If every Republican can become even half as capable as Paul Ryan at defending the GOP budget, it’s difficult to see how Democrats, in the absence of a coherent plan of their own, stand a chance in this debate. In this interview with CBS News, Ryan easily and artfully shoots down just about every Liberal talking point on his budget plan:
On saving (not slashing) Medicare:
RYAN: Part of the problem we have is a lot of people don’t realize just how bad Medicare’s financing in the future is going to become. People don’t realize that Medicare is growing at such an unsustainable rate that it has trillions of dollars of empty promises. So because Medicare is the biggest driver of our debt in the future, the future Medicare system, if it’s going to be saved, will have to be reformed, and a lot of people don’t like the notion of that –
Q: But is there no way to save it without moving to a system of premium support?
RYAN: Yes there is, and it’s what the president’s proposing which is to ration Medicare. We do not want — we do not believe in the idea of having a board of unelected people putting price controls and rationing on Medicare.
Q: But don’t you ration it anyway?
RYAN: The question is, where does the power go? Does the power go to the government, and have them make the decision on how Medicare will work? Or does the power go to the person, the senior citizen — I’m talking about people 54 and below — to see how they decide… We don’t want to have a monopoly, whether it’s a government monopoly or a health insurance monopoly. We believe the future of Medicare, to make is sustainable, is to put the power in the hands of the senior citizen, and subsidize the wealthy less and the middle and lower income person more. And at the same time we’re saying don’t make changes to people in an near retirement… That’s contrary to the president’s proposal. He wants his board of 15 appointees to just indiscriminately cut Medicare to save money…
On end-of-life care:
RYAN: Should that be something the government decides, or –
Q: Well, who decides?
RYAN: I think the family should decide. I really don’t think that government should put itself in a position of deciding how someone’s end of life care occurs. That is a philosophical disagreement. We don’t think the government should have that kind of power.
On “big tax cuts for the wealthy”:
RYAN: We’re not doing that. We’re not agreeing with the president’s tax increases.
Q: Well, 35 to 25 percent is a big cut.
RYAN: But in exchange for losing their tax shelters. So we’re saying — we call it revenue neutral tax reform. The tax reform we’re proposing is just like the tax reform the president’s bipartisan fiscal commission is proposing — supported by a majority of Democrats on the fiscal commission. We’re saying — in exchange for losing their tax shelters, the wealthy and corporations will get no tax shelters — we’ll lower everybody’s tax rates so we have a better economy, so we have better economic growth, so we don’t tax our producers more than our foreign competitors tax theirs…
Q: So you’re willing to cut loopholes for oil and gas companies?
RYAN: That’s exactly — yeah, we want to cut all these loopholes. The whole point is to clean up the tax code, get rid of tax shelters, so we can lower tax rates for everybody. That’s the kind of tax reform we’re talking about.
On running for president:
RYAN: Look, my job — and I think I have a good place right now — is to try and help be the Paul Revere of fiscal problems, is to help get the country on the right track on these economic and fiscal issues… I feel like I can make a contribution where I am right now and that’s where I plan on staying.
Consistent with everything he’s said in the past, but a shame nonetheless. Still, the thought of a Ryan-Obama debate is too enticing for conservatives to give up hope just yet (see today’s poll on the homepage).
Good for Paul Ryan.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseRyan did a great job. I'm still a little amazed by the nonchalance with which reporters parrot Democratic talking points like "tax cuts for the rich"--that kind of stuff destroys a reporter's credibility in my eyes.
But Ryan handled it exceptionally and answered each question honestly and straight-forwardly--a nice change from the evasiveness and hyperbole on which the White House depends.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI know. How about the power goes to an unaccountable private insurance company that has every right to deny coverage for individual procedures or deny a policy to a sick person.
Paul Ryan for President. He lies real good.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseInstead of constantly getting leg tingles over Paul Ryan, you guys might try seeing through this deceptions. On Medicare rationing, OF COURSE any plan to save Medicare is going to lead to rationing, and yes, the question is who makes the rationing decision. Ryan's plan proposes to give a voucher to each senior citizen, and then let the market do its work. In other words, rich people will get all the care they need, and poor people will be rationed. Over time, the poor will get fewer and fewer services because Ryan set the vouchers to grow at the rate of inflation, instead of at the rate of health costs. Obama's plan, on the other hand, empowers an advisory board to decide what specific procedures are rationed; namely, those that are deemed too costly. Rich people, of course, will still be able to get whatever treatments they want, just not from medicare. So, pick your poison, and live with it.
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"Sorry grandma, a bunch of enlightened yuppies in blue states decided they don't like paying for your end of life care. Hope you saved up on the side for supplemental health insurance, because the Government has decided they won't pay for your care- despite the money we took from your paychecks over the past 70 years."
Yeah...the government way is SOOOO much better. What a Top Notch (my captcha!) idea.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHas anyone countered Obama's argument that a person with $15,000 is not going to be able to negotiate with an insurance company? He really does not understand the power of the consumer in a free market.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse1. Paul Ryan needs to speak a bit more slowly.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse2. Repeat over and over: no Medicare changes to anyone 55 or older. None. This is the Big Lie from the RATS and their media handmaidens.
3. Steer clear of the word "vouchers" - will be demagogued to death
dan k,
Do you know a less accountable organization than the government? As a physician, I spent 40 years dealing with Medicare and its arbitrary decisions. You just don't know what you are talking about. You can sue an insurance company and some have done so successfully. Try suing Medicare.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse@matthew8787: Your advice for Ryan is to steer clear of vouchers? But they ARE vouchers, aren't they? Specifically, they're vouchers that grow at the rate of inflation instead of the rate of medical costs, ensuring less and less subsidized healthcare for seniors each and every year.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseStan D is an honest liberal and worthy of debating. The premium subsidies don't guaranty nirvana for low income seniors, but neither does a Democratic Party promise that can't be backed up. And face it, Medicare is a ponzi scheme worthy of Madoff, and its insolvency has be obvious for over 20 years-- ask Paul Krugman ca. 1996. So as Stan says "pick your poison". My opinion is low income seniors should go with premium subsidies rather than Obama's death panels. First off, the Ryan plan has a much better chance to reduce the rate of medical inflation (especially when coupled with malpractice punitive damage caps and allowing health insurers to sell across state lines), 2 it is more flexible, Congress can increase subsidies to the low income seniors if they fall too far behind, and low income seniors can shape the market to buy medical policies without bells and whistles to meet their particular needs, etc etc , but this is a fair debate I could have with Stan. Notice though, that the Obamaniac and the media don't want this debate -- it's a loser for them politically. Instead it's Ryan is the grandma killer, cat food for the elderly-- Blah Blah Blah-- that's why I detest the Left, but I have no problem with honest liberals such as Stan. Cheers.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseStan, use the words "premium support" or other formulation.
The term "voucher" has been a disaster over the years and used malicioulsy by the RATS and MSM to destroy school choice and charter school programs.
The term "voucher" is a political loser.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI've written before that it's folly for the GOP to put forth a specific, far-reaching budget plan before Obama does. What's the point if it has no chance of passage. We're just providing the Dems with ammunition which they and their adjunct, the MM, will distort and use to beat us over the head.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAnyone who thinks political battles are won via clear-headed, rational decisions needs only to refer to Jefferson:''If you would persuade me, appeal to my emotions, not to my Reason.'' And he didn't face hundreds of media outlets only too glad to lie and smear in support of leftist candidates.
"where does the power go?"
Ryan nails it. Liberals have a delusional faith in some magical paternalism of "government" where only the best intentions and choices are made. They seem utterly blind to all the facts around them that contradict this, essential, belief; bureaucrats of all levels of government who dawdle, obfuscate, corrupt and otherwise make a mess of things as simple as delivering the mail or issuing a drivers license.
At least you have a fighting chance as a consumer against a business. Yes, some consumers sometimes lose in these battles but businesses are held responsible not only by risking their reputation (and future business) by mistreating customers but by legal redress as well. Try to fight a government bureaucracy. You'll have as much luck as those who try to shrink bureaucracies.
I understand how many people can imagine there is a benevolent, all knowing bureaucrat that will handle THEIR problems as many people don't connect the dots between the individual (and fairly rare) interactions they have with the state that are ludicrously mishandled. You can always imagine these instances of incompetence are unique.
At least Ryan is selling the right prescription; with power you have choice. Choice makes the actors on the other side MOSTLY respect you. Monopolies, wherever they exist, have absolutely no motivation to improve or serve better than in a manner that suites THEIR PRIORITIES first.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMichael Kennedy - couldn't agree more. My 40 years has been spent in hospital finance and as much as I hated negotiating with Blue Cross,et al, at least we got to negotiate, rather than reading about our rates in the federal register. Blue Cross has to answer to Blue Shield and Kaiser, Medicare answers to no one
As for picking your poison, bear in mind that the top down approach employed by ACA is essentially the same type of price control effort that I also watched for forty years, with absolutely no impact on aggregate spending. As Ryan said, the likely outcome of his voucher system is the growth of programs such as Medicare Advantage. In my career I've set up and run a joint hospital-physician organization to provide service under the Advantage Program's precursor, Medicare +Choice. Our experience was that activity (ie unnecessary testing and procedures) declined so much that we did better financially with that population than we did with those served under Medicare's traditional fee-for-service system. Why? Because we changed incentives. The physicians designed and monitored their own payment system, and held a significant stake in the hospital's financial outcome. (A point that's rarely made is that for the majority of health care expenditures, the physician is the customer -- nothing happens in a hospital until a physician orders it.)
Our experience seems to be at least somewhat common, given the growing popularity of Medicare Advantage. So naturally, Medicare Advantage is targeted for significant funding cuts under ACA. But in one of the great ironic panders of all time, the administration just got wind of that popularity, and to avoid the political blowback that would accompany the impact of those cuts (taking away Advantage from the seniors who like the plans) have reinstated the cuts over the near term through the back door by awarding additional 'quality' bonuses. I guess the quality they're talking about is the quality of Obama's re-election prospects.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWell, commenting at NRO was fun while it lasted, it seems that the sock-puppets have taken over.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseGovernment needs to do it's job, first protecting this Country as defined in the Constitution. Second, stop the spending and reduce both the debt and the Federal Government and agencies and committees that are only spending the tax payers money where a lot of the waste lies. Third, there is a lot of agreement on cuts and reforms but not all. Let's start at the top where the incomes and benefits and perks to cut, EPA regulations hurting our ability to use some of our own resources instead of Obama telling B we want to be their best customer and other programs like this. Medicaid and Welfare Programs have policies which hold individuals and families hostage instead of supporting people so they can become self-sufficient by stripping them of benefits or assistance or cash even when they get employment. The programs goals was intended to help people so they could help themselves and get through the rough times. Not anymore. Social Security punishes women who raised their children and stayed home, it only bases income on the last 10 years so men naturally get more. The Congress has stolen the money from SS and it will never be put back but hopefully, raising the ages will help. Now if you could get the economy to keep older employers employed or hire us because we have value too. Ryan's attempt to come up with a serious plan is the right move and I pray all the time that the cold-hearted and corrupt individuals at the top come to the table and do what is right to but our County back on the road to recovery. I still have a problem with "how can Obama and friends still think putting American in a deeper hole is going to get us out of this drowning pool of debt? What planet on they living on? Are they part of the human race? Maybe they should live on the wages of a single parent or unemployed individual who is supporting a family for several months. Of course none of them can because they spend that much of the taxpayers money without blinking an eye and I feel many don't even have a conscious anymore. It makes me sick to see Obama on the news and posing for the American People while destroying the very thing we all hold most dear, our freedoms and our way of life. Keep up the good fight and don't cave in.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI'd love to see a Ryan-Obama debate: On one side you would have Ryan with a glass of water and on the other side you would have Obama with a glass of water, an earpiece and a teleprompter.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhat everyone should remember is that Government Money is the driver of health cost increases. Remove the government (as much as possible & keeping a safety net) and health cost increases will level out to the basic CPI.
Google a graph showing both CPI & health care costs (HC) over time. You will see both lines essentially the same until 1965, when the HC begins to diverge drastically from the CPI.
Gee, whatever could have happened in 1965 to cause such a change?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe real basic argument really comes down to "is health care a right?" Liberals believe it is & conservatives do not. I am not speaking here of basic life care; I am speaking of getting the latest & most expensive medical devices/drugs/treatment because they are there.
To use an automoble analogy: I have always wanted a Ferrari, but could never afford one, so I had to settle for something less. It got me every place I wanted to go.
Long before government intervention, basic medical care was available to all. If you couldn't pay, you might have to wait a little longer to be seen and if admitted to a hospital, you might be in a ward instead of a private room. For free you get the KIA, not the Ferrari.
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