Get FREE NRO Newsletters

 

June 11 Issue  |  Subscribe  |  Renew

Close

New on NRO . . .

The Corner

The one and only.

Print   |  Text
 

Christianity, Politics, and the ‘Submission’ Question

It is a very sad thing to see seemingly smart people try to talk intelligently about things they misunderstand so horribly. This often happens when it comes to religion and politics. And it happened in last night’s Republican candidate’s debate from Iowa, when Byron York asked Rep. Michele Bachmann, because of her evangelical Christian faith, “As President, would you be submissive to your husband?”

The best response to such a snarky and uninformed question was not by the candidate, but from the crowd itself. They jeered loudly and passionately. Good for them.

First, the subtext of the question is that a devout Christian woman who takes her faith seriously cannot be her own person and that if we elect Bachmann, won’t she just be a female puppet of her husband? Mr. York is not the only journalist asking the question. It is really an obscene question, both in its blatant misunderstanding of Christian teaching and in the disrespect it shows the candidate as a woman and a wife.

First, Christianity is no backwoods belief system held by only a few scattered folks here and there. It is a major cross-cultural and historical belief system that has dramatically shaped nearly all of Western and much of Eastern culture. There is no excuse for an intelligent person not to have some familiarity with its teachings in both theory and practice. But alas, such is not the case.

Far too many like to use the “wives, be submissive to your husbands” teaching of Christianity (found in I Peter 3 and Ephesians 5:22) as some kind of proof that Christian women should submit themselves to being treated either like slaves at best or cavewomen at worst, dragged around by their Paleolithic hair. That has never been a part of orthodox Christian teaching or practice. It just hasn’t. And this is what was really behind the question. The Iowa audience got that right off the bat.

Bachmann’s answer was absolutely right. The Christian scriptures teach that husband and wife respect one another as one flesh. But submission is clearly not a one-way street. In fact, in I Peter, the text under discussion, Peter tells all of us, men and women, to “submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him.”

A king is kind of like a president. So not only are all of us called to be submissive to others, but had Mr. York bothered to review the text he was questioning Bachmann on — seems like a reasonable thing to do — he would have found that the text actually calls on Mr. Bachmann, and all other believers, to submit to the authority of the president. Let’s break this down a bit.

Yes, Michele would be called, under her faith, to submit herself to the leadership and protection of her husband in their marriage. And I trust she is quite happy to do so. But no, it does not mean he is her boss, but rather that he is to — and this is critically important to understand — obey God’s command to him for “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.”

Christian husbands are commanded to be to their wives as Christ was to Church. Christ’s burden is light. He does not lord His authority over believers, but instead laid His life down for his Bride. C.S. Lewis explains this basic Christian teaching:

Christian writers (notably Milton) have sometimes spoken of the husband’s headship with a complacency to make the blood run cold. We must go back to our Bibles. The husband is head of the wife just in so far as he is to her what Christ is to the Church. He is to love her as Christ loved the Church — read on — and give his life for her. This headship, then, is most fully embodied not in the husband we should all wish to be, but in him whose marriage is most like a crucifixion, whose wife receives most and gives least.

That, my friends, is what Christianity teaches about marriage and therefore, what the Bachmann’s marriage seeks to emulate, no doubt.

But it also means, and this is more to Mr. York’s question, that Marcus Bachmann, as a faithful Christian, would also be called to be submissive to Michele, not in their marriage, but in her role as our nation’s leader. This is true of every president, male or female. President Obama has responsibilities as our nation’s president, but also as a husband and a father.

And a good president and his family don’t confuse the two. Nor should a good journalist.

A marriage has one set of rules. A presidency has another. And most people know the difference. And Christianity teaches (for those who do their homework) that submission is a two-way street, never falling unfairly on either husband or wife. It is an equal-opportunity calling. If it wasn’t, it wouldn’t have been women who formed the primary foundation and growth of the Church throughout the world and the centuries, as Rodney Stark aptly explains.

— Glenn T. Stanton is the director of Family Formation Studies at Focus on the Family and a research fellow at the Institute of Marriage and Family. He is also author of the recent book Secure Daughters, Confident Sons: How Parents Guide Their Children into Authentic Masculinity and Femininity.

New on The Corner. . .


COMMENTS   46

EXPAND  

 cab
   08/12/11 14:01

"Yes, Michele would be called, under her faith, to submit herself to the leadership and protection of her husband in their marriage."

And that's what she should have said instead of muddling the answer and seeming to dissemble. She should have been prepared for that question.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
cbridges6159
   08/12/11 14:12

And people thought John Kennedy would take his orders from the Vatican--people,that is, who didn't understand Catholicism or know Kennedy.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
Paul M
   08/12/11 14:15

So in order to illustrate that the use of the term submission doesn't really indicate a lower status for the woman in the marriage, we're to consider a comparison where the man is like the perfect and all powerful son of God while the woman is like a bunch of sinners who have been saved solely through faith? Unless you are saying that the relationship between Christ and the Church is a relationship of equals I'm really not sure you are helping your case there...

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
   08/12/11 14:44

Take it up with Apostle Paul -- or better yet, the Son of God who hand-picked Paul to be His apostle.

The analogy isn't ours by origin.

But, really, nowhere does Paul compare the husband to Christ in His power, but only urges him to emulate Christ IN HIS SACRIFICIAL LOVE.

"Treasure your wife the way Christ loves you." Wow, what a terrible message for men.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
   08/12/11 14:16

"snarky and uninformed question"

Yes - because as we all know the country at large shares the exact sensibilities of Focus on the Family. If she couldn't handle this softball - she doesn't deserve to be president.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
   08/12/11 14:17

Knowing the area where York was raised, I think he is probably up on all of the scripture as well as the many different interpretations. I thought he was giving Bachmann the chance to settle the puppet thing for all time. Unfortunately, she pretty much blew it - unless she was trying to keep the cave men and women on her side - in which case I still think sheblew it. Being submissive in a marriage and being submissive outside a marriage are two entirely different things. She needs to find the right way to say it.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
   08/12/11 14:17

You can spin it all you want Glenn, but it clearly states “wives, be submissive to your husbands”. It tells husbands to love your wives, among other things, but nowhere does it state husbands, be submissive to your wives. And when Bachmann says that what that means to her is mutual respect, she performs the same acrobatics other bible interpreters do, they change the meaning to fit their own belief. It was a horrible question for a presidential debate and York should be laughed out of any future debates, but her answer stands for itself. Bachmann has her own personal interpretation of scripture when convenient, and that is just another nail in her electability coffin. That and her light bulb bill.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
   08/12/11 14:29

Having your own interpretation of Scripture is a "nail in [an] electability coffin"? That's a new one.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
   08/12/11 14:51

It's one of them. I can't wait for the next debate (if she's still around) to hear her answer about the age of the earth and evolution.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
   08/12/11 15:31

I realize I should ignore such comments, but against my better judgment: You are arguing that no one is electable who has an interpretation of Scripture. Is that right?

By the way, all indications are that she will still be "around" for some time to come.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
   08/12/11 17:14

"You are arguing that no one is electable who has an interpretation of Scripture."

Not at all Hardknuckles. It is ONE nail. Many nails are needed to secure the coffin shut. It is her personal twisting of “wives, be submissive to your husbands” to fit her political agenda. In one setting appealing to the nutjobs, and in another setting, saying it means mutual respect. It was she who used the phrase when speaking to the believers “The Lord says be submissive. Wives, you are to be submissive to your husbands”. Then on national television when asked about the statement, she claims that submissive means mutual respect. Well Bachmann is no dummy, she knows she would be laughed off the stage if she gave the same INTERPRETATION about being submissive to the studio and television audience. So she changes the INTERPRETATION. Funny thing, Youtube.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
jfh
   08/12/11 14:17

Mr Stanton, I understand why you'd respond to the question in this manner. The instinct to be frustrated by a seemingly ignorant question is reasonable, as indicated by the crowd's response.

Still, it could be seen as an opportunity to clarify the misunderstanding implicit in the question. And it's possible that Byron York intended it that way - allowing the candidate to express something along the lines of what you've written.

On the other hand, since Michele Bachmann is neither a pastor nor teacher (in so far as I know), maybe we shouldn't expect her candidacy to include the ability to be articulate on biblical and theological subject matter.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
   08/12/11 14:19

York's question was based on Bachmann's own quote about being submissive to her husband, not his understanding of Christianity. This entire post is unnecessary because it criticizes something that wasn't happening.

Bachmann said it, and at some point it was going to come up in relation to her understanding of what it would mean in a Bachmann presidency. Better to have it come up now in the form of a question from York, as opposed to later when it's Chris Matthews or someone else asking the question.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
robert klein
   08/12/11 14:33

Kyle G is 100% correct and Glen is a clown manufacturing an issue that does not exist. Byron's question was in relation to what Bachmann said not what scriptures say. Furthermore every overtly religious candidate on either side deals with similar questions- JFK fidelity to Pope, Romney's Mormonism, Obama and Reverend Wright. Finally let's stop acting like Bachmann is mainstream, she is not. I am as conservative as they come and she is not conservative, she is dilusional.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
rick goff
   08/16/11 11:30

Very good analysis Kyle. i said the same thing you are saying. did you happen to notice she never even answered the underlying question? all she had to say was something to the effect of - hey, i am the expert and i will make the decisions. of course she is no expert. she could not manage to tell the truth about the necessity of raising the debt ceiling either. the ceiling had to be raised. she once again chose to lie about it. as Santorum said: showmanship, not leadership. that woman is a mistake looking for a place to happen. she has respect for her husband, ok that is great. how about showing enough respect for the American people to tell the truth to the American people. i am sick of politicians' lies.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
 Dave
   08/12/11 14:22

No amount of ex post facto modernist rationalization can ever change the fact that the words were NOT written, "Husbands, submit to your wives as to the Lord."

The best answer-- which is also the CORRECT answer, BTW-- would be that not every sentence of the Bible is to be taken literally, for not every sentence of the Bible is consistent with the other. In fact, sorting out the inconsistencies in the Bible provides lifetime employment for thousands, if not millions, worldwide.

There's no more reason to take the "submission" lines literally as there is to take that whole six days thing literally. It's the *spirit* of the Book that matters, which of course does teach that husbands and wives should love and respect each other.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
   08/12/11 14:41

Dave, it's no "ex post facto modernist rationalization" to read the command IN CONTEXT.

Ephesians 5:22: "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord."

Ephesians 5:25: "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."

They're not identical, but most real-world relationships aren't symmetrical -- and how would a democracy of two people ever break any ties?

The biblical model for marriage is assymetrical, but it involves sacrificial love on both sides, where each honors one's spouse, placing that spouse first.

About the supposed inconsistency and incoherence of the Bible, Christ affirmed Scripture to the smallest penstroke; that's good enough for me.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
cbridges6159
   08/12/11 15:20

@Lawrence, and Dave before him:

The Ephesians passage calls for mutual submission: "Submit yourselves to each other in the fear of Christ" (Eph 5.21). The following verses show how each household member submits:

>>The woman submits by submitting to her husband. (I know it's redundant, but that's the text.)

>>The husband submits by loving the wife.

>>Children submit by obeying their parents.

>>Parents submit(!) by raising their children godly and not discouraging them.

>>Slaves submit by obeying their masters.

>>Masters submit(!) by treating their slaves fairly and remembering that they too have a master in heaven.

So yes, the whole household code is about mutual respect, much as Bachmann said.

Context, people! It's all about context!

Sorry, that's the Bible professor in me bursting out on a political blog. I'll go back inside now.

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
Jba
   08/16/11 11:57

You've hit the nail on the head here; this passage talks about slaves submitting to masters. That doesn't mean modern day slavery or racism necessarily, although in some ways racism did exist in the ancient world (it's not a uniquely American concept).

But the submission code, however "mutual" it might be, is brutally incoherent and a pretty lame attempt at ethics without some serious mental gymnastics...

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
Bill Wilde
   08/12/11 14:46

Boy Dave, thank you for giving us the "CORRECT" answer, I'll bet you've got one of those for every question under the sun. Actually as a born again Christian, I do believe that every word of the Bible is faithful and true, God given and inerrant. I also believe that the supposed inconsistencies are only emblematic of our limited (human) understanding. This may not be your "CORRECT" answer, but It gives me hope thru faith thru God's infinite grace. Praying for You, Bill

Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse
Load More Comments

Add a Comment

Already Registered? Log In Here.


The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly.


* Designates a required field.
© National Review Online 2012
All Rights Reserved.
Subscriptions
NR / Print
NR / Digital

Gift Subscriptions
NR / Print
NR / Digital
NR Apps
iPhone/iPad
Android

NRO Apps
iPhone
Support Us
Donate
Media Kit
Contact