That is what we face, in the words of former Clinton chief of staff Erskine Bowles and former senator Alan Simpson (R., Wyo.) — co-chairs of the presidential commission on deficit reduction — and we are running out of time to take the necessary steps to prevent it.
“This problem is going to happen. . . . we’re going to have to face up to, in maybe two years, maybe a little less, maybe a little more,” Bowles said in testimony before the Senate Budget Committee earlier this week.
“I think it will come before two years,” Simpson countered. “I think within a year, at the end of the year, if [the people who hold our debt] just thought you’re playing with fluff—5, 6, 7 percent of this hole—they’re going to say, ‘I want some money for my paper.’ And if there’s anything money guys love, it’s money. And money guys, when they start losing money, panic. And let me tell you they will. It won’t matter what the government does, they’ll say ‘I want my money, I’ve got a better place for it . . . ’ Just saying for me, it won’t be a year.”
But don’t take their word for it.
One of those “money guys” Simpson was referring to is Bill Gross, who runs the world’s biggest mutual fund at Pacific Investment Management Co. ($237 billion in holdings). Gross announced today that he has purged that fund of all United States Treasury notes. Apparently he doesn’t think buying any more U.S. debt — $15 trillion and counting — is such a great investment, and has found more reliable places to put his money:
“We’ve moved into Brazil and Mexico and moved money, yes, at the margin into Spain, which has a better balance sheet than the United States,” Gross told CNBC. [emphasis added]
Yes, Spain. The same country that even Paul Krugman admits is “on the edge of a debt crisis.”
Even Warren Buffett — Obama’s favorite rich guy — doesn’t have enough confidence in the president’s economic stewardship to invest in long-term U.S. bonds any more.
Jim Rogers, a global investment haunch who predicted the recent housing-market crash, told Bloomberg: “U.S. government bonds are not a safe haven . . . I cannot conceive of lending money to the U.S. government for 30 years.”
If fewer people are willing to lend us money, the more we’ll have to shell out in higher interest payments. And if bond buyers lose confidence in our ability to make good on that debt, things could get really ugly, really fast. Much more on this from Kevin Williamson here.
As Sen. Tom Coburn (R., Okla.), who served on the deficit commission and supported its recommendations, pointed out at a press conference this week, the United States has, historically, paid an average of 6 percent interest on its debt. It currently pays about 2 percent. If rates were to return simply to that historical average, it would involve an increase to our overall interest bill of $640 billion — to be paid immediately. “An impossible situation,” in Coburn’s words.
To avoid this kind of disaster scenario from becoming a reality, the International Monetary Fund (among others) warns that the United States must act quickly and decisively to reduce our long-term debt outlook. As Sen. Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.), ranking member on the Senate Budget Committee, argued on the Senate floor today, one of the best ways we could do that would be to approve a continuing resolution that cuts federal spending by a significant amount. As noted here, cutting federal spending by $61 billion over the seven month remaining in the current fiscal year — as called for in the House GOP spending bill, H.R. 1 — would reduce the deficit by $862 billion over the next decade.
Here Sessions makes an urgent appeal for meaningful spending cuts, calling the $61 billion included in the House bill a reasonable, if “minimal” amount (it’s about one percent of the federal budget). “If there’s a disagreement about where the reductions ought to occur, so be it, let’s work that out,” he says. But the final number should be close to that in order to assure the bond market that we are serious about fixing our fiscal mess. If not, “who’s going to buy our debt?” Sessions asks, urging lawmakers to “send a message to the Bill Gross’s of the world . . . that this country is willing to take action, even tough action to get off the unsustainable path we’re on.”
More here.
Not to make light of this situation, but I am reminded of two videos:
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The point being - we all see it coming, and there is ample opportunity to avoid the coming crisis (although it will take sacrifice and hard work). If we ignore it and continue to think everything can continue as usual, our debtors will take it out on us hard.
My God, EVERYONE knows the current status is unsustainable - why are we not having serious discussions AND ACTIONS about this on a daily basis?! We can no longer bury our heads in the sand. It can get very bad, very quickly, if we pretend nothing is amiss.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseInteresting.
This post concerns itself with the 800-pound gorilla in the room, the catastrophic transformation of the context in which all the other matters discussed in the Corner unfold.
And yet, at this writing, mine is the only comment.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseDoes it not occur to you that this is in fact the plan all along by Mr. Obama?
This entire fiscal mess was conceived by George Soros, implemented by Pelosi more than anyone else, then Reid and lastly Obama.
The problem is the Republicans figured it out too late to do anything but STOP the growth of the wrecking ball. However, the Fed is free to continue it with QE2, 3, 4.
If we can survive through 2012 and get rid of Obama and Reid, we can correct this mess, otherwise we can mostly stop things rather than fix things at the Federal level.
The Governors however are doing wonders at the state level so far.
Keep your eyes on Obama and China. Why would the top intel guy say in Congress that China was our biggest threat etc? Obama bows to their leader etc. It is a handoff, dreams of his father. He intends for us to be 3rd world to see how we like it, while he and his cohorts sail over the sunset with China.
Adding trillions every year in new debt lol. Treating citizens like thugs all over America. You can't ask an illegal for ID, but you can full body scan a citizen or even physically manhandle them now. Don't offend CAIR though, that would be rude, but you can grab my junk whenever you like.
The intel man should not have said China, he should have said it is us, the government is our biggest enemy. I think we are reaching the point where the typical citizen fears our own government more than anyone else in the world.
Thank goodness Repubs took back the House, but that isn't enough to get things right fast enough.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAny possible connection to these 2 points?
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse1. we'll print money even faster
2. everyone knows it
Ok, deep breath everyone ...
First: we are not in a fiscal crisis, and it's extremely unlikely that we will find ourselves in one. Fiscal crises don't happen to countries with strong, productive economies and sound tax systems, because at the end of the day, they can meet any imbalance by raising more revenue. Fiscal crises happen to countries that first experienced an ECONOMIC crises, like Ireland or Spain, that mean they can't expand revenues, or that have tax systems that effectively make paying tax optional, like Greece (well, Greece really had both).
What we do have is a fiscal imbalance that, in the medium to long term, is unsustainable. It will require a significant adjustment to the balance we currently have between revenues and obligations. It will NOT be solved by cutting discretionary spending, which only amounts to 12% of government outlays.
It COULD be solved by either radically cutting government benefits, including substantially retrenching the safety net we currently provide for the elderly and infirm. It could also be solved by returning tax levels to somewhere around the level they were at the end of the Reagan years.
But the reality is that we are a country of diverse peoples and views, and the only practicable solution will be one that represents a compromise between viewpoints: that is, some mix of tax increases and benefit cuts.
At the moment, the problem is that the politicians on both sides think that they have more to gain by publicly engaging in wishful thinking. That will only change when we demand seriousness of them, which means shunning anyone who tries to pretend to us that the problem will be solved entirely by spending cuts, by tax increases, by economic growth or magic fairy dust.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse$200 billion would be a minimal start. We need the GOP to show some guts. How about cutting the $100+ billion allocated to Obamacare this year to zero?
No guts. No glory.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe problem is that no one in DC, not even the GOP, is serious about cutting spending.
Whatever the GOP is currently discussing for spending cuts in DC isn't serious. The markets won't consider anything less than about $300 billion in real cuts to be serious. $500 billion would be better. You'd think that in a budget with a $1.5 trillion deficit they could find $500 billion to cut out. The fact that they can muster less than $100B In real cuts shows the world that Congress, no matter the party, is not serious about the problem.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHere's hoping the Republicans will put taxes and entitlements on the table in budget discussions with Obama, then.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse“An impossible situation,” in Coburn’s words.
oh, it's quite possible.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe recent earthquake and resulting tsunamis offers an excellent metaphor for the current fiscal state of the national government. We had 8 years of a Republican congress and president who spent money with abandon (remember Mr. Cheney's "deficits don't matter" line?) on unfunded programs (medicare prescription drug benefit), wars awash in money going to private contractors and a housing bubble inflated by unbridled speculation and disgraceful risks taken by titans of the financial sector. The earthquake hits in 2008 and results in the largest economic downturn in 70 years. The Obama administration may not have miraculously restored us to financial health in 2 years, but the administration is doing the equivalent of disaster relief after the fact--it didn't cause the disaster.
The drumbeat now is to reduce spending and (perhaps) reduce social security and medicare entitlement programs. Spending reduction makes sense, but if the real goal is fiscal health it must be paired with appropriate tax increases. Anyone who continues to echo the canard that increasing taxes at the higher margins stifles economic growth need look only to the results of the 2001 tax cuts, which produced little in the way of job growth.
Behaving like grownups, which is the oft-repeated ideal, means responsible management of spending and revenues, which in this case includes tax increases. The fact that middle and low-wage earners in the private and public sectors are attacking each other because the unionized segment may have higher benefits relative to its private sector counterparts is class warfare, and the very rich are laughing themselves silly.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse@Brian, EVERYONE knows? Not this Nobel Laureate: External Link
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYou could always start by closing down government agencies who aren't doing their job, like the ATF...
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAs time goes on, it becomes clearer and clearer that Mr Simpson and Mr Bowles were full of hot air!
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