Romney: Solid again, still not really challenged.
Gingrich: Signs of the guy everyone thought would thrive in the debates, although he took his complaints over the questions a little too far by the end.
Pawlenty: Cheap, unfunny shot against Romney. He’s opened up what ultimately will probably be a telling line of attack against Bachmann, but looks querulous in pursuing it so vigorously now. Still seems tinny and doesn’t fill the stage.
Bachmann: Always very poised. Some of her shots against Pawlenty were unfair, but she probably won the exchange. Strong performer, but she may seem too canned over time.
Huntsman: His voice was shaky. Had even less gravity than Pawlenty. This was the candidate the mainstream press told us would be so formidable?
Santorum: Didn’t get much airtime during the first half of the debate, then got sidetracked into endless quarrels with Ron Paul.
My scorecard...
Tactical Victory: Newt
Strategic Victory: Romney, Bachmann
Losers: Pawlenty, Huntsman
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYou got it right. I really enjoyed watching Newt smack down of Chris Wallace. Wallace's face had the look of a naughty boy coming out of the principal's office.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe fact that Rich Lowery doesn't even mention Ron Paul shows how bad National Review has gotten under his leadership.
National Review used to have Giants like Russell Kirk. Now Walter Mondale's former speechwriter Charles Krauthamer is a big deal.
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As someone who started reading National Review in the 1960s it is sad to say the magazine has become a NeoCon rag.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNational Review may or may not suffer under the current leadership (I've long been underwhelmed, myself). But the extent that they do, it isn't because they refuse to take Ron Paul seriously. The man is to the left of Obama on foreign policy. And his prescriptions for domestic policy can be a little wacky (legalize heroin and prostitution?)
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI'm happy that Rich didn't mention that loon. He has no place in a Republican-primary with that suicidal foreign policy of his.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNeocon rag?
What does it say about Ron Paul when fully half of his supporters ADMIT that if Paul isn't the nominee, then they're going to vote for either Obama or a 3rd Party?
Just because Paul has somewhat reasonable positions on taxing and spending doesn't mean he's a conservative - a classical liberal perhaps, but not a conservative (neo-conservative or otherwise).
Our enemy is not our enemy because of our position on Israel, or on anything else. Our enemy is our enemy because their god commands them to be our enemy. I'm sorry Dr. Paul isn't smart enough to understand this very clear and incontrovertible fact.
When he says absolutely IDIOTIC things like, "If we mind our own business, no one will bother us", he disqualifies himself from absolutely any serious discussion as a Republican president.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseRon Paul is the only traditional conservative running. Limited government at home and abroad. He is Mr Conservative. I've voted for every Republican for President since Richard Nixon up to 2004. I regret voting for Bush in 2000. With the rise of what George Will calls the most radical people in Washington DC the Neocons the Republican party just wasn't a viable option for me. There's nothing conservative about militarism.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAs someone who has also been reading NR since the (early) 60s I can think of no time that it has ever supported the kind of pacifistic/isolationist-divorced-from-reality ravings that we heard tonight from Ron Paul. The man is a better fit for a padded room than the Oval Office, and that is from someone who actually agrees with him on domestic/financial issues about 85 or so percent of the time. The fact that a lunatic makes occasional sense does not, however, make me more inclined to make him President. In fact, he is the only candidate in the field who would force me to go fishing rather than beat down the door to the polling booth to help oust Obama. A dithering socialist is bad enough, but I would not be able in good conscience to turn the country over to someone who seems so obviously unstable.
Santorum's "quarrels with Ron Paul" were very strong. He was passionate and saying things that needed to be said. He surprised me in this debate.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseRich, I feel like I've become the internet's lone Pawlenty defender, but I thought he did better than people are giving him credit for. I think some pundits maybe underestimating the appeal of attacking Bachmann for being a speechgiver and a gadfly with no record. Further, Bachmann was simply untruthful in some of her attacks. For whatever it is worth I talked to my Father who is 84 and unsolicited he said he liked "the Governor of Minnesota." (I'm the Frank Luntz of the WW2 vet set!) Whether this means anything and he can gain any momentum out of Ames remains to be seen.
The Santorum-Paul moments while fun, were a waste of time in my opinion. Neither has much of a chance, and the debate over foreign policy is likely to be with Obama not within the GOP. I thought Bachmann came off poorly in the statements about the debt ceiling, but probably not with the hardcore base.
That is all.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseBut most of the people on the stage tonight support Obama on foreign policy. I know Rick Santorum does. Bachmann, Pawlenty, Gingrich, etc etc. They all want to go to war with Iran. So does National Review.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNational Review does not want to go to war with Iran no more than Bill Buckley and the National Review of the 1960's wanted to go to war with the Soviet Union. Nevertheless, then as now the National Review stood up for a strong foreign policy over those who like Ron Paul now would overlook the threats to our national security. I haven't been reading the National Review since the 1960's, but I have been reading since the 1980's, and though Rich may not make the same choices as Bill Buckley he is an honorable successor who has continued to make National Review the most important conservative publication--digital and print.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI guess you don't read Bolton, Pipes, May or Nordlinger.
National Review has learned nothing over the past ten years. The twin disaster of Iraq and Afghanistan
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWilliam R,
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAs someone who has also been reading NR since the (early) 60s I can think of no time that it has ever supported the kind of pacifistic/isolationist-divorced-from-reality ravings that we heard tonight from Ron Paul. The man is a better fit for a padded room than the Oval Office, and that is from someone who actually agrees with him on domestic/financial issues about 85 or so percent of the time. The fact that a lunatic makes occasional sense does not, however, make me more inclined to make him President. In fact, he is the only candidate in the field who would force me to go fishing rather than beat down the door to the polling booth to help oust Obama. A dithering socialist is bad enough, but I would not be able in good conscience to turn the country over to someone who seems so obviously unstable.
For a start I suggest you get a dictionary and look up what isolationism means. Nothing Ron Paul said tonight could be construed as being isolationist.
Then read this lecture Russell Kirk gave at the Heritage Foundation 20 years ago because he sounds like Ron Paul talking about the Middle East.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI don't know if it's isolationism or whatever, but If you read some of his comments on 9-11 he sounds like a mental patient.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhat's Ron Paul say about 9/11 that makes him sound like a mental patient?? We suffered blow back possibly?? That's what our CIA says
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseRon Paul talking on the Alex Jones show (a show for mental patients, host by a mental patient):
CALLER: I want a complete, impartial, and totally independent investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 . I’m tired of this bogus garbage about terrorism. Ask Michael Meacher about how he feels about this bogus war on terrorism. Can you comment on that please?
REP. PAUL: Well, that would be nice to have. Unfortunately, we don’t have that in place. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight. But you know, for top level policy there’s not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real investigation isn’t going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing for it. And like you and others, we see the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYeah it was really the Jews behind 9-11. It's not too shocking Israel does espionage in the US, we spy on them and people in Israel too. Allies spying on each other or on people in allied countries is old news.
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