Peter Kirsanow suggests my new book may get the blame for the earthquake. I’m happy to take credit for the downgrade and the London riots, but to the best of my recollection there’s no ‘quake in there. However, since he brought it up, I’d like to put in a word for my book’s general line on China re Joe Biden’s disgusting remarks on Beijing’s one-child policy and its attendant industrial-scale ”gendercide.” My views on this have been well aired in this space over the years.
China is a weak power. When I point that out, people think that’s the good news. It’s not. As I say in the prologue to my new book;
That’s actually worse news than if China was cruising to uncontested global hegemony – because it means that Beijing’s calculations on how the Sino-American relationship evolves are even less likely to align with ours. China has to maximize its power before demographic decay sets in. In other words, it has strong incentives to be bold and to push, hard and fast.
Nevertheless, we owe ‘em a ton of money. Which means you can figure for yourself the likelihood of an American vice president standing up in public and expressing his repugnance at the wholesale slaughter of China’s baby girls. A few lines before the passage above, I quote Jonathan Swift’s “Run Upon The Bankers”: “They have his soul, who have his bonds.” China has our bonds, and thus in a certain sense they have our soul. Or at any rate Joe Biden’s. The big theme of my book’s prologue is that it starts with the money but it never stops there. For three decades, U.S. foreign policy “realists” have assured us that China’s economic liberalization would inevitably lead to political liberalization. As Biden’s wretched remarks suggest, the inverse was always more likely: The reality of China’s economic dominance is Western acquiescence in its repulsive politics.
Later on in my book, I discuss the post-Second World War transfer of global dominance from Britain to America. As these things go, that went relatively smoothly — except for Suez in 1956, when Eisenhower decided to scuttle the Anglo-French-Israeli operation against Egypt. Like China vis a vis America today, Washington had London’s bonds (the World War Two debt) — and Ike ordered the Treasury to sell them:
In London, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Harold Macmillan, reported to the Prime Minister, Anthony Eden, that Britain could not survive such an action by Washington. The sell-off would prompt a run on the pound, and economic collapse, very quickly. Britain, humiliated, withdrew from Suez, and from global power.
It starts with the money. But it won’t end there. It never does.
What might prompt the Sino-American rerun of Suez? Taiwan? North Korea? Something subtler involving China’s resource interests in Africa and beyond?
But you can bet it will be something. One day Washington will be on the receiving end of Beijing’s Suez moment. They have our soul who have our bonds.
"When you've got by their Bonds, their Hearts and Minds will follow."
So much for the Hope and Change of the O-conomy.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhen will somebody admit we have no choice but to stiff them?
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abusewe will, inflation coming
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMark, you describe China as a "weak power," but isn't that oxymoronic. On second thought, maybe "weak power" is like "paper tiger," with the noun describing the reputation while the adjective reveals the truth.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseBeason,
I think what Mark means is like a saying we have down here - "Big hat, no cattle." China's got a big footprint (now), but not enough staying power for the long haul, age wise.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI believe another way to put that is second rank power.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThey have power, but they are not the uncontested master of the areas they want to control.
Just a quick thought: If China owns a huge portion of our debt, isn't our long-term recovery in their best interest? Could they turn off the spigot? Sure (and I often wish they would, just so the leftist fools in DC stop wasting money!). However, what happens to them if their money just goes "poof", and disappears? It seems to me, if a single country is responsible for a huge percentage of another's investment, the one who owes the debt has more power than generally thought. After all, what happens to China if the US decides to 1. live within its means (no longer borrow/waste money), and 2. never repay a dime to China? What would happen to the Chinese economy at that point?
Note, I fully understand the credit of the US would be ruined in this scenario. I am not arguing for making that choice. However, it makes sense to me their economy would be in shambles if the US debt were to go unpaid. So, let's not forget that point when discussing who has power over whom. While I generally agree with Steyn's assessment, I think it foolish to forget how dangerous an oversized borrower can become to a bank.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseRemember how Brazil had the large banks over a barrel in the eighties?
What did their finance minister say? "When you owe a bank $1 million you are in trouble, when you owe a bank $1 billion, the bank is in trouble" or something to that effect. My, how the decimals have grown.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseVery Good Mike N. You have identified the fallacy in Steyn’s (whom I greatly respect) logic. China holds a lot of our debt both in the form of debt instruments and foreign currency reserves. The only way we can “pay them back” is by selling them goods and services. Otherwise they end up holding worthless paper. And China can’t sell our debt like we threatened to do with the Brits because who could buy it?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThere's an old saying.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhen you owe the bank $1000, the bank owns you.
When you owe the bank $1,000,000, you own the bank.
I agree entirely that China's evil policies (resulting in demographic catastrophe) will be its demise. I doubt, however, that the money we owe them will give them that much power. In the early '90s, we were afraid Japan, Inc. was buying the country. Interesting how that worked out, isn't it?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseOn the other hand there's the old saying about if you owe the bank $1000, you're in trouble, but if you owe the bank $1,000,000, the bank's in trouble.
China holds $1 trillion in U.S. bonds. They'd better be careful they don't do something that makes us mad enough to default.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI agree. We can always repudiate the federal government's debt. China is then likely to retaliate by expropriating all U.S. owned property within its borders. We can respond to Chinese expropriation by taking all Chinese property located within the U.S. It seems to me that both sides lose in this scenario, but China probably loses bigger than we do.
Also, it is far past time to assist Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan in developing their own nuclear missiles. This will change China's calculations when it comes to invading Taiwan or allowing North Korea to play rogue nuclear power.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSince we're still borrowing a huge percentage of what we're spending for the foreseeable future, what if China just decides to punish us by dumping our bonds on the market? If the price of our 10year $1,000 bonds goes down from $980 to $700 (a 30% yield) because China is dumping them on the marketplace, we won't be able to sell our newly issued bonds for more than $700, and then the panic accelerates as other bondholders decide that they have to 'get out' before the bottom falls out, and the price plummets even more - are you going to pay $980 for that bond when the seller's selling them everywhere for $700? Yeah, me either. So then how do we pay the 30% interest? If we do pay the huge interest, there won't be money for much else (military, social security, etc), and we'll be circling the drain at a rapid clip. It'll be a complete meltdown, and it won't hurt the Chinese nearly as much as it will hurt us.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseProverbs 22:7 The rich rules over the poor,
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAnd the borrower becomes the lender’s slave.
I suppose that the PRC could exercise financial pressure on the U.S.: Do what we say or we'll sell all our U.S. bonds - but as a substantive matter, don't we continually deal with limits on our power?
In the early and mid-1970s we chose to end our involvement in the Vietnam War and to watch North Vietnam conquer South Vietnam. There are all sorts of reasons why we made these choices, but the bottom line is that we made them because there was a limit to what we were willing and able to do to assist the South Vietnamese in remaining independent.
Regardless of whether we send Taiwan some arms or money on occasion, we abandoned the Taiwanese in the mid-1970s. Remember, we didn't decide to recognize the PRC as the government of mainland China while recognizing the nationalists as the government of Taiwan (which is precisely what the current situation is) - we replaced the PRC with the nationalists as the government of both places - a patently silly and Alice-in-Wonderland decision. And we continually maintain this bizarre posture of saying that the PRC can't exercise sovereignty over an island that, we say, is part of what it has sovereignty over.
Iran has acted against the U.S. since 1979 and has for the last dozen-or-so years tried to develop nuclear weapons that would inhibit our willingness to use force against it. No President - not Carter, not Reagan, either Bush, Clinton or Obama - has dared to try to stop Iran from doing what Iran wanted to do. The sense I get from Obama re Iran is precisely the same sense I got from GW Bush - we have no idea what to do and the Iranians scare us silly.
And of course, Mr. Castro in Cuba has bedeviled us through 11 Administrations and our continual response has been to call him names and to maintain an ineffective boycott of the place.
We always have limits on our power, even if we don't openly recognize those limits. A Suez incident is humiliating not because it happens but rather because the country sticks its neck out too far rather than properly evaluating its chances of success ahead-of-time.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"In the early and mid-1970s we chose to end our involvement in the Vietnam War and to watch North Vietnam conquer South Vietnam."
no the demonrat congress cut off funding to s. vietnam you freakin' revisionist moderate stooge.
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Of what possible significance is is to my point - that "we chose" to end our involvement in the Vietnam War and to watch North Vietnam conquer South Vietnam - that the decision was officially made by a Congress in which both Houses were controlled by Democrats?
The Congresses and Presidents who authorized, supervised and funded - and who then ended, supervised the end of and de-funded - American involvement in the Vietnam War were freely elected by the American people (at least those Americans who were born prior to about 1957).
No one was nominated by either party for the Presidency after 1972 on a platform of re-engaging the U.S. in the war or using American military force to reverse the gains made by the Communists in Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam. And certainly no one won an election on such a platform. The Democrats comfortably retained control of Congress in 1976 even after the implications of the decisions of 1973-75 became clear. Ronald Reagan certainly didn't campaign in 1980 on a platform of "freeing" Southeast Asia.
So yes (putting aside the age issue, since I certainly had no say in the matter): We chose. You may not like what "we chose" - just as I occasionally don't like what "we choose". But "we chose" all the same.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe US decision to force an Anglo-French withdrawal from Suez was not something that had to happen...I can't quite fathom Eisenhower's decision, nor can I really understand why the Brit's didn't just tell us to get stuffed. Our abandonment of South Vietnam wasn't due to a limitation of power but because of a cowards who went along with a ultra-left, ideological desire that North Vietnam win.
The bottom line is not a limitation of power but a refusal to use power...
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIn a republic, the refusal to use power is the same as a limitation. For example, we, at least in theory, had the "power" in 1991 to "go all the way to Baghdad" after expelling Iraq from Kuwait. But we chose not to. So (regardless of whether the decision was wise) the result was the same.
Saying, in effect: "Well, we could have if we'd wanted to" is just a way of maintaining our self-esteem.
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