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Libya Commentary

In this morning’s column, I argue against intervention in Libya’s internal strife — a battle proponents of intervention portray as the incorrigibly terrorist anti-American Qaddafi regime (known up until about 10 minutes ago as a staunch U.S. anti-terror ally) versus the “rebels” (the term used to obscure the fact that Qaddafi’s opposition includes the Muslim Brotherhood and other anti-American Islamists). I’ve been following the commentary with interest, including NRO’s excellent symposium this morning and the characteristically thoughtful commentary of folks like Daniel Pipes, Bill KristolPete Wehner, Richard Perle, and Bret Stephens — all of whom appear to favor intervention, some more tepidly than others. Three points about some of the main pro-intervention arguments:

1. Proponents point repeatedly to what Michael Rubin describes as “President Bush’s 1991 decision to stand idle as Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein crushed the Shiite revolt,” a decision that Michael — like Bret Stephens and Josh Muravchik, to cite just two — argues that we are still paying for. I don’t see Libya as comparable to Iraq in 1991.

The shameful aspect of the latter was that the Bush 41 administration actively encouraged the Iraqi people to rise up and overthrow a dictator who was then a clear enemy of the U.S. (indeed, one we had just driven out of Kuwait). By contrast, we haven’t done anything whatsoever to urge Libyans to overthrow Qaddafi. There is no similar implied moral obligation. If anything, we have spent the last several years discouraging Qaddafi’s opposition by reinventing him as a statesman, providing him with a modest amount of foreign aid, contributing to charities controlled by his family, and encouraging U.S. businesses to “partner” with his regime. Those were all stupid things to do, to be sure. But the relevant point is that, from the perspective of what the “rebels” could fairly infer from U.S. conduct, Qaddafi 2011 is not Saddam 1991. We haven’t done anything to incite a Libyan revolt; Libyans decided to do that themselves, and we don’t owe them any help. How much, if any, effort and sacrifice we ought to make on their behalf depends strictly on how American interests are affected. 

2. Another increasingly popular contention is that because President Obama has made a public declaration that Qaddafi must go, we must make good on this pronouncement for the sake of American credibility — a point stressed by John Hannah, Jamie Fly, and Elliott Abrams, among others. But Obama and his administration make a lot of fitful, incoherent, contradictory, and empty pronouncements (on which, see Michael Ledeen today at Pajamas). By the logic of their argument, Messers. Hannah, Fly, and Abrams should have rallied behind the teetering Egyptian regime, since the administration wagered America’s credibility on propping up Mubarak before the president jabbed a moistened finger in the breeze and finally decided the dictator had to go. And Mr. Obama clearly decided that Iranians did not rate our support against their monstrous regime because that would have disturbed the strategy of negotiations and “mutual respect” behind which the president decided to stack American credibility — should we support that one, too?

It is very unfortunate to have a president who, when not careening from one position to the next, is apologizing for America’s alleged sins rather than pursuing America’s interests. That, however, is an argument for electing a new president, not for rallying to his side when, like the proverbial broken clock, he inevitably says something that pleases you. Being militarily proactive in Qaddafi’s ouster is either a good or a bad idea on its own merits; the case is not advanced by an American credibility argument rooted in what President Obama happens to be saying today — he’s apt to be saying something very different tomorrow.

3. The suggestion that the “rebels” must be armed so they can at least have a fair fight with Qaddafi’s forces is also popping up with increasing frequency — including in the symposium from Messrs. Abrams, Fly, Hannah, Muravchik, and Benjamin Weinthal; and while David Pryce-Jones thinks the anti-Qaddafi forces are “doomed” because of the “West’s inertia,” he argues that we should have armed them “if they so demanded” while it still mattered. I must respectfully disagree. The United States has a checkered history of arming murkily described Muslim “rebels” who turn out to be Islamists. We need to know exactly who we’re helping before we plunge ahead.

It is fair enough to contend that the upside of bleeding the Soviets was worth the price in Afghanistan — even though we are still dealing with the fallout, which includes having reinforced the ties between Pakistani intelligence and Qaeda-tied jihadists, both of which still menace us. But Clinton’s gambit in the former Yugoslavia included looking the other way while Iran armed the Bosnian Muslims, set up a jihadist network on the doorstep of Western Europe, and set in motion the chain of events that led to the U.S.-supported creation of a Muslim state, Kosovo — one of whose nationals last week killed two American airmen and wounded two others in Germany while screaming Allahu Akbar. (For more on Kosovo and the jihad, see Caroline Glick and Melanie Phillips.) How much goodwill did we buy from the ummah by coming down so decisively against their Serbian tormentors?

I appreciate and respect the desire to strike against Qaddafi. As Ray Ibrahim says, that he “is an anti-American and tyrannical thug, there is no doubt.” But the Taliban and Saddam Hussein were collaborating against us with Islamist terrorists when we acted to remove them, and Iran has empowered those same terrorists and killed many Americans while we have opted to give the mullahs a pass. At the moment we are not threatened by Libya, Qaddafi’s successors could end up being just as bad or worse for us, and there is no empirical reason to believe aiding beleaguered Muslims earns us any gratitude from Muslims or security from Muslim terrorists. There is nothing for us in Libya.

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onlineanalyst
   03/10/11 13:48

Your measured response is one that I have to agree with, Mr. McCarthy. I look forward to the day when you serve as a cabinet member or a SC jurist. We need some adult understanding of the ME situation with a long-term view.

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Cata
   03/10/11 14:46

"There is nothing for us in Libya."

Unfortunately, this line of argument is becoming less and less important in conservative circles. Somehow what matters is that - OMG! - we could maybe help people of Libya.

I really don't understand this push that "we must do something" and "must help the Libyan people". I don't care about Libyan people and I am 100% sure they don't care about me (or worse!). Your columns are such a great consolation to me.

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 GWB
   03/10/11 15:01

I agree wholeheartedly, Andy.

I would make one and only one argument for us "helping" the opposition there:
I "hold paper" (thanks for that phrase, Derb) over things like Lockerbie and the Berlin discotheque. I would not propose aiding the opposition directly, but I would propose putting a couple of teams on the ground with the sole objective of capturing or killing Mohammar and some of his ringleaders/family. Let the country settle itself out however it likes, but let's take the big nutball out of the equation - for justice's sake.

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   03/10/11 15:53

I noted this at the main article too, but briefly: 1) I agree that we shouldn't intervene in Libya, and applaud Mr. McCarthy for debating the matter. 2) But on this subject, it seems very relevant to note why the Bush Administration engaged Qaddafi. Reading Mr. McCarthy, you'd think we "reinvented him as a statesman" for some incomprehensible reason.

In fact, he is a head of state, and we negotiated with him so that he would give up his designs on nuclear weapons. That seems like it turned out well to a lot of us: External Link 

I am certainly open to arguments that ending or delaying his nuclear ambitions wasn't worth it. But writing without even mentioning that goal and ostensible success is to omit the single most relevant factor in our behavior toward Libya.

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 GWB
   03/10/11 17:09

@Conor: The problem, then, is the current administration's failure to understand how circumstances change, and their need to react to those changes. "Kudos" to Bush 43 for getting Mohammar to give up nukes. Not kudos to Obama for failing to figure out how things are different now.

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Bart
   03/10/11 17:23

There is one argument in favor of using military force in Libya and two arguments employed against those who oppose using such force that have bugged me throughout:

1. The argument in favor: We have a moral obligation to help. The Wall Street Journal recently said that we would be "morally complicit" in the depredations by the Libyan regime if we refrained from assisting and it started butchering protestors.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. We would have a moral obligation to help if we said or implied we were going to help (this is the knock made against Eisenhower in connection with the 1956 Hungarian uprising and against GHW Bush in connection with the 1991 Kurdish uprising). But simply saying what we think "ought" to happen doesn't rise to this level. Moreover, even if helping would be a Good and Moral Thing to Do, it doesn't follow that we have a moral obliagation to do it. We don't. Or if you think we do, I don't care and I'm happy to have you think that I'm not willing to have us fulfill what you think is our moral obligation.

2. The arguments against those who oppose using force - that they lack "courage" or that we demonstrate "weakness". It is not "whether" we refuse to help that can demonstrate a lack of courage, or weakness, but why we refuse to help. If the U.S. refuses to help because we're "afraid", then that's a lack of courage. If the U.S. refuses to help because we don't have the resources to effectively help while doing something else we want simultaneously to do, then that could demonstrate weakness.

But if we refuse to help for other reasons: (a) we don't care; (b) we don't think it is our business; (c) we don't care very much; (d) we think the Libyans have an obligation to overthrow Gadhafi themselves, etc., etc., then we're simply using judgment. We can be wrong and one can disagree, but there's no lack of courage or weakness involved.

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   03/10/11 20:34

Mr. Friedersdorf, as I imagine you appreciate, sometimes the writer makes the faulty assumption that because he knows he has addressed some point in the past (especially if he's done it in the recent past), readers will know that too. I plead guilty, but I did address the quite comprehensible reason why our government changed its view of Qaddafi in my March 2 column ("Libya's Makeover"). As your comment suggests, what we got out of it was not worth it.

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Brice2
   03/13/11 00:35

Andy, I couldn't agree more with your views here and I had the same reaction when I read Mr. Stephen's column in the WSJ before I read yours. Your point about us not having the same supposed moral obligation as we did in Iraq was right on. And to take it out farther, if the rebellion gains steam in Saudi Arabia, are we going to support that one also? And are we then going to help arm the protestors in Iran? Seems a very ad hoc foreign policy at this moment and to declare we have some sort of moral obligation here would seem to bind us morally to every other revolution and Civil War coming down the pike.

As to your 3rd point, this is where I have some problem with quite a few Conservatives. So many seemed to be blinded by some sort of romanticism with the whole concept of Revolution, equating all to the American Revolution. I tend to rather think that most end up as more like the French Revolution and we have a lot more Robespierres running around than Adams or Jeffersons and as you point out in another post, it is rather obvious that you cannot have sharia and Natural Rights co-existing.

Lastly, it is time for Conservatives to practice what they preach. We are a country that has somewhere above a 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities. It would seem to the logical among us that we not only have to prioritize domestically, but also in the arena of foreign policy and the military. How we can afford all of this is simply beyond me and unless we start prioritizing that which is truly in our national interest (and I think the case is pretty difficult here), then we won't have the resources when we truly need to act in our national interest.

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