1979, the intel community, the diplomatic corps, and the major media were absolutely spot on about the revolution in Iran. For example:
● President Carter’s U.N. ambassador, Andrew Young, called Khomeini “some kind of saint.”
● William Sullivan, the U.S. ambassador in Tehran, compared Khomeini to Gandhi.
● A State Department spokesman worried about the possibility of a military coup, saying that would be “most dangerous for U.S. interests. It would blow away the moderates and invite the majority to unite behind a radical faction.”
● On Feb. 12, 1979, Time magazine reported
. . . a sense of controlled optimism in Iran. . . . Iranians will surely insist that the revolution live up to its democratic aims. . . . Those who know [Khomeini] expect that eventually he will settle in the Shi’ite holy city of Qum and resume a life of teaching and prayer. It seems improbable that he would try to become a kind of Archbishop Makarios of Iran, directly holding the reins of power. Khomeini believes that Iran should become a parliamentary democracy, with several political parties.
● A New York Times editorial reassured readers that “moderate, progressive individuals” were advising Khomeini. The Times predicted the Ayatollah would provide “a desperately needed model of humane governance for a third-world country.”
More in the piece I wrote for NRO a year ago.
Clapper is delusional and that is SO SCARY to me!
What kind of foolishness is this? Does he really think he only a few know the truth about the Muslim Brotherhood?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYup, the return of Khomeini to Iran turned our real well for the Iranians and also for us! How many days were we held hostage?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseOf course, at the time, moderates were actually advising Khomeini. The reconstituted National Front was invovled in the Islamic revolution, as well as the hardline leftovers from Tudeh and other Marxist groups and a miscellany of secularist student groups. The problem is that Khomeini's militias had guns, and none of the other groups did.
It wasn't until 1981, when Khomeini was finally secure in having a monopoly on the use of force, that he purged every secular element involved in the Islamic revolution. This is not to say that a more moderate Iranian government would have been more amenable to American interests than the present one (the Marxists were Soviet-affiliated and the Nat'l Front hated us for thirty years of SAVAK) but rather than it's not untrue, in 1979, that Khomeini was being advised by moderates.
This is, of course, the long way around to arguing the main difference between Iran and Egypt. In Iran, Islamists had a post-revolutionary monopoly on the use of force, which they then used to purge their competitors. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood appears not to have trained paramilitaries, and the army is not unambiguously supporting the current regime.
Consequently, if the military facilitates a transition, we're more likely to end up with something like Turkey or Honduras: a country where illiberal military prerogatives are enshrined in the Constitution, but where those prerogatives operate in parallel to a functioning civil society. Because this is an Islamic society, that civil society will of course include Islamists, but I don't see a clear route to one-party consolidation in Egypt, as happened in Iran (with the Khomeinists) or Russia (with the Bolsheviks.)
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseDon't you folks know polls show a significant majority of Egyptians favor the Muslim Brotherhood. Wake up! We're engaged in an ideological war more terrifying and much more dangerous to the West than Marxism. Masked in religion and steeped in history and tradition, Islam is far more stable than Marxism and vastly more threatening to our way of life. If you think I'm extreme, wait a while. I'm confident my estimations of Islam and its adherents are correct.
I've said, often, there is no moderate Islam, there are no moderate Muslims. There is only Islam. There are only Muslims. Do you understand the meaning of the name?
As I've also pointed out, adherents fear retribution for any slight of the religion, or its founder and cannot leave it on pain of death. No wonder the thing has spread so rapidly and continues to grow exponentially. It's like the acid blood in the monster of "Alien". Do anything to hurt it and you die. It's ingenious. Its leaders discovered a perfect method to ensure perfect loyalty, or, as they portray it, perfect faith. No Muslim dare abdicate the faith and they are bound to support its objective of worldwide domination. It's the evil mirror image of Christ's admonition to go into the world and preach, not by force, but by the Spirit.
Call me extreme. Doesn't hurt. I'm certain I'm right. What may hurt is the ignorance and denial of my country's leaders and its people.
I only seek to have Islam be officially recognized for what it is: a political ideology masked as a religion, so we can deal with it appropriately. If it is deemed dangerous to our way of life, then we take appropriate and lawful measures to protect ourselves.
We allow Communists, Nazis and other groups to function here, but when their function threatens Constitutional freedoms and advocates for any government other than our Constitutional government, we draw the line. That's all I want is to ensure Muslims in this country and abroad are thwarted in their goal to undermine our way of life, our liberty.
I assure you, this is what they desire. Certainly, there are those that play a more active role in this object than others, but every Muslim, like every Communist, or Nazi, is a potential instrument of his ideology and a potential threat to our liberty by virtue of their avowed belief. It is not a religion of peace. It is an ideology of conquest that uses its concept of God to legitimize its tactics and ultimate goal.
Islam is unlike any other threat the world has known. It is insidious, because we come from a culture that embraces liberty and, above all, freedom of worship. How better to steal away our liberty than through such a wicked mechanism.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseTyhmaplanet, that sort of Mad Libs Bircherism has no more place in the National Review of the 21st century than its predecessor did in the 20th. There are plenty of moderate Muslims. They may not be a majority in many places, but they do, in fact, exist. Are the Muslim soldiers that have fought and died for our country merely carrying out a sophisticated ruse?
As to Egypt: the Muslim Brotherhood may win in whatever elections follow the Mubarak government. But not to put too fine a point on it, even if they win, the Egyptian military will still have all the guns. I cannot imagine a situation where, if the army remains neutral until Mubarak is deposed, the military will lose its effective monopoly on the use of force.
You might also note that this has gone too far to go back. Tahrir Square is a problem which, to an army with no moral compunctions about doing so, be solved with overwhelming force. It's people with guns killing and arresting people without. But instead, Mubarak appears to have called up thugs with baseball bats. This indicates to me that the military is politely declining his orders.
A dictator without an army is not a dictator. If Mubarak, or his designated successor, remains, he will be irrevocably compromised. The government that follows will likely be hostile to the United States. That's a pity. Even if intermittently Islamist, it will probably be better for Egyptians. That's good.
Given the choice between our interests and a potentially failed Egyptian democracy, we might reasonably choose either. However, short of a full-scale invasion to prop up a dictator that can't even control his own army, we don't have that choice. We can either lie about Mubarak's record (which involves ordering people to be raped to death) while trying to prop him up or we can try to get the people with guns to facilitate a possible transition to a democracy.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseClapper needs to resign or be fired. It should have happened a couple weeks ago after his dismal performance in the Diane Sawyer interview.
Citizens should demand more intelligence officials, especially in a post 9/11 world. There should be outrage over the conflicting statements that Clapper et al. gave yesterday. This is pathetic.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse@ Andreas - please define "moderate muslim"
A) If your meaning of moderate is anything like my there are too many indications that moderate muslims are far too rare.
B) Your lame insults at posters pointing out this real, existential, threat amount to you holding your ears and crying "nana nana na na" when confronted with facts you find scary. How many times must we hear imam, after imam, after arab leader, after imam, after persian leader declare the heart-felt desire to crush our form of society and government before you stop calling lovers of freedom names for the terrible crime of taking muslim leaders at their word?
Your denial of plain facts regarding muslim goals is even more dangerous than the luke warm shoulder shrugging of the so-called moderate muslims.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThis isn't so hard to figure out. Take them at their word for it that they mean to install a hard line islamic government in Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood will be in control. This is what happens when you have academic eggheads at the helm of our intelligence agencies that would rather look at "data" rather than simply taking the radical's word for it that they mean business. As they state in their own constitution, they love death more than we love life. Isn't hard to figure out what they have in store for Egypt and the middle east in general.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseClapper and his associates, and we, too, ought to reflect on this, from the Muslim Brotherhood;
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