Mark (Krikorian), I’d missed that Christian Schneider post on in-state tuition rates for illegal aliens, which is probably just as well given the vein-popping it caused. But, if that’s the – or even a – “conservative” position, the republic might as well hold its going-out-of-business sale this weekend. To reprise the Schneider justification:
By the time an undocumented [sic!] child makes it from first grade to graduating high school, taxpayers have already sunk over $100,000 into that child’s education. To pull the plug on those children because of the actions of their parents would be unfair, and would nullify the investment taxpayers have already made in the kid. …
So while they’re here, our state would be better off giving these kids the chance to make our country better, rather than sentencing them to a second-class existence.
Good grief. First, the fact that 12 years of American education costs over a hundred grand ought to be an outrage, not an initial down-payment: We spend more per pupil than any advanced nation other than Luxembourg, and at least the Luxembourgers have something to show for it.
Second, the idea that government spending is an “investment” as opposed to prudent budgeting for necessary responsibilities is a classic all-purpose leftist euphemism for statism without end that no conservative should have any truck with: Why, to end our “investment” in “these kids” after a mere 12 years is to “sentence” people to a “second-class existence”! (And incidentally, how many taxpayers willingly chose this particular investment for their portfolio?)
Third, if massive expansion of college education helps “make our country better”, why are we the Brokest Nation in History? In 1940, a majority of the US population had no more than a Grade Eight education. By 2008, 40 per cent of 18-24 year-olds were enrolled in college. Eighth Grade America built a great nation, won a global war and emerged as the planet’s economic superpower – until Eighteenth Grade America drove it off a cliff. Yet a supposed “conservative” says, oh, no, diverting 40 per cent of young adults into a desultory half-decade Bachelor’s in Complacency Studies isn’t enough: We so fetishize pseudo-credentialization we must extend it even to illegal aliens.
Why stop there? We’ve spent over 20 grand per capita in Afghanistan. Why “nullify” that “investment”? Why don’t we send every Afghan to Harvard? Maybe they can all become diversity officers and community organizers, and Recovery Summer will really be going gangbusters.
That’s the “conservative” position? If Christian Schneider isn’t a satirical Rob Long invention, we’re doomed.
I so agree with Mark: this country has gone down the toilet since they started educating the masses. It just makes them unsatisfied with their anointed stations in life.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseVery witty. It would be even wittier if it had more than the vaguest connection to what Mark wrote.
Shift from education to housing. Over the last several decades, for various reasons, the federal government has encouraged people to put more and more social value upon home ownership, and provided the incentives to buy the most house you possibly can.
Shockingly, a whole bunch of people ended up buying a whole bunch of houses when they couldn't handle it (whether income or character or what-have-you). People started losing their precious houses, and again, Washington steps in, trying to fix it, instead of letting the housing market simply run its course.
Higher education should be an option for as many high school graduates as want it. That is not, and has not been, the problem. The problem is how much 'public' money is spent on higher education, compared to the results.
If you were spending hundreds of thousands of dollars of your own money, to send your neighbor's pot-smoking twenty-something through five years of 'Minority Ethics', might you want to see proof that Minority Ethics is worth the money?
To paraphrase Peter Schiff, "We don't need more spending on education, we need better education."
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"Higher education should be an option for as many high school graduates as want it."
No, no, no. Lots of people "want" it. It should be an option for as many who are capable of it. Provided they pay for it themselves. They can't afford it? That wasn't a problem in the old days, and shouldn't be now.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIn the "old days," with just a high-school education, you could get a decent job that paid enough to support your family.
Those days are gone. Those types of jobs have largely been superseded by automation and outsourcing. Robots do the work that blue-collar workers used to. Other menial jobs have been outsourced to foreign countries where the cost of living is low enough that workers are quite satisfied to work for much less pay than U.S. workers.
Just look at the unemployment rates in the current U.S. economic slump. They're lower than average for college graduates and higher than average for those without a college degree.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseBeing educated used to be more closedly aligned with being credentialed, but what thousands of graduates with credentials...BA, BS, Ph.D in various useless disciplines are now finding something out.
Their anointed station in life, often purchased with 6 figure debt promised them by the various high dollar colleges and universities on receiving their diploma...isn't, anymore.
In other words, credentialed (aka "educated") masses who are unsatisfied.
The higher education bubble many are waking up to recognizes that by not providing a value-added education...one that instills a skill set others find valuable enough to pay for, or which allows one to sell their telents...results in the masses holding pieces of paper representing an expensive bill of goods sold them by a higher education bureacracy interested in feathering their own nests at other's expense.
Pretty much defines liberalism.
You apparently have not grasped that Mark didn't make the point you attributed to him. He did not advocate denial of education to the masses. Indeed, Mark advocates a good public education be available to all. Up to a point. Not everyone needs or should go to college.
Which leads to the question. Are you educated, merely credentialed, or just taking a cheap shot?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhat Rook just did pretty much defines liberalism: completely ignore what the conservative said, substitute a hallucination, and then attack the hallucination.
And I continue to be amazed at how much insight Steyn can pack into such a short piece.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI'm amazed at how much useless, self-indulgent bile he can pack into a short piece.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMark derides a college degree as amounting to nothing more than getting a degree in Complacency Studies. He says everything was wonderful in 1940, when many fewer people had college educations and rather had eighth grade educations. His contempt for higher education is sweeping. If this hymn against education is conservatism I happily part company with it.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhat an inane, missing-the-point comment, Rook.
Conservatism will, even more happily, part company with you.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIf the only thing you can bring is strawmen arguments and evasions of the point, then we're even happier to part company with you.
Signed, a Ph.D who most heartily endorsed the comment a couple above yours.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIf you want to argue with Mark, at least argue with something he's actually said rather than a gratuitous caricature of what you want him to have said.
Can you really not see the difference between going to college to study fields like engineering, physics or math and, say "Women's Studies" or sociology or any number of other degrees that leave the graduate with no worthwhile skills that they didn't already possess?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseTruth be told, that eighth-grade education from the fortys is superior to todays' college education. All we truly get for the bloated education budgets is more bureaucracy.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI think you mean 'forties', meaning the decade, not 'fortys', meaning the oversized beer cans. Eighth graders don't dri...
Nevermind. I think I like that spelling better.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThis. ^^^^
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMr. Steyn, thank you.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI'm disappointed in Mark's post. Not so much his takedown of Christian Schneider's remarks, but of his dismissal of him as a conservative. Mr. Schneider has done a superb job in giving us the play-by-play of all the events in Wisconsin this year, and has shown a clear preference towards the Scott Walker side of things. To blow him off as not conservative because of one argument in favor of in-state tuition for illegal aliens is beneath Mark. Conservatives should be able to hold, and argue for, the occasional non-conservative position if that's what they believe. To dismiss their conservativism like Mark does at the end of his post will do much more harm to the movement than it will help.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI not only agree with you. You and Mark should read Thomas Sowell today. I guess according to Mark he's no conservative either.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseTom Sowell thought Boehner's Debt Ceiling Bill was "Good Enough" too. Sowell has been taking the easy going route these days. Meanwhile, Obama is getting his army ready for battle.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWell, until you get to this part of Sowell's article:
"I still see Governor Perry's decision as an error, but the kind of error that a decent and humane individual would be tempted to make."
The fact that Sowell recognizes the error in Perry's decision---which anyone familiar with Sowell's long career as an eminent thinkker would expect---rather demolishes your argument.
The lesson is not to enlist as an ally someone you can not count on to avoid supporting your enemy.
Sowell's place within the conservative spectrum vis-a-vis Mark is hereby secured---yours, not so much, Fay.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseTeflon93,
Was going to make your argument exactly, but you beat me to the punch! Ah well.
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