If the absent Democratic state senators in Wisconsin don’t return soon, they will face fines of $100 per day starting Friday.
This is just the latest in a series of measures designed to entice the senators back to the state. Republicans have also stopped direct deposit on the senators’ paychecks and banned their staffers from using the copy machines.
The new measure could also lead to the senators losing their discretionary spending accounts and parking spaces.
100.00 is a paltry amount and won't influence the missing Senators one bit. If they raised it to 1000.00 a day, then that might get some results. I'm in Wisconsin and I'm not convinced that the GOP (including Walker) has the spine to do what it takes to win this fight.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseToo little. If they're worried about political fallout for being "mean," I think it would be much more politically damaging if the GOP has to come back and increase this fine later on. They might just as well have made it $500 or $1,000 now, and be darn sure language is in there to prohibit it from being paid with political contributions, and at least one of these yahoos would crack and come back.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAt what point can the Wisconsin call a special election to fill the abandoned seats?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe fine is silly. Why not do the following if they've abandoned their jobs?
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse- Furlough all their staff. Obviously they're not needed.
- Have their main office line go to a "try again later; maybe I'll have returned from vacation" message.
- Suspend any email, cell phone, and other accounts.
All this is doing is turning them into martyrs. They'll claim their principles are more important than a few paychecks and a $100 fine, and it will embolden their supporters. There needs to be consequences for failing to show up to work, not a few slaps on the wrist.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseDoes anyone know why the state Senate hasn't simply passed the collective bargaining provision as a stand-alone, detatched from the budget process? I understood so long as it wasn't a budget item, a quorum wasn't necessary.
Any reason other than lack of gonads? I can't imagine it would be more politically painful than dragging this out. Sorry to say, we're losing the PR battle here pretty badly because we've let unions frame this as being about "worker rights" rather than their unwillingness to give up cushy benefits in a time of austerity.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"Does anyone know why the state Senate hasn't simply passed the collective bargaining provision as a stand-alone, detatched from the budget process? I understood so long as it wasn't a budget item, a quorum wasn't necessary."
The honest truth is that Scott Walker is an extremely un-confrontational guy. He could have passed that stand alone, but won't. He could fire the staffs, but won't. He could have made the fines large, but didn't. He could have announced the layoffs, but keeps pushing it back. He's just too nice a guy to do what it takes to win this, imo.20
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abusethey should make the 100 fines retroactive, starting the day they left for Indiana.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhat about the keys to the executive washroom, I'm sure that'll do it.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseShawn - I have the same question, plus another.
Why not pass "right to work" lesgislation as well.
Let's see all those vitriolic protesters hold up signs justifying the denial of others the dignity to work without paying off a union for the privilege.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI want to see them enact a voter ID bill --- required ID to vote. And any related measures to stop the fraud and abuse, particularly in Madison.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abusemypalfish, if that is true, it was idiotic to start this fight in the first place if he wasn't prepared to see it through. If he lets himself and the party get this bloodied for what he had to knew was going to be a death match and gets nothing for it, his career is over. And he'll deserve it.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI don’t see how this is a PR win for the Dems and PEUs.
The Dem Senators are the ones who picked up their football and stomped away; it’s not exactly a portrait of responsible, bi-partisan government that they claim to crave. Going with at standalone bill would break the logjam, but I think it’s important to call their bluff and make them slink back in shame. Otherwise, they will claim they won some sort of moral victory and be tempted to repeat this tactic when the next hot button issue comes up.
With respect to the PEUs, the longer this drags out the better. The issue is finally getting real play and the general public is starting to realize just how cushy these government jobs are and how spoiled these so called 'public servants' are.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"Prod" seems more apt than "entice".
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWell, I wouldn't be surprised if tin two weeks they don't raise it more. I have a feeling the Republicans have plans to ratchet up the pressure more and more. I'm certain this is just another match under their toes. I agree, they should have made it at least $200 a day, but anything above that would be more than they make in pay.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI live in Wisconsin and I agree 100% with BK in TX. What a great suggestion! Oh and to Mr. Walker; Please stay the course, Wisconsin is WITH YOU!
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"Oh no! Not the parking spaces! We must come back!"
I only see two reasons why Walker isn't trying to harder to get them or take advantage of their absence.
1. He thinks he's winning the PR battle. If this is the case, he'll allow them to stay out as long as they won't, thinking it will just bury them deeper. He may also be worried that taking advantage of their absence will be portrayed as sneaky and villainous by a complicit media.
2. He has no spine. It's going to take a lot to convince me of this one. If he had no spine, he wouldn't have taken on unions in the first place.
I just hope he’s calculating correctly.
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30 days and they are considered VACANT and replacement elections begin.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI like the strategy. The fine is about the size of the per diem ($88/day, I think) which, it seems, the state senators are collecting despite not being in Madison. The quorum for non-budgetary measures is 1/2, so a lot of business can still get accomplished and I think merely governing the state would send a powerful message. Meanwhile, recall efforts are underway against a handful of the absent senators and it would be hilarious to see my local guy (Bob Wirch - Kenosha), for example, try to campaign for himself out of Rockford, IL. That's real democracy. The squatters in the capitol will look more and more lonesome, and the missing senators will get more and more nervous about their caucus cracking. Either they come crawling back to Madison and vote to pass the budget fix, or, as the days drag into weeks and the weeks into months we'll see Republicans governing as best they can and Democrats hiding out, running up hotel bills and making appearances 'From an undisclosed location just across the border'. More important, the public-employee unions will get more and more scrutiny from those of us who pay their salaries and benefits.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWalker has taken the position all along that all of the provisions are essential to his budget -- not just the wage and benefit provisions. And of course he's right. It's the work rules more than anything else that kills productivity and raises costs in state government. If he pulled those out and passed them as a stand-alone bill, he'd be going back on everything he's said up to now.
As to whether Walker is tough enough to see this through, we'll have to wait and see. But I understand that he was plenty tough when he was Milwaukee County Executive. Screaming and yelling does not = toughness; often just the opposite.
Meantime the Ohio bill is moving along toward passage, and the unions are now spending money to bus in people to protest Christie's budget in NJ. Time and patience, patience and time.
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