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Warner Waffling on Debt Reduction?

Sen. Mark Warner (D., Va.), a moderate Democrat, has been a key player in the so-called “Gang of Six” negotiations in the Senate. “Gang” members are working behind-the-scenes on a grand deficit-reduction package that builds off the recommendations of the Simpson-Bowles commission. Warner told CNN’s Candy Crowley on Sunday that the group would be releasing something “very shortly.”

One might think (or hope) that, given President Obama’s disregard for the debt commission’s recommendations in his own budget proposal for 2012, Warner would have one or two positive things to say about House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan’s proposal — due out Tuesday — which reportedly will incorporate a number of the panel’s recommendations, including tax reform and entitlement reform, and even surpass the commission’s goal of $4 trillion in savings over the next ten years.

Not so.

Crowley asked if Ryan’s plan could be a “starting point” for further negotiations, but Warner simply offered up some familiar, if unusually polite, demagoguery. “I don’t know how you get there without taking basically a meat axe to those programs who protect the most vulnerable in our country,” he said. “So I’ll give anybody the benefit of a doubt until I get a chance to look at the details, but I think the only way you’re going to really get there is if you put all of these things, including defense spending, including tax reform, as part of the overall package.” (Emphasis mine.)

Not one positive word. It used to be that even liberal Democrats like Sen. Dick Durbin (D., Ill.) would nominally praise Ryan for at least proposing a serious plan for debt reduction before lambasting it as a heartless and barbaric assault on America’s grandmothers. Those days are likely gone forever, but that doesn’t erase the fact that Ryan’s 2012 budget — regardless of one’s politics — will be the only serious attempt at meaningful deficit reduction since the Simpson-Bowles commission released their recommendations in December of last year. But Warner cannot bring himself to acknowledge this.

A senior Republican source tells NRO that Warner’s comments certainly do not favor the chances of a grand bipartisan agreement on deficit reduction, and is yet another sign that President Obama and senior Democrats are content to dodge and demagogue the issue straight through to Election Day 2012. The source says Warner has privately confided that he believes the nation is headed for a fiscal catastrophe if nothing is done. “If he really feels that way, you would think he could find a few positive aspects of Ryan’s plan,” the source says. “He could at least say ‘I don’t agree with all of it, but it’s better than the course we’re on.’”

The source says he worries that Warner may get roped in by the likes of Sens. Harry Reid (D., Nev.) and Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.), as well as President Obama’s political team, who would like nothing more than to run out the clock on meaningful reforms to reduce the deficit (apart from those involving massive tax increases). By never putting forward a formal proposal of their own, Democrats will be free to attack Ryan’s plan to their heart’s content. Oh, look, they’re already doing it.

Something to look for in the near future will be whether or not Senate Budget Committee chairman Kent Conrad (D., N.D.), a “Gang of Six” member who also served on the debt commission, will even bother to produce a 2012 budget. Conrad has been, along with Warner, one of the most outspoken in calling for immediate and bold action to reduce the long-term deficit. If either one, or both of them, dig in with Obama, it would effectively signal the entire Democratic party’s abdication of responsibility when it comes to the deficit (but perhaps that ship has long since sailed).

Warner discusses Ryan’s plan starting at 13:50.

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   04/04/11 14:46

“I don’t know how you get there without taking basically a meat axe to those programs who protect the most vulnerable in the country,”

Translation: No significant cuts to any spending, any serious deficit reduction will come from increased taxes.

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   04/04/11 14:49

Hopefully this was just a slip of the tongue and doesn't indicate how Democrats have come to view govt and govt programs.

"programs who protect the ...".

Who is used for people.
Which is used for things.
The proper form should have been, "programs which protect ...".

Are Democrats now starting to think of govt as a living entity? (Do I need to add the obligatory, "Had Palin/Bachman/Generic Republican said something like this ..."?)

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   04/04/11 14:49

Reminder number eleventy-billion that there's no such thing as a "moderate" democrat anymore. I'm not sure there ever was such a thing. Regardless, everyone with a "D" next to their name is a liberal. Some are more hysterical than others, but they all pray in the same temple.

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Jean S
   04/04/11 14:50

I'm so glad I live in VA. Warner and Webb are getting the boot from me next election.

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   04/04/11 14:55

The question is the same today as it has been for decades. Who are the most vulnerable in our country and are we obligated to provide for those who are vulnerable by choice in the same way we provide for those who are vulnerable without choice?

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   04/04/11 14:59

Andrew, why not check with your own Reihan Salam about his BFF Conrad ... he thinks Conard is a "moderate" which tells us more about Salam than Conrad ...

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   04/04/11 15:02

Jenna: The real question is not are we obligated, but whether that obligation is personal or societal.

That is, is it your responsibility to help the poor, or is it your responsibility to support govt programs that tax someone else and pretend to use the money to help the poor?

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   04/04/11 15:03

Oh, here we go! He must have just gotten off an unpleasant call from Harry Reid.

Demonstration number 6,487 (or thereabouts): THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "MODERATE" DEMOCRAT.

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   04/04/11 15:33

"and is yet another sign that President Obama and senior Democrats are content to dodge and demagogue the issue straight through to Election Day 2012"

One wonders why the dems aren't eager to display the sort of financial acumen they claimed they had displayed during the 1990s

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Krusty
   04/04/11 15:42

@MarkW: "That is, is it your responsibility to help the poor, or is it your responsibility to support govt programs that tax someone else and pretend to use the money to help the poor?"

Bingo. Spot on.
This question, nay, distinction, needs to be repeated, repeated I say, AD NAUSEUM. It is the entire core of the difference between the conservative worldview and the liberal worldview.

Not sure where it comes from, but I believe there is some old adage about giving a homeless guy a sandwich. In the first view, the sandwich is given freely as an act of compassion, and as such there is inherent benefit to both the giver and the receiver. In the second view, the sandwich is taken forcibly from the "giver" (ie, by gov't) and given to the homeless guy. This arrangement is completely morally bankrupt because it involves theft, or at least a taking, by the gov't (of the sandwich), no act of compassion on the part of the giver (it's not an option, and someone else, ie the gov't is doing the giving), and no kind of appreciation and perhaps, dare I say it, sense of shame or remorse (and hence incentive to improve one's own lot) on the part of the receiver.

I'm sure the more eloquent and philosophically inclined can do a better job of presenting this than I, but you get the point - intentions aside, liberalism erodes morality from within.

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   04/04/11 15:48

I also live in Virginia. Warner has been a massive disappointment since he is supposedly one of the "moderate" Dems--he's voted in lockstep with BHO and Reid, has been totally silent on just about every issue, and hasn't had an original thought or sentence since he's been in D.C.

He's been the invisible man.

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MarkJ
   04/04/11 17:01

“I don’t know how you get there without taking basically a meat axe to those programs who protect the most vulnerable in our country...."

Ah, "Whinin' Warner" is now taking hostages and cringing behind human shields. How Democratic of him to do so....

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   04/04/11 17:29

Jenna's question was relevant and effective the way she crafted it, thanks!

She was proposing that we redefine who is eligible to be caught by our society's safety net. She was not advocating on behalf of those safety net programs in their current form.

I think she's right. There are far too many people deemed "down and out". The distinction is highly relevant between the schizophrenic mental health patient and the mother who opted to have 5 kids after she could ill afford the first one.

Before all these "rock-ribbed" conservatives can BEGIN to effectively reform our social safety net programs, we need to know who we are attempting to catch in the net, no?

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AlexinAl
   04/05/11 09:40

I supported GWB twice, and McCain once. The last ten years have shown that this issue is not primarily about political ideology, but rather political gamesmanship. Republican leadership could have made efforts on some of these things we are talking about now, but it was not politically sensible at the time. There are very few Paul Ryan's in the Republican Party in Washington. Most are just Pied Pipers looking for any way to get a following.

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