I agree with much of this reader’s take on the sorry state of the debt-ceiling talks:
I’ve been watching the debt negotiations play out with a bit of a sinking feeling–Obama’s strategy of offering $3 trillion in imaginary cuts in exchange for $1 trillion in tax increases was genius. The offer isn’t genuine–nobody knows where the $3 trillion comes from, other than that it doesn’t include real structural entitlement reform. But because the press hasn’t called him out on this, he’s able to come off looking pretty reasonable–i.e., asking for $1 dollar of new taxes for every $3 of spending cuts. Grover Norquist may not like it, but that’s where most of the country is (especially independents who decide elections), and it isn’t such a bad deal for Republicans–especially if the new revenue came from closing loopholes rather than raising marginal rates. The problem, of course, is that Obama isn’t really offering a 3 for 1 deal; he’s promising fake cuts in exchange for real tax increases that are designed to permanently finance the massive expansion of government he has sponsored over the past 2 and a half years. But the reasons why the President’s “cuts” are fake are difficult to convey (especially during the summer when no one is paying attention).
At the end of the day, a retreat along the lines that McConnell is proposing might be the best option. It would be hard for Obama to veto, and perhaps Republicans could offer it as a way to avoid default, but still continue to negotiate a deficit reduction package, so it won’t look like they are giving up.
I was particularly struck by the way the reader calls the McConnell’s Contingency “a retreat” in the course of defending it, since the plan’s biggest haters are keen on calling it a “surrender.” But not all retreats are capitulations, are they? I’m not personally in love with the McConnell plan, but I do know the senator is probably the Republicans’ best political tactician on the Hill — it’s not for nothing that one top Dem staffer called the plan a work of “evil genius.”
Consider: If it’s true that we’ll default on or around August 2nd, or — as is more likely the case — the frenzied fiscal juggling and partial shutdown of government services we’ll have to undertake to prevent default will disrupt the markets in a major way, and be all around bad for the full faith and credit of the United States, then McConnell’s plan isn’t purely about scoring political points. It’s about protecting the creditworthiness of the United States in a way that also scores maximum political points.
Look, liberal blogger Ezra Klein is absolutely correct when he (derisively) calls Mitch McConnell “the most honest man in Washington.” McConnell, time and again, puts his intentions — puts the strategic thinking behind his maneuvers — out there for everyone to see, as he did on Laura Ingraham’s radio show yesterday:
The highlights:
1:44 - “Doing the right thing for the country is our first obligation, but we cannot force a result, we need to do the next best thing and that’s clarify the differences between the two parties.”
2:14 – “They want to blame the economy on us and the reason default is no better an idea today than it was when Newt Gingrich tried it in 1995, is it destroys your brand, and it gives the president an opportunity to blame Republicans for a bad economy.”
3:03 - Laura: “While it puts the burden, it shifts the burden to the greatest extent to Obama, in effect there is kind of a vote at the beginning to raise the debt ceiling because you are ceding…”
McConnell: “No, no. It only authorizes the president to ask for it. There will be no vote to raise the debt ceiling I suspect by any Republican.”
Laura: “Isn’t that passing the buck, Senator? Isn’t that passing the buck of leadership to the White House?”
McConnell: “We’ve been trying to get this liberal president to sign a deal worth signing. You know it makes a difference when you only control a third of the government. If we were able to run the government out of the House of Representatives we would be able to get a result that we would like.”
4:40 – Laura: “When I see the New York Times on the other hand, praising the deal, Harry Reid seeming to be open to it, and even the White House murmers that it might be something acceptable I get a little nervous, why do you think they are embracing it?”
McConnell: “Because they want to raise the debt ceiling and of course we know that is going to happen. Just like we knew shutting down the government in 1995 was not going to work for us, it helped Bill Clinton get reelected. I refuse to help Barack Obama get reelected.”
Ugly and unpleasant as it is, I frankly don’t find much in McConnell’s analysis to disagree with. There seems to be no plan, and no hopes for a plan, that can pass both the House of Representatives and the Senate. There is no deal to be had that is a deal worth having. In light of this truth, what is to be done?
Most conservatives — including three-quarters of our readers if the current results of the homepage poll are representative — would issue McConnell a “stand or die” order. Believe me, I understand the sentiment. But again, not all retreats are capitulations. McConnell clearly thinks of this as a tactical retreat in the service of his overarching strategic objective: to make President Obama a one-term president. You can hate the McConnell plan because you don’t share his overarching strategic objective — i.e., you think it is more important to stand on conservative principles, whatever the consequences, than it is to oust President Obama — or because you share McConnell’s strategic objective but you don’t think his choice of means will serve it. But neither is the same thing as hating the plan because it’s a “surrender.”
Why not defer this debt issue to the next election? The election can be about debt and whether or not Obama should get the national credit card for another 4 years.
It's not the only way. It's just the very least I would settle for and only after first trying other options like the one proposed below by Lowry. As McConnell said, it's the last resort. It's up to the House for "prior resorts" and I hope they're working on one. If you drop eveything and go for this last resort now, it becomes a surrender.
Clarify the differences between the two parties... one is galling and shameless, the other has no shame or *alls either. And in the end galling and shameless wins out. But don't you worry folks, this retreat is tactical, so that we may live to be humiliated on other days. Remember the Boehner capitulation? Won't anybody clog this toilet?
McConnell's not much of a tactician given that his plan seems to be to wait for reinforcements which simply won't arrive unless the GOP scores a victory here.
This would be akin to Washington retreating from Saratoga, refusing to offer battle until the French entered the war. It was Saratoga which CAUSED the French to enter the war.
Until Republicans demonstrate they can beat Democrats---especially on ground as favorable as this is---who will join them?
How about hating the McConnell plan because it's a bad idea? Because it leads to $2 trillion more debt without one bit of guaranteed saving? Because it is based on the theory that "the debt ceiling will be raised, anyway"?
How about hating it because Harry Reid likes it?
Furthermore, given it has no chance of passage in the House, why put forward that which Dingy Harry likes and which gives the President cover?
NRO likes to talk about unforced errors. McConnell has just committed a doosie of an unforced error
I understand McConnell's strategy - force President Obama to raise the debt ceiling and take the blame for it. However, if he raises the debt ceiling - which is no sure thing - Democrats and their champions in the media will portray him as the only adult in the room, the only person willing to do the hard thing and the super hero who single-handedly saved social security and our economic status in the world. Republicans have a history of being hood-winked by Democrats and the McConnell strategy could provide one more opportunity to be hood-winked.
The Republicans aren't going to win the PR war so they might as well go ahead and do the right thing.
Good grief, one would think a politician that has been in Washington as long as McConnell would understand the ways of the PR/media world, but that evidently isn't the case.
“We’ve been trying to get this liberal president to sign a deal worth signing. You know it makes a difference when you only control a third of the government. If we were able to run the government out of the House of Representatives we would be able to get a result that we would like.”
Senator McConnell, not all of us are idiots. Many folks remember the lack of fiscal discipline Republicans had during the 108th & 109th congresses when Bush was president. You guys were nothing more that Statists lite while holding the reigns of government and your gang in DC just about buried the conservative brand for good.
The truth is the Republican Party will soon become a non-factor in American politics unless war horses like McConnell and Boehner are put out to pasture.
Worse than that, if one cuts Whigs some slack for the nation just when waking from its infancy, and the dissolution of "old" alignments had caught them off guard.
McConnell: “We’ve been trying to get this liberal president to sign a deal worth signing. You know it makes a difference when you only control a third of the government. If we were able to run the government out of the House of Representatives we would be able to get a result that we would like.”
Senator McConnell:
In the 80s we couldn't do anything as we only had a third of the gov't (the WH).
In the 90s we couldn't do anything as we only had two-thirds of the gov't (both houses of Congress)
In 2001-2002 we couldn't do anything as we only had two-thirds of the gov't (House and WH).
In 2003 we gave you three-thirds of gov't and:
"Senator McConnell, not all of us are idiots. Many folks remember the lack of fiscal discipline Republicans had during the 108th & 109th congresses when Bush was president. You guys were nothing more that Statists lite while holding the reigns of government and your gang in DC just about buried the conservative brand for good. "
In 2010, because of just how much of an open statist Obama was we believed you'd learned your lesson. And now we get:
We can't do anything as we only had a third of the gov't (the House).
The GOP is full of liars (some or all of the leadership) and fools (those who elect the leadership and maybe some of the leadership).
A third party cannot win in 2012 and will take a at least one cycle to build after it starts (GOP first national candidate for President was 1865) but continuing to believe the GOP cares about conservative goals and listening to "Obama is worse" only puts off what is necessary another cycle. How many cycles of "but we're slower socialists" do we allow before we accept a couple of cycles of the honest thing and fix it.
After all, if you keep adding 1/4 to 1/4 you eventually get to one anyway.
I think that Republican's main strategic objective has to be to make Obama a one-termer, and regain control of the Senate. All of us ideological purists need to understand that we can't fix what's broken in one 2-year term where Republicans control only 1/3 of the government. If Republicans want to "punish" members of Congress in 2012 by backing a primary contender, fine, but in the election in November, 2012, our best hope to fix this mess is to vote for the candidate with the R behind their name.
"McConnell clearly thinks of this as a tactical retreat in the service of his overarching strategic objective: to make President Obama a one-term president."
We all know that. The problem is that the tactics won't work for the long-term strategic goal while the short-term strategic goal will be sacrified.
His whole plan is based on managing perceptions of blame and converting those perceptions into electoral gains. The problem is that those perceptions can't be managed even at the moment, and, on the other hand, it is very unclear that they will matter in a year and a half.
Just because raising the debt ceiling is important and unpopular right now, does not mean that it will be important and unpopular in a year from now. In addition, WH and the press will also be working on those perceptions and it's not at all obvious that they won't win.
McConnell simultaneously believes that Republicans are powerless to deflect blame in the case of not-raised ceiling yet that they are omnipotent in deflecting it from raised-ceiling a year from now. Some convoluted Senate procedure that 1% of electorate will understand/remember will, supposedly, make all the difference. That just doesn't compute.
Agreed that making Obama a one-term president is a priority. And to go down in flames on conservative principles only to end up losing the country with a Obama second term is ludicrous. But why is it impossible for Republicans to convey that Obama's $3 trillion are imaginary? Is it that hard to convey that Obama is dishonest? The video is right there showing his flip-flop on Medicare solvency. The evidence is right there that he was dishonest about "keeping your doctor if you like him." If nothing else, can't they roll these untruths out, and then say, "And now, Mr. President, perhaps you can assure us of where these $3 trillion in cuts actually come from." Isn't it at least worth trying to make this case before we have a "strategic retreat?" Can't they at least try to alert the American people of what a deceptive man Obama is? Can't they start challenging reporters when they misreprent the situation in interviews? Isn't all that worth a try, and a lot better try than we've seen to date, with a lot more frank talk instead of crediting Obama with "good faith," before a strategic retreat like this is resorted to?
The ONLY reason to vote for a Republican at all is to enact a conservative agenda.
You are confusing means with ends.
Conservatives simply will not support a GOP ticket populated by RINOs who stand by and hand liberals policy victory after policy victory to avoid offending their country club buddies and David Frum's Georgetown cocktail party circuit.
If Boehner caves, Obama WILL be reelected. Period.
I and millions of other true conservatives will vote Tea Party.
After all, what good is defeating Obama once he's already allowed to borrow all the money he cares to by fiat?
We don't need more people to carry Obama's coat---we need people who will FIGHT him and the liberal agenda.
All you're doing is confirming why RINOs are on the ashheap of history. Goodbye.
If we had a Sen. leader like Rubio, if we had a House leader like Ryan, if we had a Congress that wasn't full of pansies afraid of what even greater pansies in the media say/write about them, we wouldn't need to plan out victorious retreats.
McConnell’s analysis isn’t necessarily wrong – if we assume that there could never have been a more favorable deal. The problem with McConell’s plan is that his very disclosure of it nearly three weeks before the deadline undercuts the possibility of the GOP ever getting a better deal. Really successful negotiators aren’t 100% honest in that they try and convince the other side that they are not willing to accept less. McConnell’s disclosure might make him “the most honest man in Washington,” but that’s hardly a virtue in this context.
Yes, I agree. he announces that there will be a debt increase for sure, then wants to negotiate for big cuts and no tax increases. Obama sits on his hands and waits, Mitch folds like a cheap suit. The question, was McConnell serious to start with, or playing his base like they were fools?
Why not defer this debt issue to the next election? The election can be about debt and whether or not Obama should get the national credit card for another 4 years.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt's not the only way. It's just the very least I would settle for and only after first trying other options like the one proposed below by Lowry. As McConnell said, it's the last resort. It's up to the House for "prior resorts" and I hope they're working on one. If you drop eveything and go for this last resort now, it becomes a surrender.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhen you negotiate, when is it ever wise to offer up your last resort first?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseClarify the differences between the two parties... one is galling and shameless, the other has no shame or *alls either. And in the end galling and shameless wins out. But don't you worry folks, this retreat is tactical, so that we may live to be humiliated on other days. Remember the Boehner capitulation? Won't anybody clog this toilet?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMcConnell's not much of a tactician given that his plan seems to be to wait for reinforcements which simply won't arrive unless the GOP scores a victory here.
This would be akin to Washington retreating from Saratoga, refusing to offer battle until the French entered the war. It was Saratoga which CAUSED the French to enter the war.
Until Republicans demonstrate they can beat Democrats---especially on ground as favorable as this is---who will join them?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHow about hating the McConnell plan because it's a bad idea? Because it leads to $2 trillion more debt without one bit of guaranteed saving? Because it is based on the theory that "the debt ceiling will be raised, anyway"?
How about hating it because Harry Reid likes it?
Furthermore, given it has no chance of passage in the House, why put forward that which Dingy Harry likes and which gives the President cover?
NRO likes to talk about unforced errors. McConnell has just committed a doosie of an unforced error
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI understand McConnell's strategy - force President Obama to raise the debt ceiling and take the blame for it. However, if he raises the debt ceiling - which is no sure thing - Democrats and their champions in the media will portray him as the only adult in the room, the only person willing to do the hard thing and the super hero who single-handedly saved social security and our economic status in the world. Republicans have a history of being hood-winked by Democrats and the McConnell strategy could provide one more opportunity to be hood-winked.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseBingo, Jenna, bingo.
The Republicans aren't going to win the PR war so they might as well go ahead and do the right thing.
Good grief, one would think a politician that has been in Washington as long as McConnell would understand the ways of the PR/media world, but that evidently isn't the case.
“We’ve been trying to get this liberal president to sign a deal worth signing. You know it makes a difference when you only control a third of the government. If we were able to run the government out of the House of Representatives we would be able to get a result that we would like.”
Senator McConnell, not all of us are idiots. Many folks remember the lack of fiscal discipline Republicans had during the 108th & 109th congresses when Bush was president. You guys were nothing more that Statists lite while holding the reigns of government and your gang in DC just about buried the conservative brand for good.
The truth is the Republican Party will soon become a non-factor in American politics unless war horses like McConnell and Boehner are put out to pasture.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAmen---RINO's are making the GOP into this generation's Whigs.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWorse than that, if one cuts Whigs some slack for the nation just when waking from its infancy, and the dissolution of "old" alignments had caught them off guard.
What's the militant moderate excuse?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMcConnell: “We’ve been trying to get this liberal president to sign a deal worth signing. You know it makes a difference when you only control a third of the government. If we were able to run the government out of the House of Representatives we would be able to get a result that we would like.”
Senator McConnell:
In the 80s we couldn't do anything as we only had a third of the gov't (the WH).
In the 90s we couldn't do anything as we only had two-thirds of the gov't (both houses of Congress)
In 2001-2002 we couldn't do anything as we only had two-thirds of the gov't (House and WH).
In 2003 we gave you three-thirds of gov't and:
"Senator McConnell, not all of us are idiots. Many folks remember the lack of fiscal discipline Republicans had during the 108th & 109th congresses when Bush was president. You guys were nothing more that Statists lite while holding the reigns of government and your gang in DC just about buried the conservative brand for good. "
In 2010, because of just how much of an open statist Obama was we believed you'd learned your lesson. And now we get:
We can't do anything as we only had a third of the gov't (the House).
The GOP is full of liars (some or all of the leadership) and fools (those who elect the leadership and maybe some of the leadership).
A third party cannot win in 2012 and will take a at least one cycle to build after it starts (GOP first national candidate for President was 1865) but continuing to believe the GOP cares about conservative goals and listening to "Obama is worse" only puts off what is necessary another cycle. How many cycles of "but we're slower socialists" do we allow before we accept a couple of cycles of the honest thing and fix it.
After all, if you keep adding 1/4 to 1/4 you eventually get to one anyway.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHoly dyslexia Batman:
"GOP first national candidate for President was 1865"
That should be 1856...and the first winning GOP candidate was in 1860.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI think that Republican's main strategic objective has to be to make Obama a one-termer, and regain control of the Senate. All of us ideological purists need to understand that we can't fix what's broken in one 2-year term where Republicans control only 1/3 of the government. If Republicans want to "punish" members of Congress in 2012 by backing a primary contender, fine, but in the election in November, 2012, our best hope to fix this mess is to vote for the candidate with the R behind their name.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"McConnell clearly thinks of this as a tactical retreat in the service of his overarching strategic objective: to make President Obama a one-term president."
We all know that. The problem is that the tactics won't work for the long-term strategic goal while the short-term strategic goal will be sacrified.
His whole plan is based on managing perceptions of blame and converting those perceptions into electoral gains. The problem is that those perceptions can't be managed even at the moment, and, on the other hand, it is very unclear that they will matter in a year and a half.
Just because raising the debt ceiling is important and unpopular right now, does not mean that it will be important and unpopular in a year from now. In addition, WH and the press will also be working on those perceptions and it's not at all obvious that they won't win.
McConnell simultaneously believes that Republicans are powerless to deflect blame in the case of not-raised ceiling yet that they are omnipotent in deflecting it from raised-ceiling a year from now. Some convoluted Senate procedure that 1% of electorate will understand/remember will, supposedly, make all the difference. That just doesn't compute.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAgreed that making Obama a one-term president is a priority. And to go down in flames on conservative principles only to end up losing the country with a Obama second term is ludicrous. But why is it impossible for Republicans to convey that Obama's $3 trillion are imaginary? Is it that hard to convey that Obama is dishonest? The video is right there showing his flip-flop on Medicare solvency. The evidence is right there that he was dishonest about "keeping your doctor if you like him." If nothing else, can't they roll these untruths out, and then say, "And now, Mr. President, perhaps you can assure us of where these $3 trillion in cuts actually come from." Isn't it at least worth trying to make this case before we have a "strategic retreat?" Can't they at least try to alert the American people of what a deceptive man Obama is? Can't they start challenging reporters when they misreprent the situation in interviews? Isn't all that worth a try, and a lot better try than we've seen to date, with a lot more frank talk instead of crediting Obama with "good faith," before a strategic retreat like this is resorted to?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe ONLY reason to vote for a Republican at all is to enact a conservative agenda.
You are confusing means with ends.
Conservatives simply will not support a GOP ticket populated by RINOs who stand by and hand liberals policy victory after policy victory to avoid offending their country club buddies and David Frum's Georgetown cocktail party circuit.
If Boehner caves, Obama WILL be reelected. Period.
I and millions of other true conservatives will vote Tea Party.
After all, what good is defeating Obama once he's already allowed to borrow all the money he cares to by fiat?
We don't need more people to carry Obama's coat---we need people who will FIGHT him and the liberal agenda.
All you're doing is confirming why RINOs are on the ashheap of history. Goodbye.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAnd before the deal is even struck, here comes Bernake to announce more stimulus in the works. Hi oh Silver, away.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIf we had a Sen. leader like Rubio, if we had a House leader like Ryan, if we had a Congress that wasn't full of pansies afraid of what even greater pansies in the media say/write about them, we wouldn't need to plan out victorious retreats.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMcConnell’s analysis isn’t necessarily wrong – if we assume that there could never have been a more favorable deal. The problem with McConell’s plan is that his very disclosure of it nearly three weeks before the deadline undercuts the possibility of the GOP ever getting a better deal. Really successful negotiators aren’t 100% honest in that they try and convince the other side that they are not willing to accept less. McConnell’s disclosure might make him “the most honest man in Washington,” but that’s hardly a virtue in this context.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYes, I agree. he announces that there will be a debt increase for sure, then wants to negotiate for big cuts and no tax increases. Obama sits on his hands and waits, Mitch folds like a cheap suit. The question, was McConnell serious to start with, or playing his base like they were fools?
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