Mitt Romney won the debate, again. But the former Massachusetts governor’s response on financial bailouts — past and future — was a muddle.
Bloomberg’s Julianna Goldman asked the question:
Governor Romney, it’s 2013, and the European debt crisis has worsened. Countries are defaulting. Europe’s largest banks are on the verge of bankruptcy. Contagion has spread to the U.S. And the global financial system is on the brink. What would you do differently than what President Bush, Henry Paulson, and Ben Bernanke did in 2008?
Romney had a terrific opportunity here. He could have said:
As president, I’ll make sure that what happened in 2008 never has to happen again.
TARP and other bailouts are not in the past. The bailouts have done incalculable damage to the nation.
This harm can’t be counted up in TARP dollars. Rather, it’s the harm that’s been done to our priceless free markets when some companies don’t have to play by free-market rules. Just as General Motors and Chrysler shouldn’t have been bailed out, neither should have AIG and Bank of America.
It’s government’s job to make sure that long before a financial crisis happens, the rules are in place to allow any company, no matter how big or how small, no matter whether it’s in the financial industry or the tech industry, can succeed or fail. We didn’t do that in the years before 2008. By the time of the bailouts, it was too late.
As president, I’ll make sure that the rules are in place to limit borrowing in the financial industry, and to limit the obligations that financial firms can take on through complex derivatives, so that the U.S. taxpayer never again has to save a particular company — or its bondholders or other creditors — in order to try to save the financial markets.
When I’m president, I’ll work to make sure that the next time that a large bank or insurance company in America fails — and it will happen — you can be sure that the company’s bondholders and other investors will take the hit, so that taxpayers don’t have to.
Instead, Romney tried to wiggle out of the question until he accepted that, as Julianna Goldman put it, another financial meltdown is a “very real threat” that voters really do think about.
Then he said something strange about Greece: “Are they going to default on their debt, or are they not? That’s a decision which I would like to have input on if I were president of the United States.” The only way to have “input” on such a decision, though, would be to pony up bailout money for Europe.
Then Romney said that “No one likes the idea of a Wall Street bailout. I certainly don’t.” That was hardly a resounding commitment. No one likes a root canal, but sometimes one is necessary.
Romney used this root-canal language again when debate moderator Charlie Rose asked point-blank if “there is no institution, no financial institution, that is too big to fail.”
“Well, no. You don’t want to bail out anybody,” the governor said. He then added that it’s a “terrible idea” to “protect the shareholders.” But shareholders weren’t the force behind the 2008 bailouts. Bondholders and derivatives counter-parties were.
Romney said further — in the passive voice — that “action had to be taken” in 2008, but that “Were there some institutions that should not have been bailed out? Absolutely.” The institutions he mentioned by name, though, were auto companies, not, financial firms.
All in all, the audience got:
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a confused defense of the Bush administration’s 2008 actions;
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a failure to acknowledge that though those actions may have been necessary, the country’s failure to create a consistent system through which large banks can fail continues to poison the economy to this day;
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a failure to explain how to make sure that it doesn’t happen again; and
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a stab at standing up for free markets when it comes to specific car companies but not when it comes to specific financial companies.
Romney is doing well, and getting better every day. A half-hour later, he gave a good answer on China. He said that America’s failure to ensure that China plays by the rules means that we “will get run over by China, and that’s what’s happened for 20 years.”
The governor should sharpen his answer about the nation’s failure to ensure that financial firms, too, play by the rules. His response on Wall Street should be as clear and strong as his position on China. It will come up again.
— Nicole Gelinas is a contributing editor to the Manhattan Institute’s City Journal and author of After the Fall, now in paperback and e-book.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI'm sorry, why is your answer better? Her question was about what Romney would do if we were on the verge of another system collapse, i.e., not "long before a financial crisis happens". Neither your answer nor his actually addresses what to do if say, Bank of America and Citigroup go belly up in the same week...
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMake an extra big manila folder for the "S*** Happens" file drawer.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThings like speeding tickets, a tree falling on your house, your hard drive crashing, etc. go into the S*** Happens file. Another Great Depression does not.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"Too big to fail" does not impress me.
Those are private businesses. Let them steer their own ships and take the taxpayer out of the equation.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseBig banks failing does not create a Depression.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMark: so what happens to the economy if big banks fail? Improved prosperity and productivity?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseDo you even know how to ask an honest question?
If the death of big banks can't kill the economy, then quite obviously, having them grow a little bit won't have much impact on the economy either.
Try thinking for once.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMark,
You made an unqualified statement that big bank failures don't cause a Depression. You didn't say what happens when they fail.
I asked what happens when big banks fail. You then pivoted to "If the death of big banks can't kill the economy" without explaining why there'd be no significant negative impact. I'd like to understand why you apparently believe that big bank failures wouldn't have a major negative impact on the economy.
How is that not an honest question?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI wouldn't hold your breath waiting for an answer, Kevin. What possible answer that makes any sense could MarkW give? Believing that the implosion of Goldman, Morgan Stanley, AIG, and the domino effect it would have caused would have been anything other than disatrous to our economy is akin to beliving in 9/11 conspiracies.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseClareita:
Thanks and I agree. This is Mark's MO and it's fun to call him on statements like this. The sad thing is that there are many others who "think" as he does.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseOnce again Mark can't defend a ludicrous position. Can't wait for the next one.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseOnce again Mark can't defend a ludicrous position. Can't wait for the next one.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"Neither your answer nor his actually addresses what to do if say, Bank of America and Citigroup go belly up in the same week..."
Let the bondholders (and derivatives counterparties and others) take the losses -- not the taxpayers. He did not say that, and he should have.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSorry, not even close.
The creditors of the major banks are bank *depositors*.
If a major bank like Citi or B of A goes down, it is not Wall Street investors who are on the hook of it. It is everyone with a bank account at those institutions.
And standing behind those depositors, guaranteeing them, is the FDIC. Which doesn't remotely have enough to cover one percent of them. Little banks failing in podunk, no problem, what it is designed for. Megabanks going down at the same time, not so much.
Which shoves the loss up the chain to the guarantor of the FDIC. Which is, you guessed it, the US treasury.
You can pick which hat you are wearing when the loss is taken, and you can influence the size of the loss. You cannot push it onto non existent imaginary others or make it go away.
You can wear the depositor hat and lose you bank account. Or the taxpayer hat and let the treasury pay out for deposit insurance.
In all of those cases, the loss will multiple by a factor of three or so, compared to the bank remaining open and its assets actually being realized over time.
It was a good bet to lend to the banks at 5% instead of letting them fail. It prevented such losses from bankrupting the FDIC or hitting depositors - and in the end, didn't cost the US treasury a dime.
Why are people still opposed to it? What part of preventing the collapse earlier to avoid needless destruction of value, and to save the US treasury itself hundreds of billions, don't you get?
Cain and Romney both have real world experience in finance and are right on this whole issue. And all of the other candidates, politicians, and pundits who have no such experience, only ideology, to go on, are completely wrong about it.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe key to avoiding another crisis is to keep any bank from becoming too big to fail... and the way to do this is not a government mandate or regulation but rather simply by removing any and all forms of government bailout.
Without the hope of a bailout, depositors would have to spread their money around to avoid losing it in the event of a bank failure and trading partners would likewise have to limit their exposure to a single institution to avoid the risk of not being paid if that bank were to have problems. And bank shareholders and bondholders would insist on limits to how extended that institution could be to a particular trading area.
I know it would be politically difficult to eliminate deposit insurance, but at the very least the coverage could be limited to $25,000 or so... which would cover the vast majority of small savers. People with more money would have to spend the time finding appropriate places for their money.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThere is no need to eliminate deposit insurance, just don't do it through the govt.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIf a bank wants to buy deposit insurance, it should.
If a customer wants to put their money in a bank that does not have deposit insurance, that to is their business.
"And bank shareholders and bondholders would insist on limits to how extended that institution could be to a particular trading area."
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHow so? One aspect of the 2008 debacle was that all the big financial firms insisted that their risk allocation math had advanced to the point that they didn't need to stick to old-fashioned reserve requirements, and in the process started racking up huge profits. No one can argue with huge profits while they're occurring, and no group of bondholders or shareholders is going to be willing or able to counter the technical arguments made by financial innovators.
I am sorry to have to say it, Romney is a Rino. I have spent the last month with a mild stomach upset, it comes from a dozen brutal Rino encounters over the last several years.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseRinos don't change, they just hide their stripes.
Nicole, do you favor abolishing the FDIC? Seems like as long as the FDIC is around (cough) 'insuring' all depositors, the taxpayer is on the hook anyway.
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