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Perry on Financial Aid to Illegal Immigrants

Not to pile on Perry, since I haven’t picked a horse in this race, but one statement he made in Monday night’s debate smacks of demagoguery and has gone undiscussed here (at least, if it was discussed, I didn’t notice). When defending his support for a measure granting financial aid to the children of illegal immigrants, Perry’s response, in part, was: “The bottom line is it doesn’t make any difference what the sound of your last name is. That is the American way.” This sort of defense may play very well with a large swath of voters. But it seemed to brand as racist those who argue that the government should not take steps to encourage illegal immigration. And it sounds a lot like Obama’s implicit criticism of those who think he has a “funny name.” 

I don’t know all the details of the Texas law in question. But if, as some reports suggest, the bill in question provided direct financial aid to illegal immigrants, then it is well within the bounds of serious debate to question whether the state should incentivize the violation of U.S. immigration law by providing financial aid to those who don’t abide by those laws. And that opposition has very little to do with what the sound of the last names of those recipients of financial aid is. 

Perry may well have a principled view toward more open immigration, but challenging the racial motivation of his opposition doesn’t strike me as a welcome part of the debate. 

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   09/14/11 12:44

Meanwhile, if you're breaking the law, it shouldn't matter what the sound of your last name is.

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   09/14/11 12:46

Now this issue concerns me more than the entire Gardisil. I seem to recall it once being said that only a Republican PResident could get scamnasty passed. Giving aid to illegals seems to be the state aiding and abetting criminals to me.

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Dave from Calif.
   09/14/11 12:47

Perry sounds like the far left ethnocentrists from La Raza when he questions the motivations of those who properly, logically and morally oppose in-state tuition for illegal aliens.

Need I remind Perry that according to a new Rasmussen poll, 81% of Americans oppose in-state tuition for illegals. I even heard Perry's supporter Bobby Jindal strongly say yesterday that he disagrees with Perry on this.

This, along with Perry's opposition to E-verify and Arizona's law, is the reason that I will not support him.

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   09/14/11 13:27

If you won't support Perry, that's fine, but for the record, Perry didn't "oppose" the AZ law. Obama opposed it. NM Gov. Richardson opposed it. Gov. Schwarzenegger opposed it. Perry said he didn't think it was right for Texas and stood with Gov. Brewer when the Border Governors' meeting was moved from Phoenix to New Mexico in protest.

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   09/14/11 12:49

I'm glad you brought this up, I thought it was a disgusting smear by Perry to paint people opposed to granting subsidized college tuition to illegal aliens as racism.

So if an American citizen who served in the US Armed Forces moved from Colorado to Texas he would pay more than an illegal alien that crossed over our border illegally.

But Perry is a super awesome conservative, so how dare we question his credentials.

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   09/14/11 18:05

"So if an American citizen who served in the US Armed Forces moved from Colorado to Texas he would pay more than an illegal alien that crossed over our border illegally."

That may not be quite correct. If your hypothetical American citizen actually moved from Colorado to Texas, he would then be a Texas resident and so would qualify for the in-state tuition.
I think members of the armed forces also pay in-state tuition here.
I agree it's not right to have illegals paying in-state tuition, though.

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   09/14/11 12:52

Ten years ago, Georgia made the Hope Scholarship available to all who graduated from a Georgia High Schhol with a 3.0. Eventually that ceased. Now, undocs are not even allowed entrance to the flagship universities.
I pretty much agree with Perry, but don't know how to do it without encouraging undocs.
However, truth be told, we probably want those who would be admitted to our flagships.

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   09/14/11 14:47

'Undocs'? Oh, you mean illegal aliens. Call them what they are instead of making up nonsense names.

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   09/14/11 12:53

I'm a bit surprised that this policy and especially his comments from that debate haven't raised more eyebrows. He pandered about as gratuitously as you can pander. In fact, that's EXACTLY the kind of line that you'd expect from La Raza.

Plyler v. Doe was a horrible judicial decision. Terrible. But, in some regards, policies like this one are even worse because we're talking (largely) about the behavior of adults, not elementary school children.

Over the last decade, we have put hundreds and hundreds of thousands of 18-21-year olds in theaters of combat; Many of them there because they were/are trying to establish the financial wherewithal to eventually attend college. And at the same time, American tax-payers are footing the bill, in some cases entirely, for adults, of the same age, to attend American colleges and universities while they're breaking US law.

It's sickening.

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Lady Sebastian
   09/14/11 13:03

I have always found it helpful to compare a state or polititian's stance on financial aid or in state tuition rates for illegal immigrants vs their stance on the same assistance and rates for military members or military spouses.

There are more than a few states that grant in state rates to illegal immigrants while charging out of state rates to military living in the state on orders, but still officially resident in another state.

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Dafyd
   09/14/11 12:54

1) Gov. Perry didn't grant financial aid. He granted in-state tuition.

2) The bill passed overwhelmingly in the TX state legislature.

3) Perry has no where suggested that this would be his national immigration policy.

4) What is your alternate proposal for dealing with children of illegal aliens? Round them up and send them home? Let them roam the streets?

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   09/14/11 16:01

Are we talking citizen children of illegal immigrants or illegal immigrant children of illegal immigrants?

My assumption is that the instate tuition to illegal aliens is the latter of the two.

In which case, my alternate proposal is for you to give all of them access to you SS# to use to register for college and apply for loans.

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   09/14/11 18:04

A familiar Dallas-ite entering the fray? Good to see you pipe up.

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   09/14/11 12:55

Perry's "principled view" toward more open immigration consists of a desire to garner as much of the Hispanic vote as possible. This is important for political success in Texas. Increasingly, it's important for political success in America.

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   09/14/11 13:21

The Latino vote doesn't just count in Texas, Joseph. The Latino population is powerful all over the U.S.

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   09/14/11 13:29

We're losing money on every sale, but making up for it in volume!

George Amnesty Bush never won the Latino vote.

Rick Perry never won the Latino vote.

Of the 26 Hispanics in the Texas Assembly with Latino names, 21 are Democrats and only 5 are Republicans.

The only way for the USA to remain a conservative nation or for Texas to remain a conservative state is to end illegal immigration and reduce the legal kind.

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   09/14/11 13:41

I think this is right. I understand the reflexive hesitancy of some political pundits/handlers/operators to take on illegal immigration in any substantive way. The demographics, after all, speak for themselves.

But, just because the conversation is uncomfortable and may have some deleterious effects in the near-term, doing nothing about it - or God forbid, actually embracing a plan that includes ANY form of amnesty - is suicidal. Amnesty would create a permanent governing majority for the Dems on a national basis, ceding control of both houses of Congress as well as the White House, and our four most populated states - CA, TX, NY & FL - would be lost to the Dems for the foreseeable future. It would be disastrous.

You need only ask yourself the question, is there any South American or Central American country that you would really like to live in - not visit - but live there?

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   09/14/11 14:09

Ah, but once they come into the United States and step foot on the magic soil, drink the magic water, breathe the magic air, and recite Emma Lazarus a few dozen times they will magically be transformed from Latin Americans to just plain Americans, which is why there are absolutely no differences between one ethnic group and another in educational attainment, economic outcomes, or voting patterns.

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   09/14/11 15:04

We're definitely on the same sheet of music here.

Immigrant groups have, for the last three or four generations, generally voted Democrat. And, they continue to vote Democrat for some time. Just look at the impact that the Irish Catholic immigrants in the early 1920 had on their political system. In places like MA, RI and parts of NY, that impact continues today, almost 100-years later.

With Latin American immigrants, I believe that dynamic will be exacerbated or amplified from where it has always traditionally been. The reason: Television, both entertainment and news.

In one of our last debate, we had a "guest moderator" who had to ask a question about immigration. And where did that guest come from? He came from a NATIONAL Spanish Speaking US network.

We are creating a Balkinization of the US, and it's going to create TREMENDOUS problems in the coming decades. Mass immigration presents the host country with significant problems when there is robust assimilation. Think about the problems that will emerge when there isn't robust assimilation.

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   09/14/11 14:45

Yes, but no one is listening.

I wonder about the IQ of Republican office-seekers if they think that getting 40% of the vote means they win. Ah, no, because the other guy is going to get 60%.

If Mexican voted overwhelmingly Republican, you'd see Democrats turn on a dime and rail against illegal immigrants.

I'm consistent on the issue. Our country and its environment is being destroyed by illegal (and massive legal) immigration. I don't care if they come from Mexico or Lithuania. I don't want them here.

There are too many people in the country as it is now. The population of the US has more than doubled in 60 years.

We have the third largest population of any country on the planet, after China and India. What role models!

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