Kevin, you’ve stirred up quite a spat with the left-wing blogosphere concerning how much we should care about the scientific views of politicians, with specific reference to the cases of global warming and evolution. I’m very sympathetic with your frustrations, but I’d put a similar objection somewhat differently. What I think would be most helpful in this discussion is rigor in defining the boundaries of science.
Physical science has enormous, justified prestige as an intellectual discipline that has created vast improvements in our material standard of living. Progressives routinely attempt to drape the label “science” over assertions that do not have the same reliability as physical science in order to create political advantage. This occurs in two dimensions.
First, scientific findings in some area are used to justify some related political or moral opinion. Key examples are exactly the topics you touch upon: global warming and evolution. In one example, the indisputable scientific finding that CO2 molecules redirect infrared radiation is used to argue that “science says” we must implement a massive global program of emissions mitigation, when in fact, the argument for this depends upon all kinds of beliefs about the growth of the global economy, Chinese politics, technological developments and so on for something like the next couple of hundred years. In the other example, the incredibly powerful scientific paradigm of evolution through natural selection is used to argue that “science says” we have just eliminated the need for God in the creation of the human species, when in fact, as a simple counter-example, the genetic operators of selection, crossover, and mutation require building blocks as starting points, and therefore leave the classic First Cause argument unaddressed.
Neither the Left nor the Right is guiltless here. The Left attempts to stretch science to justify what are really non-scientific viewpoints, but conservatives often react by attacking the underlying science, rather than making the more complicated — but more accurate — point that the actual scientific findings published in peer-reviewed journals (i.e., “the science”) don’t really imply the political assertion.
In the second dimension, fields such as economics that lack the reliability of physical science are often treated by partisans on both sides of the aisle as if they should speak with scientific authority. Macroeconomics is not valueless, but we should not grant its assertions the same rational deference that we grant to those made by physical chemistry.
The role of rational politicians, then, is to have an understanding of the boundaries of actual scientific expertise and accept consensus scientific findings within these fields as practical “givens” in determining policy — but not to be snowed by everybody with a bunch of equations into accepting their personal politics as indisputable by any rational human.
My issue with the "first cause" argument is that it grants religious arguments too much credit.
Superficially, there's obvious appeal for "first cause": something had to come from nothing, so how did that happen?
Setting aside that this is a *cosmological* argument, not a biological one-- evolution is about living things, it says nothing about the rest of the ancient universe-- religious creationism (of any stripe, Christian, Islamic, Hindu, what-have-you) was quite content to make PLENTY of arguments about both cosmology and biology before science appeared to correct them.
Arguing that you can't explain the first cause without recourse to God or Allah arrogantly ignores that *almost all the other arguments* those religions used to explain what happened AFTER "Let there be light" has failed to hold up to scientific scrutiny.
Since the other five days of Genesis are wrong, why in 2011 should we indulge that an ancient Middle Eastern religion was right about the *first* day?
Oh, after batting 0-99, NOW you're right?
Religion has a place in the world, a strong place, by and large a *good* place.
But that is no reason to allow believers to argue for a "God of the Gaps."
Science is science, faith is faith. It's okay to accept this, folks.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHave you ever seen evolution happen in your lifetime? And I'm not talking about small mutations here and there, I'm talking full-blown see a monkey turn into a human type evolution. No? Why is it then that evolution, which is still a "theory", is considered to be scientific based and not faith based when no one has truly observed it?
In other words, why do atheists get so mad when someone wants to believe that a God created everything?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHave you walked on the moon? How do you know it's not made of green cheese, then? Have you personally observed it?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNo, I haven't walked on the moon, but I know that we have sent men there. I don't need to personally experience it; all I need to do is know that it happened. Also, they brought back moon dust which they keep at NASA and use for special experiments such as on Mythbusters where they proved that man was on the moon. And yes, I have personally observed it (videos much?) as well as listened to the accounts of the many men who walked on the planet and the people who helped put the lunar program together.
Can we say the same about evolution?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWe have the fossil record, geology, empirical analysis of genetics, evolutionary biology, etc. These things are just as real as the moon rocks brought back by Apollo.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNone of those things "proves" evolution.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThey are evidence that it may be correct, but they are not proof.
What is your standard of proof? The evidence for some form of biological evolution is at least as strong as the evidence that General Relativity is a good approximation of the nature of gravitation.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIn general, there is no such thing as "absolute proof". I can't even prove I exist, let alone that you exist. However, we need to make some baseline assumptions (as science and any other system of philosophy must do) in order to make any rational observations of reality.
I'm not the one claiming that evolution has been proven.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseEvolution is generally accepted because it best explains the data at hand. When there is a better explantion, assuming such a thing happens, then evolution will be replaced with that new theory. It happened with Newton being replaced by Einstein. That is how science works. The best explanation is useful until another explanation that is superior comes along.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseBingo - it is not settled science yet - merely the best explanation we have at this time. There are holes in it, things it does not explain. As an amateur historian, my "science" suggests those who believe in the "settledness" of a scientific theory will at some point be shown to be fools.
The folly is with both sides who try to say evolution says there is no god - it doesn't. It would behoove us if the atheists and the devout would remember that.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI never argued against the claim that evolution is the best available explanation.
I have been arguing against those who have claimed that evolution is proven.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseBecause seeing something happen "in your lifetime" is not a requirement of the scientific method.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAnd yet everyone knows that gravity is there and is not some esoteric discussion that only a minute portion of the globe's population could understand.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt was esoteric enough when the theory was first devised and applied not just to falling apples, but to planetary orbits.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWell, the gravity was always there because no one just fell out into space. In other words, the law was already established, but Sir Isaac Newton sought to justify the law, not to provide an alternate explanation.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseExcept that Newton's Theory (there is that word again) of Gravity has been replaced by Einstein's Theory of General Relativity. That is what happens with scientific theories, if they explain the phenomena in question they are used until such a point where new information invalidates the theory or a new theory proves to be superior.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe fact that gravity works on all matter equally WAS groundbreaking. It is also counter-intuitive since people often see examples of lighter objects falling slower than heavier ones. A tree limb will fall faster than a leaf, a rock faster than a feather. Of course, now most of use understand wind resistance is the variable that makes it seem as if lighter objects fall slower but for those in Newton's world that was a revelation.
Do most people care that gravity work on all things? Probably not. However, people know that gravity works on all things and that doesn't require communication or confirmation from a handful of people.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAs a fish experiences water, so to does the human race, most of it, experience gravity. It IS a highly complicated issue that a mere handful understand.
And it will continue whether we understand it or not.
Likewise, humans experience evolution as the fish experiences water--regardless of whether or not the fish knows that water freezes at 0C, it will experience the water. Humans can argue evolution, but that doesn't stop it from happening.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"It IS a highly complicated issue that a mere handful understand."
No, I'm pretty sure that all human beings understand gravity and if they don't they can learn it really quick...sometimes with painful results.
I can also say I have honestly not experienced evolution. Someone mentioned adaptation, but that is hardly evolution.
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