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Downgrade Deniers

Democrats were legitimately shocked (or at least should have been) to hear that Standard and Poor’s was downgrading the United States’ AAA credit rating. After all, they were convinced that just raising the debt ceiling would be enough to convince the world that we’re “serious” about paying our bills:

Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, for example, told Fox Business back in April there was “no risk” that the United States would have its credit rating downgraded, because, he argued, congressional leaders would eventually reach a deal to raise the debt ceiling. Naturally, when asked by the New York Times’ John Harwood if the Obama administration’s policies were in any way responsible for the downgrade, Geithner said, “absolutely not.”

When Democrats did broach the topic of a downgrade, they presented it as an example of what would happen if those crazy tea-partiers got their way. “Congress is suggesting we may not vote to raise the debt ceiling,” Obama said at a Twitter town-hall meeting on July 6. “If we do not, then the Treasury will run out of money . . . and potentially the entire world capital markets could decide, you know what, the full faith and credit of the United States doesn’t mean anything. And so our credit could be downgraded.”

About a week later, S&P issued a report warning that the U.S. credit rating could be downgraded not only in the event of a default, but “unless substantial and credible agreement is achieved on a budget that includes long-term deficit reduction.” That didn’t stop House Democratic leaders from holding a press conference the next day to call for a “clean” increase to the debt ceiling without any deficit-reduction measures attached. “It’s looking like default or a clean extension,” Rep. Peter Welch (D., Vt.) told Politico. “We’re absolutely intent that we’re keeping our AAA credit rating.”

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   08/08/11 18:04

They have miscalculated every move. And still they keep digging the hole deeper.

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NJ Jim
   08/08/11 18:09

You know, in a way the Ds are right - the Tea Party is to blame for the downgrade. For Two years the Obama Administration was spending $3 for every $2 they collected and it took the Paul Ryan and the Tea Party to point out to these geniuses at S&P how unsustainable it all was?

Quiet as church mice were they until the debt ceiling fight. And I bet that had the 2010 election not gone the way it did and the Ds were in control and passed a clean rise in the ceiling without any fight S&P would still be silent.

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   08/08/11 18:53

New tactic: deny that S&P matters. Pretty difficult to make a solid case after they did all they could to talk up the rating. Even more difficult after the drubbing the Dow took today, which proves S&P matters.

But already the lefty pundits are on the air saying (a) S&P is wrong, and (b) S&P ratings are meaningless.

If the public was buying that line, it didn't show in the way investors reacted to the President's speech.

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   08/08/11 19:00

It was a joint effort by Republicans and Democrats. Any Republican or Democrat who claims otherwise is wrong.

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   08/08/11 19:04

really ... still try to play the "they all do it" game are you ...

funny but for all of the "anti-incumbent" backlash you talked about in 2010 it seems like every incumbent member of the GOP survived ...

won't work my liberal troll friend, won't work ...

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   08/08/11 23:26

See the drowning man clutch at everyone else as he goes down.

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donz
   08/08/11 19:23

Curious why you haven't quoted S&P's reason for their downgrade:

"Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act."

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This after Boehner bragged about getting 98% of what he wanted.

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buzz4t
   08/09/11 13:19

But that isn't true. Many Republicans support reigning in the EPA and labor board. To remove government impedance to job creation. They object to raising taxes on small businesses where most of the job creation comes from. When more people work, then tax revenue increases. Unless you were ignoring all that and were only talking about jacking up taxes. If so, never mind.

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Jay Evans
   08/09/11 14:04

uhh... Read farther down. They did it both ways and it's still not enough.

"Our revised upside scenario... In addition, it incorporates $950 billion of new revenues on the assumption that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for high earners lapse from 2013 onwards, as the Administration is advocating."

At best they might hold onto a AA+

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   08/08/11 19:48

Democrats believed raising the debt ceiling was all that needed to be done because their answer to every problem is to throw more money at it. Whether borrowing it from those who have it or confiscating it from those who earned it, Demcorats want more money coming in to support the spending they can't stop.

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Richbarnett
   08/08/11 20:26

Enough of these clown dogs.

Unemployment will never go above 8% either.

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gregorylsmith
   08/08/11 20:39

And sadly the beltway republicans are just as suprised, because they thought all they had to do to avoid a downgrade was pretend to cut the budget ten years from now.

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jusayin
   08/08/11 20:50

I am in full agreement w/donnadiorio's comment
It hits the nail on the head.
I know this is going to hurt some if not most dems hard but our entitlements @ 75 % are eating up the budget and growing are killing opportunities in this great country and is hurting not only the private sector but the government sector as well now it is time we looked this demon straight in the face and take a breath and deal w/ it finally.
There is scripture that says and I am paraphrasing
"The borrower is slave to the lender" so it is time we get our house in order because if we don,t we'll all be slaves!!!!!!

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Truck
   08/08/11 21:49

Here's an excellent analysis of deception and denial, given by Ronald Reagan's former solicitor-general:

"When John Boehner at the height of the debt ceiling crisis answered [Obama] on the national media he simply did not tell the truth. He said that the president would not compromise, would not take yes for an answer, and wanted it all his own way.

But he cannot have forgotten that he had negotiated Obama into far more cuts than Obama and his caucus had wanted, thought wise or even palatable in return for a modest increase in revenue to be achieved by closing egregious and unfair loopholes in personal and corporate taxes. This is the same compromise recommended by the “Gang of Six,” which included the extremely conservative and admirably patriotic Senator Tom Coburn, by the bipartisan Bowles-Simpson group, and by Republican economists like Martin Feldstein.

It was the Speaker who, Arafat-like, walked away from that deal because he concluded he lacked the skill or the muscle or the spine to sell it to his own caucus."

- Charles Fried, Ronald Reagan's solicitor-general.

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SouthofReality
   08/09/11 13:11

Oh, so Charlie Fried knows the Obama plan? That's amazing because no one else does. All we have are spins and press leaks. The CBO can't score a speech and they darn sure can't score a press leak.

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Artpen
   08/09/11 13:53

Perhaps you can link to the budget that you seem to think Obama proposed that would have saved us from a downgrade.

In any event, according to press reports which seem uncontradicted (feel free to post some to the contrary), Boehner and Obama had agreed on $800k of revenue increases, which apparently did not include rate changes, and changes in the age of eligility for entitlement. The former would undoubtedly have been a hard sell, but what caused the negotiations to fail was that the Dem leadership instructed Obama that the entitlement age change had to be dropped and the tax increase had to be $1.2M, presumably including rate increases. This appears to be what Boehner referred to as moving the goalposts, past the point where the speaker had the votes.

So it appears to me to be Fried who may be stretching the truth.

But that I think the Harvard prof's larger point is that he liked the Gang of Six proposal or maybe even the Simpson Bowles proposal better than what came out. Not to endorse either (both were mixed bags), but fine, those were already compromise proposals. While Obama said he liked Go6, though, he did nothing to get it passed with the Senate. He never put it in play - he could not even get his own party to support it (it was full of nonstarters with the Democrats). And it is doubtful he ever intended to. So if Go6 was not accepted, Fried should look to the weak leadership in the White House for abandoning it and doing whatever other things he thought he was doing in the negotiations. Maybe if Obama had some goal in mind other than getting the debt ceiling off the table until after his next election, he might have done something more to Fried's liking.

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ez
   08/09/11 18:30

Democrats want higher taxes ON EVERYONE they just dont' have the cojones to say it. They don't want to cut spending.

Republican dont' want higher taxes but do want to cut spending.

Obama proposed in his budget a 4billion cut. What a pathetic joke.

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   08/08/11 23:04

The lead democrats strike the pose of some among us who are up to their eyeballs in credit card debt - the solution that is obvious to them is to secure another credit card and keep on spending. This is as tenderly insane as believing in the existence of perpetual motion machines and unicorns that excrete jelly beans and pink lemonade.

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Truth hurts
   08/09/11 13:09

S&P and the Tea Party are now as despised among the Democrats as the little boy in the fable who pointed out that the Emperor had no clothes, and for the same reason.

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Neo
   08/09/11 13:34

The only argument missing is to say that S&P has violated the 14th amendment by questioning the federal debt.

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