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Not So Ugly Debate Moment

I don’t often disagree with James Taranto, particularly on legal issues, but I think he’s overreacting when he says it was “outrageous” and “ugly” for Newt Gingrich to suggest starting with Barney Frank and Chris Dodd in any discussion about who ought to be in jail over the financial meltdown.

Gingrich made this observation after the WaPost’s Karen Tumulty asked why no Wall Street execs “have gone to jail for the damage they did to the economy.” James is correct to point out that it is Ms. Tumulty who started the discussion down that road. She did this, of course, because she was dutifully pushing the Democratic narrative that the private financial sector, not irrational government policy, triggered our economic woes.

I don’t think even Tumulty was really intimating that people — even villainous businessmen — should be sent to jail without due process of law. That’s the main thrust of Taranto’s complaint, but I imagine most people took her question about why no one had been sent to the slammer to assume the usual criminal process. That’s how I understood it. By her lights, a massively damaging fraud occurred, executives profited from it, that ought to be a crime, and someone ought to have been indicted, tried, convicted and sentenced to prison for it by now. In reality, I don’t think she gave much thought at all to the criminal process — she’s a left-winger trying to shift blame for a catastrophe toward business and away from government. The image of capitalists exchanging their pinstripes for prison jumpers was just meant to be a powerful rhetorical device, not an assertion that we should bypass the usual rules.

That’s obviously the spirit in which Speaker Gingrich took the question. He was not saying that Rep. Frank, Sen. Dodd, or anyone else should be sent to jail without due process. He was positing a competing narrative (actually, building on a competing narrative that Michele Bachmann had posited). He was saying that, if Tumulty wanted to play this game of who ought to be in jail, she should start with the politicians, not the businessmen.

Further, even taking all this at face value, I don’t think it is outrageous to make an argument that a politician should be in jail despite not having “been charged with, much less convicted of, any crime,” as James puts it. Politicians who are key allies of the executive branch are not like ordinary Americans.

Even if someone is as guilty as the day is long, he cannot be charged with a crime unless the executive branch is of a mind to charge him. Ordinary Americans who do not have connections in the executive should expect to be charged if there is sufficient evidence of some crime; therefore, it makes perfect sense to argue that they should not be maligned in the absence of criminal charges. To the contrary, it is entirely possible that connected pols elude charges not because they are innocent but because their connections induce the executive to abdicate its duty to prosecute.

Since no one, in any event, is going to be jailed without due process, and since people of Dodd and Frank’s stature are easily able to defend themselves in the media if Gingrich’s assertions are groundless, I don’t see what the big deal is. 

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   10/13/11 11:25

glad you took a stab at trying to explain Newt. Of course it doesn't pass the smell test but one can still appreciate the effort that you always put into things. Hey, if you could defend torture you could defend anything.

Next.

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   10/13/11 11:37

Meanwhile, with your head in the toilet, you stay mum on summary execution of an American citizen overseas.

Wanna be kettle, or pot? In honor of the OWS Klan, I propose you're the latter.

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   10/13/11 11:50

What doesn't "pass the smell test"? What is your reasoning? You did not offer an alternative position, only a sneering comment. Why not posit your reasoning? By your comment you imply that you're very smart. Why not show it?
Or are you just someone who makes a derogatory comment in the assurance that no one will dare call you on your logic? A smarmy liberal reporter asked a question designed to further the liberal "narrative" that capitalist/republicans are criminal and had the "narrative" turned around on her. Her question is what "smelled".

"Next"?!? How very snide and condescending. You're obviously very clever, aren't you? Thanks for stopping by to share your genius. When did you get back from the protest?

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   10/13/11 13:35

So my comment "doesn't pass the smell test" is some horrible "derogatory" comment but Newt could say that two members of the opposition political party should be in jail despite the fact that there is no indictment, no charges, no investigation of wrongdoing, etc. He just thinks they should be in jail. But is it me that has to apologize for my derogatory comment. lol You guys are just too much. Always the victim. Snide and condescending? And this from someone defending Newt? Again, that is rich.

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nornus
   10/13/11 14:08

Yes Slide, Newt literally suggested that jailing Frank and Dodd without due process was a good idea. We know that's exactly what he meant, because such thoughts are commonplace for Rethuglican monsters like Newt.

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   10/13/11 15:06

So slide recommends that the wall street bankers be put in jail w/o trial and due process. Good to know.

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Jim Kutsko
   10/13/11 12:01

Nah, slide. Libs like to make outrageous charges like "why haven't anyone on wall street gone to jail," but get upset when the table is turned on them.

The first question comes from the premise that the financial problems came from greedy CEO's on Wall Street. It ignores the fact that somethings may be sinful (greed) but they aren't illegal. If fact, it is the left who are working diligently to insure things that are consider sinful and have been illegal in the past (ie. drugs, prostitution, gay sex, etc.) are decriminalized.

In fact, while CEO may have been greedy and bundled risky loans and sold them, this activity was encouraged and created by Fannie, Freddie and the CRA.

It follows that if the left wants to jail greedy CEO's that stupid politicians should also be held accountable.

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   10/13/11 12:58

You left out abortion, which, of course, has been elevated to an absolute, unlimited, constitutional right.

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   10/13/11 13:18

Jim here is so upset that "gay sex" is no longer a criminal act. This from someone that probably screams about how the government is taking away our "freedoms" but yet wants the government to criminalize private consensual behavior. Yikes. How do you argue with someone like this? You don't even try because they are beyond reason.

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Mike N
   10/13/11 18:31

"...wants the government to criminalize private consensual behavior." Like financial transactions? Or, how about visiting my doctor? Or, how about my desire to take a job only paying $5/hour? Or, how about deciding NOT to buy healthcare? Are these what you mean by "criminaliz(ing) private consensual behavior"? Just checking.

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   10/13/11 13:25

I was never aware that the ultimate test to trueness was based on the sensitivity of your nose.

Regardless, since he didn't defend torture, the rest of your blather is equally worthless.

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   10/13/11 11:33

Gingrich basically said, "If we are looking to hold people legally accountable for what went wrong in the sub-prime mortgage sector, we should start with Fannie and Freddie's two biggest apologists and who served as their legal shields in Congress."

That was the spirit of the comment, in response to a comment of similar spirit aimed at the financiers who bundled bad debt with good, at the federal government's lead.

"Gotcha" was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. That it gets re-aired almost every day in politics is really quite a shame, considering the otherwise erstwhile intellects of those who keep the projector running.

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   10/13/11 12:10

just what is it that you hold in the way of grudges against the likes of Anthony Edwards?

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   10/13/11 12:56

Nothing. I like him as an actor. He didn't write the script, or the screenplay, or direct or produce it.

It's one movie. That does not disqualify him as an enjoyable entertainer.

ER would have been insufferable without him. As it was, it was a great show. I give him, among the actors, 90% of the credit.

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   10/13/11 12:18

I don't know. I really enjoyed the movie version. I recently re-watched it on Netflix and it held up better than I expected.

Now, if only the cable political version was required to have a hot spy named Sasha for the gotcha to air we'd be making some progress.

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   10/13/11 11:34

Frank, Dodd, and Durbin have done far more damage to the U.S. economy than any CEO could.

When will Pennsylvania Avenue be "occupied"?

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   10/13/11 11:42

I guess it's the lawyer in me, but when people say that these Wall Street people ought to go to prison, I always ask, for what crime? If there's a crime committed, as a prosecutor, I'm all in favor of holding people accountable. But Newt's response was perfectly reasonable. There's a lot more meat to charges of graft with the Countrywide sweetheart deal to Dodd, the shenanigans at Fannie and Freddie, and links between the corporate people involved and Frank than there are for any other allegation.

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   10/13/11 11:47

You're assuming too much goodwill from moderators inspired by the OWS protesters, whose chief demand is the jailing of CEOs, due process be damned.

The correct answer from a candidate at that debate should have been, "In America, we don't jail people just because we hate them. My administration will fix the regulations and stop the destructive government interventions and bailouts, but I will not support the groundless scapegoating of the rich."

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   10/13/11 11:49

Taranto lost it on this one. Thank you, Mr. McCarthy, for setting it straight.

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ChrisZ
   10/13/11 11:55

Whether or not anyone should be in jail over the 2008 crisis, certainly everyone involved should be on the street--that is, fired from whatever positions of responsibility they had when the meltdown occurred. That includes politicians as well as execs in the bailed-out firms. They all proved their incompetence and should not have been rewarded for it.

It seems to me that conservatives should not be afraid to make this point; "You screw up, you're fired" ought to be an elemental conservative sentiment. Our general reluctance to make the point in this case only reinforces the false "narrative" of Tumulty et al.

Obama, by the way, had on opportunity early on to take a stand along these lines; he could have cleaned house in his own party, politely informed time-servers like Frank and Dodd that their time had come, it was a new era, yadda yadda. He didn't, and in fact gave MORE power to the politicians most responsible for the meltdown. That should be a prime component of the "narrative" our side advances.

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