Muammar Qaddafi is dead. What significance does that fact have? Several observations and questions come to mind.
First, few in Libya and virtually no one elsewhere will mourn his passing. Libya is rid of its vicious tyrannical leader and the world is rid of a terrorist and sponsor of terrorism.
Second, will the defeat and death of Qaddafi be instructive to other tyrants — say, those in Syria, Iran, or North Korea? What lessons will they take from Qaddafi’s demise? An optimist might say that one lesson for the tyrants is that oppressed people may rise up if given a chance, with lethal consequences for the oppressor. But a more likely response of the tyrants still in power would be to prevent the oppressed from ever having the chance of rising up against them. And, of course, the tyrants in Syria, Iran, and North Korea must ask themselves whether the oppressed Libyans would have had a chance of toppling Qaddafi without Western support — air cover and intelligence and aid — and whether that support would have been forthcoming had Qaddafi had WMD and the means of delivering it. More likely than not, the tyrants of the world will see Qaddafi’s defeat and elimination as more evidence that he was foolish to give up his nuclear and other WMD programs in the middle of the last decade.
Third, the defeat and death of Qaddafi cannot be viewed as a triumph of Western policy in general and U.S. policy in particular. President Obama called for Qaddafi’s ouster early in the conflict and then did nothing about it, never asking Congress for authority to use force, refusing to target Qaddafi himself, and then refusing to acknowledge that he was being targeted when NATO clearly was doing so — even insisting that the U.S. was not engaged in “hostilities” in Libya. The dallying and confusion of the Western response will be remembered just as much as the fact of Qaddafi’s demise.
Finally, Qaddafi’s death is not relevant to whether the so-called Arab Spring really is a spring in Libya. Reports that al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb secured Qaddafi’s weapons for their own future terrorist efforts and related reports that they are seeking a role in Libya’s future are worrisome. Libya’s transitional authorities this month prevented exiled Libyan Jew David Gerbi from reopening Tripoli’s synagogue and then forced him to flee the country. This too is very discouraging. And the Draft Constitutional Charter of the Libyan opposition promises in Article 1 of its general provisions that “the principal legislation is Islamic Jurisprudence (Sharia)” — also discouraging. It suggests that the Qaddafi dictatorship may well be followed by a new authoritarian regime that is hostile to the West, not a liberal, democratic one.
In short, while Qaddafi’s demise — without a torturous trial — is cause to be pleased, it is no evidence that we can be less vigilant about threats to U.S. and Western interests from post-“spring” Libya.
— Jack David, a senior fellow of the Hudson Institute, served as deputy assistant secretary of defense for combating weapons of mass destruction and negotiations policy from 2004 to 2006.
All valid points, but it doesn't answer the critical question ...
What happened to his fembots?. Please, everybody; think of the fembots.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI won't hold my breath today for the President or American Liberals to admit:
1) Obama had nothing to do with this because NATO and the "rebels" were in charge. The U.S. did not play a significant role. See also: "leading from behind" and "glory hog"
2) NATO violated the terms of the U.N. resolution by not enforcing a no-fly-zone, but instead seeking and achieving regime change. See also: Illegal Wars of Choice, Violations of International Law.
3) That the U.S. is party to yet another extra-judicial killing of someone Obama does not like. See also: America living up to its values; imposing our will on other countries
4) That the Libyan transitional "government" seems hell-bent on setting up a Sharia/Islamic state. See also: "American system, no better than any other"
Gooooo Liberals! We always knew you guys never really meant it, and it was all just a ploy to grab power from Republicans.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI'm hardly an American liberal, unless that appelation now applies to libertarians as well. But I can answer.
1. You are factually incorrect. The U.S. played the largest operational role in the air campaign, and by all accounts a major intelligence, diplomatic, and training role. In fact, not long ago Obama was being criticized for maintaining a major U.S. operational role longer than he initially said he would (largely because it turns out the rest of NATO simply lacks the military capacity the U.S. has.) I don't care for the President, but it makes us look petty not to give credit to the extent credit is due. We aren't beating Obama on security policy this election. Deal with it.
2. Yup. Sure did. And got away with it. Personally, I find UN resolutions to be worth about as much as the paper they are written on, and just as effective as a blank sheet of that paper in maintaining international security. However, we should note how this was handled. At every step we were able to manipulate the language of the resolution to justify our operations for our own goals, even while claiming we were in compliance. Smart, leaves your political adversaries at the UN without a solid purchase from which to criticize, and preserves your international political capital for when you need it down the road.
3. Yes. Nice job pointing out that Obama has ordered the deaths of Somali Pirates, Osama Bin Laden, Ayyad Allawi, and other terrorists. I'm sure everyone is going to be really hacked off that this administration has had success in killing America's enemies. You know, if we go into the election with this not only will we fail to beat Obama on it, we'll be helping the Dems make progress towards asserting that THEY are the party of national security.
4. That's not clear at all, in fact. Again, I get why we want to say that, its one of the only lines of attack we have when a president from the other party has this kind of success. There are almost certainly islamist factions within the rebel forces because there are islamists in Libya and any widespread opposition will likely contain elements from every part of the society. But its a long reach from that to "the rebels are secretly planning to set up an islamist state". That's paranoia. And if we are going to be afraid of the success of rebellions against Mid-East dicators because there are some islamists among them, we are making the decision to resign ourselves to supporting Mid-East dictators so long as they aren't islamists.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSorry, reread my comment, my fingers got ahead of my brain. We killed Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, Al Qaeda's #2, not Ayyad Allawi, Iraqi politician.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMy point is not to complain, but to highlight that Obama and the Democrats lied for 8 years under Bush. Conservatives were slandered in the most despicable terms for being far more honorable and trustwothy than Obama.
The Left never really meant it, everything they said for 8 years was a lie, Obama is a dirtbag who you can not trust on any issue three seconds after he says it.
It appears I've been successful sounding like the pantywaist, treasonous liberals who mercilessly attacked Bush for 8 years for far less "illegal" actions.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse@Jack David wrote: "In short, while Qaddafi’s demise — without a torturous trial — is cause to be pleased, it is no evidence that we can be less vigilant about threats to U.S. and Western interests from post-“spring” Libya."
So, we now see what appears to be video of an unarmed prisoner, Qaddafi, in the custody of some frenzied "rebels". Do you support the extra-judicial killing of a POW? Also, what "torturous" event in front of a war crimes tribunal would have presented problems for the U.S., its foreign policy or its national security? Slobodan Milošević's trial, and premature death in prison, was a footnote.
I won't hold my breath for anyone to point this out.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt is ridiculous to try to get around giving Obama credit for Gaddafi's downfall be saying that 'Obama had nothing to do with this because NATO and the "rebels" were in charge.' Who do you think is in charge of NATO? Iceland?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThank God he wasn't water boarded... By the way, wasn't HIllary Clinton just in Libya the other day meeting with the new government? Well, at least Saddam Hussein had a trial - for what it was worth.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"sic semper tyrannis" -- this to all tyrants. Yes Obama was lame in not admitting the US miltary was participating in the Lybian regime change desired by Euro oil companies, yes Obama and his supporters on the Left are hypocrits of the highest order for facilitaing the same kind of regime change that they called "illegal" in Iraq. Etc Etc. But what's important is an anti-american dictator is gone, and what's most important is Obama now doing the right thing and confronting the Mullahs in Iran, and getting Assad out in Syria. Sic semper tyrannis. If he falls to do that the rest of the Arab world will conclude it's safer to be an enemy of America than a kind of friend or neutral. That would be dangerous.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSo the ends justify the means. It matters not what anyone ever said before, what was voted on at the U.N. (and not Congress), or all the lies and deceit that ensued. It matters not that Sadaam and Slobodan got trials, but Qaddaif did not (and was killed, unarmed, by people not far removed from terrorists).
Got it.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI am with NK in trying to dredge up some concern for Gadaffi's civil rights and our national reputation, and coming up dry. Live by the torture of your political prisoners and die like a dog in the street, and to blazes with dainty and excruciatingly overwrought philosophical points.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWho had a better claim on the privilege of deciding his fate than the Libyans who suffered under him and then who overthrew him?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseObama is confronting the mullahs in Iran? Where, and how? You must have a meaning of "confront" different from any commonly understood meaning. He's getting Assad out in Syria? Again, he's doing nothing, so you must mean something that is not meant by the ordinary meanings of those words.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseA trail had to be avoided. The names and the countries that could be embarrassed were too great. That he was executed is no real concern to me, but it was what I'm sure the British, French and U.S. governments wanted.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI meant "a trial", but trail works as well, in that his enablers needed him disposed of before a trial led back to them.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuseagreed-- this was a Euro show, run by Euro state oil companies. A blabbering gadhafi would have been very... eh... inconvenient to those Euro interests.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSo, governments are allowed to kill tyrants who run other governments to protect the phony image of a corrupt plutocracy? Your rationalization is actually worse than I could possibly have imagined from a free people. A blabbering Qaddafi might actually have been good for the liberty of people in Europe as they (increasingly) understand the for-profit nature of their kleptocrat leaders.
My God, listen to yourselves. The ends justify the means. Protect the establishment. We truly are living in frightening times.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIn short?
Yes. Yes they do.
This isn't a game of Risk, and it isn't street crime. This is a ruthless dictator who was days away from completing his massacre of civilians who had dared defy his tyranny before NATO intervened to halt the advance of his military.
I have my share of problems with Obama, but his handling of Libya isn't one of them anymore than his ordering the death of Bin Ladin is one of them. If anything, I'm impressed with how ruthlessly he (or, let's be honest, Hillary) has been willing to play the UN and the rest of the international community for saps. OF COURSE our eventual objective was always the death of the tyrant and the overthrow of the regime. And our sorties increasingly became focused on that goal.
But with the continual ability to justify ourselves under the rubric of destroying the regime's forces to stop them attacking civilians we left most of the international community without a way to credibly try to bring political pressure to bear on us or our allies. We were able to lend de facto support to the rebellion.
I have no problem with this sort of gamesmanship whatsoever, international security is a ruthless endeavor for big boys and girls.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"President Obama called for Qaddafi’s ouster early in the conflict and then did nothing about it, never asking Congress for authority to use force, refusing to target Qaddafi himself, and then refusing to acknowledge that he was being targeted when NATO clearly was doing so..."
But I'm sure that we'll see Qaddafi's face in an Obama campaign video at some point before the next election.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThis posting denies "The West" in general, and Obama in particular, any credit for bringing down Qadaffi based on the assumption that we have all of the facts before us. If the US and/or NATO had been targeting Q, gathering intelligence on his movements, or even urging the rebel forces to go after him, should they tell us? They didn't tell us about their hunt for Bin Laden until it was over, for obvious reasons. Why shouldn't the same hold true for Q? Why would they broadcast their intentions all over the globe? This is rudimentary stuff.
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