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Wisconsin Progressives Consider Escalating from Beer

Once a year, Wisconsin progressives emerge from their smoke-filled Volkswagen vans and attend “Fighting Bob Fest,” a gathering where Trotskyites, Marxists, and Socialists all come together to coexist peacefully. The event, named for Wisconsin native son “Fighting Bob” LaFollette, allows leftists normally chained to their computers the rare chance to say absurdly intemperate things to another nodding gray-ponytailed man.

Last week, 26-year-old Miles Kristan became a hero to the Wisconsin Left by pouring a beer on the head of Republican lawmaker Robin Vos. (On Friday, Kristan would turn himself in to the police, making sure plenty of local media were there to document the event for the history books — as if he were MLK being dragged through a Birmingham jail.)

Naturally, l’affaire Miller Lite would become a hot topic at Fighting Bob Fest. Speaker Greg Palast, whose writing expertise seems to focus primarily on how smart Greg Palast is, suggested a heightened standard of shower for Republicans — that of the golden variety:

“This is Wisconsin, this is the place where you had some guy pour a beer on the head of a Republican state senator?” said Fest speaker Greg Palast as the crowd erupted with cheers. “No, no, no, that’s all wrong. You can’t do that. That’s just wrong. I’m from New York. If you’re going to pour beer on a Republican, you have to drink it first.” (Via MacIver.)

Let that be a warning to New York Republicans — even on sunny days, wear an overcoat.

The event was also attended by national lefty luminaries like independent Vermont senator Bernie Sanders, who decried Wisconsin’s recent move to scale back public-union collective-bargaining power. In an interview with a local video blogger, Sanders said there was “no legitimacy” to Governor Scott Walker’s new law, saying that if unions don’t “negotiate decent wages, the employers can pay lower wages to everybody.” Yet the new Wisconsin law does maintain collective bargaining on wages, just not benefits.

— Christian Schneider is a senior fellow at the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute.

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notexactlyhuman
   09/19/11 12:26

Benefits, such as health insurance and pension, are part of an employees compensation, ie wages. Not terribly bright, are you, Christian?

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   09/19/11 15:03

"“negotiate decent wages, the employers can pay lower wages to everybody.” "

Wages are part of compensation, compensation is not part of wages.

'notexactlyhuman' rare a poster chooses a name that fits himself so well.

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   09/19/11 12:28

Are there no teachers, police officers or fire fighters in Wisconsin who disapprove of this behavior and are courageous enough to say so? While Mr. Schneider lends a humorous spin to this disgusting display, we know that's not how the left would react if the target was a liberal politician and the beer-pourer was a conservative. The fact that an elected representative of the American people - paid by all taxpayers, not just union members - believes it's appropriate to lend his support and influence to this kind of event is indicative of the ideological dysfunction that exists in Washington and, in particular, in Congress.

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notexactlyhuman
   09/19/11 12:38

Too funny: "In an interview with a local video blogger, Sanders said there was “no legitimacy” to Governor Scott Walker’s new law, saying that if unions don’t “negotiate decent wages, the employers can pay lower wages to everybody.” Yet the new Wisconsin law does maintain collective bargaining on wages, just not benefits"

Strip away my benefits package and I effectively make $10 or more less per hour. Do you count on all of your readers being stupid, Christian?

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   09/19/11 14:27

Uhhhhh...not maintaining collective bargaining for benefits is NOT the same as "stripping away benefits."

Do you count on all Corner readers being stupid?

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notexactlyhuman
   09/19/11 15:39

Anyone who does not calculate the cash equivalent of their benefits and add it to their hourly rate or salary to determine their real wage is at best an ignorant fool, if not stupid.

Benefits are a part of one's compensation for performing a function for one's employer.

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   09/19/11 16:01

No, that's not correct at all. The only reason to calculate a "cash equivalent" of their benefits is if you're comparing one job receiving benefits to another job with no benefits (i.e. should I take this full time job vs. this consulting job).

But often, you can't count benefits as part of your hourly wage because benefits don't cost the same accross the board. Health benefits are extremely expensive at a small business filled with older employees (or women of child bearing age), but not as expensive as a larger company that self-insures. Besides (again), unless you're comparing one job with benefits vs another job without them, how much the benefits *cost* doesn't mean anything. How much it costs you out of pocket does.

You also can't quantify what a pension does to your hourly pay relative to what a matching 401k will do to your hourly rate. It will all be dependent on how long you live, what your rate of return is, etc.

One should take into account the benefits at a company: What's my health premium? What's my deductable? What's my max out-of-pocket? What are the odds I meet my deductable and/or max out-of-pocket?, etc. etc. But wages and benefits are, in fact, two seperate things.

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notexactlyhuman
   09/19/11 16:54

You contradict yourself attempting to semantically divide compensation to make an absurd ideological stand, but at least you've got a clue.

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   09/19/11 16:38

Doesn't have a thing to do with what he said. Why don't you re-read the actual words of his post and figure out how you got it wrong?

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   09/19/11 14:53

"Strip away my benefits package and I effectively make $10 or more less per hour. Do you count on all of your readers being stupid, Christian?"

Do *you*?

Knowing nothing about your job, your experience level, and your performance at it, there's no way to determine if $10/hr is too little -- or indeed too much -- for you to be paid.

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   09/19/11 12:50

In the south, say Alabama or Texas, these guys would be pounded to sand. I guess that's why they hang out in Madison.

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1776
   09/19/11 12:52

Pouring beer on that representative dude was very brave, clever, and noble. The pourer is a national hero!

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   09/19/11 13:00

@notexactlyhuman
Okay, first of all, compensation is a large set, comprised of two smaller ones, namely wages and benefits. They are obviously and manifestly NOT the same thing.
In the instant case, the difference is highly relevant because wages are paid in real time, and a large percentage of benefits (i.e., pensions) are not. Also, recall that about 80 percent of unionized workers these days are PUBLIC SECTOR. This is a problem because it allows unions to negotiate (with Democrat-controlled governmental entities) enormous sums while keeping the cost of same hidden for decades. So the negotiation takes place between Democrat pols who are beholden to unions for large contributions and volunteers at election time, and union bosses who supply those things. Notably absent from the table are, um, TAXPAYERS, i.e., the ones who will pay for those pensions (or, at least their progeny will).
One last thing. You wrote: "Strip away my benefits package and I effectively make $10 or more less per hour." Leaving aside the mangle syntax, you have demonstrated here that you do, in fact, understand that wages and benefits are not synonymous, revealing your other post as rank sohphistry. But you also reveal that you and your ilk grasp the bait-and-switch aspect of the whole arrangement that led to gold-plated pension and benefits packages in the first place. What part of the 14 trillion dollar hole we're in do you not understand? And that number does not even contemplate the unfunded liabilities of states that have been run to ruin by Democrats and their union cronies -- like CA, NY, IL, and until recently, WI and NJ.
Not terribly bright, indeed.

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notexactlyhuman
   09/19/11 15:06

I see your readership is that stupid, cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Carry on, Christian. This tiny space is your retarded oyster.

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   09/19/11 17:22

Ah. Yet another angry troll reduced to spewing insults. Very good choice of screen name, then.

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   09/19/11 21:50

I thought the one said we weren't supposed to use the R word anymore.

So we're not supposed to be civil anymore?

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   09/19/11 13:19

Pouring beer on someone who is minding their own business hardly puts this half-wit in the same league with genuine civil rights activists. In the 1960's, when such leaders were needed, brave men and women rose to the occasion, and most of them acted honorably (Bill Ayers and his brand of idiocy stand in stark contrast).

Somehow this guy has it in his head that he's marching on Selma when he dumps a beer on a legislator. Is this assault supposed to be akin to Rosa Parks refusing to step to the back of the bus?

What a joke that he is a hero to himself.

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   09/19/11 13:29

When I was much, much younger, I had a bud that was getting married and a big group of us took him out for a relatively tame "bachelor party" experience. First stop was a decidedly blue-collar bar (we liked to shoot pool).

The bachelor was a bit of a rube in a Woody from Cheers sort of way. Don't ask me how it came up in conversation (thankfully, I do not remember), but that thing of a "golden variety" was mentioned...out of context. "Rube" asked, "What's that?"

:FREEZE FRAME:

But for the kind heart of one of the party members...who was apparently shocked that the gambit was working... I was *THIS CLOSE* to successfully arranging for "Rube" to get the next round at the bar, where he would, with a straight and genuinely innocent face, ask for, "4 Yuenglings, 3 Morgan & Cokes, and a Golden S****r".

Good times.

As for the actual topic at hand, Greg Palast is vile and should be punched.

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   09/19/11 13:43

I see the socialists are still trying to claim that the only reason we aren't all paid pennies per hour, is because of unions.

I've never had much respect for socialists, but even that low bar has been lowered in the last two years.

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   Jason
   09/19/11 13:53

"smoke-filled Volkswagen vans" is so unbelievably lame. Even the funny uncles of the world aren't doing this schtick anymore.

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