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Texas Schools Revisited

Some things you just have to keep saying over and over until it sinks in. Some very elementary facts about education statistics have not yet sunk in with Arne Duncan, who is … what is he? … oh yes: the U.S. Secretary of Education!

“Far too few of their high school graduates are actually prepared to go on to college,” Duncan said on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital With Al Hunt” airing tonight and tomorrow. “I feel very, very badly for the children there.”

So let’s limp up to explain it once more.

The canard about Texas school failure came up back in February when the innumerate and statistically incompetent New York Times columnist Paul Krugman tried to argue that low levels of public spending in Texas resulted in poor educational outcomes.

Compassion aside, you have to wonder — and many business people in Texas do — how the state can prosper in the long run with a future work force blighted by childhood poverty, poor health and lack of education.

This was shortly after the brouhaha over public-sector unions — which mostly means teacher unions — in Wisconsin. The Economist chimed in with a snide comparison:

Only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators and have deemed it illegal. Those states and their ranking on ACT/SAT scores are as follows:

South Carolina — 50th
North Carolina — 49th
Georgia — 48th
Texas — 47th
Virginia — 44th

If you are wondering, Wisconsin, with its collective bargaining for teachers, is ranked 2nd in the country.

The whole Krugman/Economist thesis was decisively exploded by blogger Iowahawk in a March 2nd post. Iowahawk pointed out what everyone acquainted with psychometric or educational statistics knows: that the only meaningful population comparisons are those that have been disaggregated by race and ethnicity.

In fact, the lion’s share of state-to-state variance in test scores is accounted for by differences in ethnic composition. Minority students — regardless of state residence — tend to score lower than white students on standardized tests, and the higher the proportion of minority students in a state the lower its overall test scores tend to be … Whatever combination of reasons, the gap exists, and it’s mathematical sophistry to compare the combined average test scores in a state like Wisconsin (4% black, 4% Hispanic) with a state like Texas (12% black, 30% Hispanic).

Iowahawk went on to perform the necessary disaggregation, showing that:

White students in Texas perform better than white students in Wisconsin, black students in Texas perform better than black students in Wisconsin, Hispanic students in Texas perform better than Hispanic students in Wisconsin. In 18 separate ethnicity-controlled comparisons, the only one where Wisconsin students performed better than their peers in Texas was 4th grade science for Hispanic students (statistically insignificant), and this was reversed by 8th grade. Further, Texas students exceeded the national average for their ethnic cohort in all 18 comparisons; Wisconsinites were below the national average in 8, above average in 8.

Iowahawk got a huge email bag from that post. He responded with a follow-up on March 5th, from which:

After controlling for ethnicity, compared to the running-dog Gang of Five non-collective bargaining states (TX, VA, SC, NC, GA), Wisconsin is a (1) middling performer for white students; (2) below middling for Hispanic students, and (3) an absolute disaster for black students.

If I were Rick Perry I’d have Iowahawk’s analysis displayed on billboards on state highways. It’s depressing, though not the least bit surprising, that Barack Obama’s secretary of education has never heard of it, nor even (it seems) given a moment’s thought to the underlying issues.

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Just Some Guy
   08/19/11 09:10

Cut Duncan some slack. He feels badly. Bad feelers commonly have trouble with numbers.

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   08/19/11 09:19

The U.S. Secretary of Education feels "badly"?

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   08/19/11 09:27

What a can of worms Democrats are opening here. It seems they will be forced to address the low performance of blacks and Hispanics dragging down the average. I'm sure we'll get a healthy dose of that "racist" word tossed about. I think that is Obama's campaign slogan in 2012, "Punish racist, elect me".

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   08/19/11 09:40

This is a particularly untimely discussion for President Obama who just enacted an administrative version of the DREAM Act (after he left town, of course). The Homeland Security Department's version of the DREAM Act includes a list of conditions that make illegal immigrants eligible for legal status. Thus, instead of being deported, which is where they are headed, illegal immigrants will be welcomed into our society as legal residents.

Given the poor performance of Hispanics, perhaps GDP should be added to the conditions list, as providing legal status to poorly educated illegal immigrants with little hope of supporting themselves and their families won't be a great campaign optic for the President given our country's dire economic situation.

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   08/19/11 09:28

When the focus of your education system (federal, state or local) is whether Johnny and Susie can read, write, add, subtract, etc... you will have students prepared for what comes next. When the focus of your education system is equity, racial imbalance, cost per pupil, etc... you are not educating anyone beyond the one statistician required to complete the report. The rest of the conversation is social policy manipulation disguised as 'feel good' BS. When 'educators' forget the definition of that word the students are the first to suffer.

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   08/19/11 09:29

If educators are devoted to children and teaching - which is what they keep telling us - why would their collective bargaining rights impact the quality of education they provide? Collective bargaining rights deal with teacher compensation and benefits and have nothing to do with a teacher's devotion - or lack thereof - to his or her students and job. Is it Mr. Krugman's contention that teachers without collective bargaining rights aren't as skilled and devoted as teachers with those rights?

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   08/19/11 09:30

Leaving aside the nonsense about performance in Texas, you'd think that a man who ran the Chicago school system for 8 years would have more sense than to open his piehole about educational failure.

That goes double for his hapless boss, a man who has as his most notable professional accomplishment the fact that he managed to make over $100 million of Annenberg money vanish without improving Chicago schools one iota.

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   08/19/11 10:22

Indeed. Now he has moved up to the big league, making 10,000 times that amount (this time, money we don't even have) vanish without improving the economy one iota.

A true master of destruction.

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   08/19/11 09:43

it is outrageous that Obama is using his cabinet secretaries to campaign for him. Those departments are allegedly working for the country, not for Obama.

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   08/19/11 09:45

Arne Duncan previously served as the head of the Chicago Public Schools. Under his tenure, what was the percentage of CPS graduates that received a Bachelors' degree by the age of 25? 6%. SIX PERCENT!

Go here: External Link  and then scroll down to "Performance."

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E.C. Gach
   08/19/11 09:52

So, Texas has more minorities, therefor don't judge it too harshly?

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RLH
   08/19/11 10:38

What an inane, mindless comment. Let's turn it around.

Since Wisconsin doesn't have many minorities to pull their average down the state doesn't have to bother educating them at all?

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   08/19/11 10:38

No--just compare the rankings among similar groups, if you're interested in how *education* really differs in those states.

Different racial and ethnic groups perform differently in school, and the racial make-up of these states is very different. If you lump everybody together in the comparison, then the difference in SAT scores is largely going to be driven by the difference in racial make-up. Oh--and the difference in SAT participation rate. That's very important, too, as Iowahawk notes.

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mike ster
   08/19/11 10:43

E.C. - where does that comment come from? Nobody is saying we should give TX slack, but just pointing out that if you break the numbers down, TX looks better than WI - contrary to what many on the left are claiming. It's not that hard to understand, really.

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E.C. Gach
   08/19/11 11:28

HA, that's exactly what you're saying! Don't count their higher minority population against them!

Don't blame Texas's poor overall record on education on Texas, blame it on too many minorities pulling down the average. That's exactly what this post is about. That's what "disaggregation" is about.

Nothing wrong if you think that's a more appropriate way to analyze the data. But you can't claim that's now what the article is doing.

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   08/19/11 13:25

The fact is that the minorities are dragging the average down. This is true all over the country, not just in Texas.

Why does dealing with reality bother you so?
The fact remains that Texas does a better job of educating minorities than do most states.

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E.C. Gach
   08/19/11 14:00

This post mentions Wisconsin, not other states.

Derbyshire pivots from attacking comparisons of Texas with other states, to only defending it as better than Wisconsin. Couldn't find anything comparing it with the country at large.

My guess is that, at least in science, they probably lag behind.

Though they may excel in religious studies.

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E.C. Gach
   08/19/11 14:30

Check the data. Texas does not do a better job than "most."

This post would leave most with the impression that after "disaggregating" the data, Texas has a steller education record. Not so. It ranks in the bottom half of states.

It beats Wisconsin, but doesn't accomplish much else.

Similarly, when looking at graduation rates, there is little correlation, one way or the other, with unionization. It's fair to say that states without unions aren't really worse than ones with unions.

It's incorrect, however, to say that states without unions do a BETTER job of educating.

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E.C. Gach
   08/19/11 11:23

No, just pointing out that while most at NRO don't agree with singling out people along racial lines for affirmative action, they're find with doing it for, I guess one might say, "affirmative failure?"

Don't count blacks and latinos as part of the overall population! Disaggregate them, i.e. let's perform statistical segregation.

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E.C. Gach
   08/19/11 11:24

No, just pointing out that while most at NRO don't agree with singling out people along racial lines for affirmative action, they're find with doing it for, I guess one might say, "affirmative failure?"

Don't count blacks and latinos as part of the overall population! Disaggregate them, i.e. let's perform statistical segregation.

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