Here is what President Obama needs to be asked:
You authorized a risky operation to find and kill Osama bin Laden. Following your orders, a SEAL team shot him through the eye and the chest. Imagine that your successor is an even more left-wing Democrat than you are. Or imagine that he/she is a libertarian. Either might assert that the operation violated the law in some way. Would you approve of a Justice Department investigation into the actions of the SEALs? Do you think it be okay if, under the next administration, they will be obliged to hire lawyers and worry about their own and the their families’ futures? If not, will you instruct Eric Holder to call off the dogs who are currrently investigating the CIA for interrogating the terrorists who led you to Osama bin Laden?
Here is what Mona Charen needs to be asked. Are presidents expected to follow the law of the united states? Or are they free to ignore it? And if they are expected to follow the law, how do you prevent presidents from breaking the law if there are never any consequences?
Did we agree to the Geneva conventions or not? Did we pass laws outlawing torture or not?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseDo these laws mean anything or not.
As Holder's investigation into the previously cleared CIA interrogators demonstrate, these SEALs would be right to feel a bit of anxiety over the events of the last week. But, I would point out that there is a nascent UN investigation into this raid that ought cause some concern for these special forces operators as well.
When you start having UN investigations into possible war crimes, are whispers of the International Criminal Court, a court that Obama has previously expressed unambiguous approval, going to be far behind? In the context of recent events, I wonder if Obama's support for the UN and the ICC to look into American uniformed service personnel is just as resolute today as it was before he actually assumed the role of Commander-in-Chief. In fact, I wonder if he's thought about possible international criminal exposure for himself, or are these the kinds of legal threats that only exist for Republican American presidents?
Things have gotten so out of hand, that soon you're going to have soldiers in the field demanding transactional immunity before they agree to participate in any kind after action reporting. I can't say that I would blame them either.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseOne nit: Legally, the president can not order the AG to halt an investigation. But there is nothing stopping the president from offering his opinion that such an investigation should not be happening (something Obama has thus far refused to do).
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIf I were Obama, I would reply: "It is important to investigate the CIA because were are not sure if some of its operatives were really born in the USA."
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseResponse: "Uhhhh, uhmmm, uhhhhh..."
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"terrorists who led you to Osama bin Laden"
Citation needed.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAs always, the perspicacious and incisive Ms. Charen cuts to the quick. I think she knows the real answer to the questions she would pose to Mr. Holder, whatever equivocations and circumlocutions he might publicly throw out: For Leftists, as their hero and exemplar Lenin once so pithily phrased it, questions of ethics in politics boil down to "Who-whom?"
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHad those CIA officials in the Bush Administration belonged to the "New Black Panthers Party" Holder would not be investigating them. Racist you say?? Yes it is, absolutely, on the part of Holder and his Justice Department which now looks at skin color and not the law without regard to race. It is sad that this thought even enters one’s mind, but given the politization and race bias shown by the Obama/Holder administration in doling out “justice” and goodies it is a logical question to ask.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI started laughing at the "even more Left Wing Democrat than you are" line. There is no such person! Although, I am truly enjoying watching Obama completely undermine Liberalism through his actions. He has put-to-lie 10 years of hate-Bush rhetoric.
That being said, I would phrase the question thusly, "Mr. President, by all accounts the SEALs shot an unarmed criminal suspect. What is your position on this matter, and will the SEALs be prosecuted by Justice along with the CIA interrogators whose efforts made the killing possible? Are the CIA agents and SEALs conspirators to violate the Civil Rights of Osama Bin Laden?"
You gotta ask it like a fake Liberal. They don't believe any of that stuff either. They just said it because they wanted to beat Bush. Now that they are in power, they do not care about "civil liberties" except for themselves and their friends.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseLeftists promises are like pie crust -- meant to be broken (h/t Kruschev). At any given time such a government can go in any direction it wishes. It is rule by whim and we should be used to it by now. But as long as the language of the edicts are civil and mannerly, no one on the RIght will get terribly upset about it.
As for the current situation, if the heat is turned up too high, Obama as President might an investigation into the SEALs, saying they went beyond his instructions or there are "unanswered questions." Anything. Or he could wait until he is Secretary General. Who knows? There is no statute of limitation for "war crimes" is there? The Seals aren't paid a lot of money, as Mark Steyn has pointed out, so I hope they can get some good lawyers in their defense at reasonable cost. I could easily image 97-year-old SEALs being hauled into some kind of court for crimes against humanity.
A leftist government is limited only by the power of its imagination. Inspiring, isn't it?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHokkoda: You're a fantasist. You might try reading something more than the NRO because then you might see that many of us on the Left do not find the Bush era torture regime's continuation under Obama encouraging in any way. Many of us still happen to believe in the rule of law, which I know in some quarters of the Right seems quaint. Should you care to educate yourself on this matter, you might read Glenn Greenwald at Salon. Naturally, you are welcome to disagree with everything he says. But at least inform yourself.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI've previously wondered why this OBL operation should roughly coincide with Obama suddenly releasing his long-form birth certificate. At first, I thought it was carefully planned to embarrass opponents on two fronts.
But suddenly, this thought came to mind: Recall that in the well-known group photo showing the bigwigs watching video, a magnified view shows Hillary Clinton holding a report marked NOFORN, no foreign nationals can see it.
I visualize the military having the operation planned (Obama wouldn't have planned it himself). It is so secret that no foreign nationals can be informed, no matter who they are. So they are about to go to Obama with the plan, for final authorization. Suddenly, someone says, "Wait! Isn't Obama a foreign national? A large portion of Americans think he is! Can we rally tell him about this operation?"
I also visualize Hillary, in her official context as Secretary of State, informing Obama that if he doesn't quickly release his long-form birth certificate, a major military operation would either go on without his authorization or be canceled.
Folks, do we think Hillary would have the guts to do that? Oh yes we do. Will it ever be investigated, or asked by the press? Oh no it won't.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMona,
While I support the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques' - because I personally do not believe them to cross the line into torture - the comparison you and many others have presented is apples to oranges in the degree of imminent threat. Unfortunately, because the White House has completely garbled its accounts of the raid, it may be a few more days or weeks before we are told finally whether the SEALs attempted to apprehend bin Laden before killing him.
During the raid, in the attempt to apprehend bin Laden, the SEALs plausibly faced the threat of imminent death or injury. Their choices were to either eliminate bin Laden almost immediately, perhaps after some initial attempt to apprehend, or to extend the effort to apprehend. The latter option would expose them to a continuing level of risk, as it would have given bin Laden more time to gain access to a weapon, or perhaps even time for Pakistani security forces to arrive on the scene, which would have endangered the entire force.
The interrogations, on the other hand, were conducted in cold blood, with no known immediate threat to either the interrogators or to national interest. I emphasize "known immediate" threat. Obviously al Qaeda constitutes a threat, but absent any knowledge of an impending attack, one cannot deem the interrogations to have been conducted under imminent threat.
Again, I am a supporter of enhanced interrogation techniques, and I agree with you that the investigation and possible prosecution of the CIA interrogators is a blatantly political maneuver to pacify the radical base. Hopefully, as Jim Geraghty might posit, this particular Obama pledge comes with an expiration date, as have many other campaign promises.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe real question is this: Are there really any legal orders? Military personnel are indoctrinated that we are not required to follow illegal orders. This was training was initiated after My Lai. Bin Laden was in the chain of command and therefore a combatant regardless of being armed or not. Are the actions of military personnel forever liable for review? It seems the left will do the same for national defense they did for energy production by making it legally impossible to accomplish.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseToday, Juan Williams, on Fox, talked about "inhanced" interrogations and gouging out fingernails and eyeballs. This, after the White House mouth piece could not explain how shooting someone in the head was worse than waterboarding. This is how liberals think; they don't.
Debra Burlingame, the sister of Chick Burlingame, pilot of the plane that hit the Pentagon on 9-11, specifically asked Obama at the Ground Zero victory lap if he would talk to Holder and ask him to drop the charges against the CIA agents who waterboarded KSM. Obama, ever the gentleman said "No, I won't" and turned his back on Ms. Burlingame. Obama will take victory laps over getting a terrorist because of policies of President Bush, but he won't excuse the very actions that are allowing him to take that victory lap at Ground Zero.
This is possibly the most dishonest administration we have had in a century. And those Navy SEALs have a right to worry. Obama will claim he has no control over Holder, and those SEALs will find no support coming from the Oval Office as the heat builds in the international community.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYou see how hard the Obama administration is trying to sell the idea that they *really* found out where bin Laden was because the NSA caught a phone call Osama answered, rather than because of the waterboarding of KSM and the other terrorist in the Rendition program?
The NSA phone call sounds like a pack of lies to me to cover for their obvious hypocrisy in investigating the CIA agents who interrogated terror suspects.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseExcuse me, my bad: Osama's courier answered-call.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe phrase "Here is what President Obama needs to be asked..." goes with about 105,985,122,743,615 other questions that are never asked.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMs. Charen, why don't you ask the president this question yourself? To his face. Or, at least to Carney.
Or is this just more conservative navel-gazing and postulations of things that have a snowball's chance of even occurring in reality?
Really, Mona, what's the point?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI just want someone on the left to explain to me why pouring water on a suspected terrorist’s nose at Gitmo is a war-crime but shooting an unarmed suspected terrorist in the head in his home in front of his family is not.
I have no trouble with either, so it’s not me that has to explain how the two are different.
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