John Edwards is set to be indicted on charges of violating campaign-finance laws.
There will be much sport had out of the fact that Mr. “Two Americas,” the alleged working-class hero, turned to his gazillionaire pals — Bunny Mellon, the widow of banking heir Paul Mellon, and the late (and possibly crooked) Democratic fund-raiser/asbestos-chaser Fred Baron — to pay hush money to his mistress, “hiring” her to do videography “work.”
Conservatives will enjoy watching the odious Mr. Edwards suffer, of course. But I wonder: Should that sort of thing be illegal under campaign-finance laws? I will grant you unethical, distasteful, dishonest, vulgar, etc., but illegal as a matter of campaign finance? The times being what they are, it is not a crime to have a mistress, or even to lie about it casually. Being a cad is, in most jurisdictions, perfectly legal. Conning your gullible rich pals into underwriting your fling (and conning one of your sycophants into temporarily claiming paternity of the resulting offspring) is pretty awful behavior (though probably indicative of why Edwards was a wildly successful lawyer and probably would have been twice as dangerous as Barack Obama in the White House), but I do not see which part of that contains an element of what we now think of as a crime.
I do not want to encourage the activities of such as Mr. Edwards, of course, but I do not want to encourage the campaign-finance police to extend their reach ever-deeper into life beyond the campaign trail. If I am missing some obvious reason why this should be a crime, I would grateful for being corrected.
Obviously this is being done as a precedent for all-out war against the GOP.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYes, yes it should be illegal. If I donate money to a candidate, it should not be legal to use my money as hush money to cover up something they did. It doesn't matter to me whether what they are covering up is legal or not. People should be able to donate money to candidates without worrying about the money being flushed in an effort to cover a lie.
Now, if he used his personal money to cover it up, then no, it shouldn't be illegal.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseDrakes:
My understanding is that he did not use campaign donations for this, but that the authorities are arguing that the assistance offered by Mellon and Baron constituted an illegal campaign donation.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseA good point.
Just because you can legally do something does not mean you should do it.
This is but one example. Morals and ethics should not need to be criminalized. We, as a society should scorn people who act unethically and immorally. We should not imprison them.
On the other hand, this shows that the Citizens United decision is flawed. While money may be speech, money in politics is corrosive and excesses of money in politics leads to graft and corruption.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseDrakes: Devil's Advocate: If one donates money to someone who has something to cover up, isn't one getting what one paid for*?
This is a valid point of debate, but I think, personally, that when I donate to a politician, I am assuming the risk that that money may get spent buying votes, paying off a mistress, slipping the bus driver some extra cash so that the campaign can get out of NH really fast so that they can avoid paying the hotel bill - that sort of thing. I don't know that the donor is the one being wronged in this scenario. If the donor feels wronged, then they can stop donating.
This would be easier if the press was more reliable at digging into these folks, and we didn't have to rely on the National Enquirer to break this story.
*If I use the word "one" like that again will I turn into Jane Austen?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI agree with you, everything about Edwards is sleazy these days and I don't like any of it, but campaign finance laws should not be this all encompassing. Even though it is burning Edwards right now this and other complicated campaign laws are very effective at scaring away potential citizen legislators, clearing the way the field for the well to do and connected.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAgreed that campaign finance reform is getting out of hand. This is more about friends covering up an affair from a wife. Sleazy, but it is really not about campaign finance reform.
If there was a showing of political favortism (a quid pro quo) then maybe. But I suspect these friends would have helped out Edwards regardless.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAw, come on. This is like getting Al Capone for tax evasion. I am all for it.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe other argument is there should be transparency on where campaign funds get spent. Obviously that was not happening here. But that is true (I am sure) for all campaigns to some extent (hopefully not for things as sleasy as this).
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAllajn:
That Citizens United bit seems a stretch to me: John Edwards's wrongdoing was entirely removed from the need to raise campaign money; it had little to do with money, one thing of which Mr. Edwards has plenty. You are muddying the waters.
(Unrelated editorial note in re: some of yesterday's reader remarks: Okay, those captchas are annoying me, too, especially the Dish one. Will complain to the Suits about them.)
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseShould it be illegal? Yes. Should the punishment if found guilty be all that stiff? No, but it should come with a hefty financial penalty.
Campaigns use money for a lot of things, but I think the simple purpose is to convince people to vote for you. If a candidate accepts money with the hidden agenda of preventing foul information from emerging, thereby hiding a reason not to vote for him, then the candidate is accepting a campaign contribution.
The one thorny part of this: a lot of reporters knew about Edwards' affair, but covered it up. In my opinion, those should also be considered campaign contributions. But since Dan Rather got away with fraud, I guess if you are a reporter, then you are above the law.
Had Edwards drawn money out of his checking account instead, I would not care in the least. Being a snake is not and should not be against the law. It is quite frightening how close this jerk got to the Presidency.
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Perhaps I haven't made this clear, but my understanding is that the transactions in question were not paid out of campaign funds -- that is what makes the campaign-finance prosecution worrisome to me. So far as the transactions in question are concerned, Miss Hunter was paid by a third party (a nonprofit), not by the campaign. The charge is that this constitutes an illegal campaign donation. That seems to me odd.
Now, if the nonprofit had been charged with fraud or money-laundering, or if Edwards had been charged with suborning a crime of that sort, it would not seem to me remarkable. But unless I am misled on the facts (and it is a CBS story, bear in mind!) campaign funds were not involved.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhat MarkB said.
Of all the phony, sorry politicians in our day, Edwards is at the top of the pile. I'm still baffled how even the most ignorant of the democratic voter lot couldn't see through this guy.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMoney represents time, the time someone applied to some task to earn it and what it purchases is something someone else has put time into producing. So money is just an efficient way to transfer "time".
If I can legally work for a candidate on an unlimited basis, without pay, then why shouldn't I be allowed to spend another form of my "time" (my money) in an equally unlimited fashion on a candidate?
Everyone knows "time is money". Applying this logic then to all facets of campaign economics would simply mean similarly limiting the physical time one has to $2,000 worth of hours or allowing unlimited contributions. Since some people can better afford giving their physical time, the candidates who can appeal to this segment (students, retirees, unemployed, union personnel) has an unfair advantage over a candidate who doesn't appeal to these groups as long as their "time" is not regarded as "money".
Many have pointed out that Reagan would never have run for governor of California without initial support from a few, wealthy, people. Eugene McCarthy's campaign was similarly supported by a few individuals.
If I'm independently wealthy, I can spend anything on my campaign. So the reality of current campaign law means that often one has to be on one end of the political spectrum or another; run a campaign highly slanted to appeal to those who can "work" for your candidacy if you are poor or run any campaign you like if you have wealth.
End all limits on contributions. Just make all donations payable by personal check. Make contributions over $1000 public on an ongoing basis so voters can see if a candidate is getting outsized monetary support from one person or a group of affiliated people. Run audits, periodically, on campaigns, during campaigns, to make sure the donors are who they say they are. Don't publish the donors under $1,000 during the campaign to encourage donations from people who might, otherwise, be subject to intimidation (those able to give over $1,000 would appear to have the status to withstand intimidating tactics). Also, list all "volunteers" and their hours, similarly, with those over the $1,000 comparable donation time posted as well.
Put all this data on line with appropriate penalties for non-compliance both for donors as well as candidates.
What would this accomplish? It would level the playing field for all types of candidates. It would reveal those who MIGHT seek to influence a candidate by extraordinary generosity. It would allow someone very wealthy, with integrity, to fund a friend's campaign who they believed in.
In other words; money buys time that, ultimately, allows for or enhances "speech" in some manner. Either we believe in unlimited political "speech" and recognize all economic facets that apply to producing it or we continue to add an endless number of laws to limit, somehow "unacceptable" forms of facilitating political speech. "Unacceptable" being something bureaucrats and incumbents are left to define.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAgree with you. Mr. Williamson. I definitely do not like Edwards, but what was done should not be considered illegal.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI'm with mikeb, indicting a scoundrel is always a cause for celebration (see DSK).
Kevin W- this is the problem with you Right Wing wonks, you're so ... so... principled!! You need some of that Krugman and Brad DeLong shamelessness.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseKevin,
I think you already have your answer. If you keep talking about it, you'll end up where most of us are at this morning.
It should be against the law to do what Edwards is accused of doing - getting campaign donors to funnel money through a front company (the nonprofit) that will ultimately be used to fund specific campaign activities for the candidate. Keeping his love child out of the press is a specific campaign activity. There appears to have been an orchestrated plan to (as you put it) launder the money. If they had deposited the money in Edwards' checking account, this would not be a debate. Knowing this, Edwards used a front company. I bet the government did look at racketeering charges, but settled on the less severe campaign finance laws.
I'm not suggesting the non-profit should skate (co-conspirators?), or that the government has framed their case well as they try Edwards in the court of public opinion. Ham sandwich anyone? Press accounts are always dumbed down to the 8th grade level. If it goes to trial, you can bet the case will be very complex because Edwards and his donors probably were not dumb enough to use just one way to hide the money.
As somebody else pointed out, this is like Al Capone never "earning" a penny. Call it money laundering, call it what you will, but that activity should be illegal because the intent, the motive, is to deceive both the voters and the FEC about how you fund your campaign... that you're the kind of person who would give or take a bribe. There are a lot of things about CFR I don't like, but transparency isn't one of them.
Mostly I think it should come with a financial penalty. He shouldn't go to jail for it. Sadly, waterboarding John Edwards is not ethical.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseKevin: I'm coming down on the side of the folks who say this *is* a campaign contribution, because it's intent was to tailor the candidate's image, while avoiding proper accounting. As such, it is illegal, while not addressing the question of whether it should be illegal.
Related question: if this one is illegal, how about the hush money Arnold paid to keep that kid out of the news at exactly the time when his zipper problem was being scrutinized? Answer: this being out of his own pocket, no donor was involved, so it can't be seen as a contribution. I think that one is clear. No donor, didn't use campaign funds, no contribution, so not covered under the law.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseJag, I like your ideas related to ending limits on campaign donations. I would go one step further and say that you should not be allowed to contribute to a candidate for whom you cannot cast a vote. I don't like the idea that folks outside of my district can influence our elections.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI'm definitely sympathetic to Kevin's argument here. Applying campaign finance laws in this particular set of circumstances, seems like a stretch.
Now, there was a significant amount of money changing hands (allegedly). Wouldn't it be more likely that traditional gift-tax laws were violated, than campaign finance laws?
One caveat, we have no idea what kind of evidence the government might have about political promises Edwards may have given in exchange for this money - so, perhaps there's something there. I guess we'll have to read the indictment and then watch the government lay out their case in chief before we know for sure.
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