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Biden’s Crime Whopper

Yesterday, I pointed out how Vice President Biden’s demagogic accusations aimed at opponents of the president’s latest “jobs” plan were a little light on the facts:

Putting aside the crude, inflammatory nature of his rhetoric, it turns out that Biden’s numbers are incorrect. According to statistics compiled by the FBI, the figures cited by the vice president are slightly off, but not egregiously so, when it comes to the size of the police force and the murder rate in Flint. According to the FBI data, the city employed 201 police officers in 2008 and 132 officers in 2010. There were 32 reported murders in 2008, which rose to 53 in 2010. With respect to the rape figures, however, Biden is way off. FBI data show that the incidence of reported forcible rapes actually dropped, with 103 rapes reported in 2008, but just 92 in 2010. Hardly the 150 percent increase Biden cited.

According to the same figures, property crime, theft, and robbery also declined in Flint between 2008 and 2010. In fact, the city’s overall crime index has been steadily declining since 2006. This mirrors national trends. The FBI datareleased in September show that in 2010, violent and property crimes declined by 6 percent and 3 percent, respectively, compared with 2009 levels. Robbery was down 10 percent, rape was down 5 percent, and murder, manslaughter, and aggravated assault were each down 4 percent.

Today, fact checks by the Washington Post and Factcheck.org draw the same conclusion.

From the Washington Post, which awarded Biden a rare “Four Pinocchios” distinction, reserved for absolute whoppers:

Biden, when he was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1994, was author of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, the largest crime bill in U.S. history. On the face of it, a threefold increase in rape in two years—when other violent crime statistics show relatively modest increases in the same city—should raise serious questions for anyone knowledgeable about crime or statistics. Clearly, the city of Flint supplied bad data, and either Biden or someone in Biden’s office should have caught it.

In any case, the vice president should know better than to spout off half-baked facts in service of a dubious argument. Even if one believes there is a link between crime and the number of police—which is debatable and subject to many caveats—there is no excuse to make the dramatic claim that more people will die or be raped without additional funds for police. When making such a breathtaking charge, you had better have your facts straight.

Read the whole thing here.

Factcheck.org asked Biden’s office to explain the discrepancy in the data, and was referred to a statement from the Flint mayor’s office, which apparently provided the vice president with those faulty statistics. Flint Public Safety Director Chief Alvern Lock said the city “stands behind the crime statistics provided to the Office of The Vice President,” and argued that “the discrepancies with the FBI and other sources reveal the differences in how crimes can be counted and categorized, based on different criteria.”

Factcheck.org cries foul:

The statement falls short of supporting Biden’s various claims, however. For several reasons:

  • The city didn’t specify what rape figures it gave Biden, and he’s given at least three different and conflicting accounts. He said variously that the increase from 2008 was 152 percent, that it tripled and that it “quadrupled.” At least two of those claims must be wrong.   
  • It’s true that rapes are notoriously underreported, as the vice president’s office pointed out to us. But Biden was talking about reported rapes. In fact, he used the FBI data when he said that there were 103 rapes in Flint in 2008. So why was the FBI report accurate in 2008 but not accurate in 2010? The city didn’t explain that.   
  • The FBI gets its data from the city, because Uniform Crime Reports are voluntary and self reporting. If there was a mistake on the rape data, then it was the city’s fault. But the city, in its statement, does not acknowledge making a mistake in reporting rape data to the FBI.   
  • The city did admit that it made a mistake in reporting the number of murders that occurred in 2010. It did so immediately — on the day the FBI report came out in May — and it did so again in the statement released in response to our questions. But it did not admit to making any reporting mistakes on rapes, then or now.

And, inevitably, the truth comes out. A city spokeswoman clarifies the creative “logic” Biden used to arrive at his faulty conclusion:

Update, Oct. 21: City spokeswoman Dawn Jones later explained to us that the 2010 figure provided to Biden included not just rapes that the city reports to the FBI but also “all cases of criminal sexual conduct.” That means the city and Biden were comparing reported rapes in 2008 (103) with all acts of criminal sexual conduct (229), including rape. That’s an apples-to-oranges comparison. And in any case those numbers don’t  support Biden’s other inaccurate claims — that rape has tripled and quadrupled. Jones did not readily have the figure for criminal sexual conduct cases in 2008 and answers to other outstanding questions, but she promised to get back to us and we will update this item more fully when she does.

More here.

As Jonah explains in his column today, Biden, with his penchant for “fuzzy math” and bald-faced demagoguery, really is an accurate reflection of his boss.

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   10/21/11 13:03

I love all the wonky numbers and rationalizations. Back where I grew up we'd just say Biden and Obama are making sh** up. I give Biden 4 turds on the hokkoda stink'o'meter.

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   10/21/11 13:23

And the numbers were not down anywhere!!! So the crime was up just not at the numbers he cited....Hmmm.. BUT ALL UP!

The Gop jobs plan got 3 pinoc's too! JOB KILLER Plan from the retread right!

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   10/22/11 11:50

Crime rates always go up during bad economic times. So, you could say that the higher crime rates are because Obama tanked the economy, and I would be just as right...in fact more right...than people who claim there aren't enough cops on the streets.

The best anti-crime program is a j.o.b. not for the cops, but for regular citizens. Obama's POLICIES are killing job growth, and as much as some of our liberal commenters like to "happy talk" Obama's strategy, Obama's poll numbers are heading south the more he "sells" his plan.

What's that old song by The Who? We Won't Get Fooled Again!

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   10/23/11 08:48

"Crime rates always go up during bad economic times."
Not true. This recession has proved that myth to be false.

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   10/21/11 13:12

Anything the Obama administration can come up with to distract public attention from its economic failures will be an issue de jour that the MSM will seize upon. The outrageous Rape/Crime "issue" can be considered not merely a metric of the desperation of the Obama administration, but also a measure of its gloves off willingness to throw any trash into the mix if it thinks it will work.

Obama is now attempting to use the Occupy Wall Street movement to not only provide a distraction from its own failures, but to set up shop for 2012. It is gearing up to use "Get Wall Street Off Our Backs" to become a central meme of the 2012 campaign. If this, rather than "Get The Government Off Our Backs", becomes the focus of the public's imagination then Obama will win.

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   10/21/11 13:52

We get it. You don't want millioaires to pay an additional half percent on earning above a million dollars to save the jobs of hundreds of thousands of cops, firemen, teachers and nurses that serve our communities. Got it. Thank God those poor defenseless billionaires have NRO to protect them from any shared sacrifice whatsoever.

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   10/21/11 14:23

To say that the feds need to have a jobs bill to save teachers, firefighters and police, oh and nurses, but never parks workers or sewer guys since they don't have unions I guess, IS *&^%&*&^^& MORONIC. THESE ARE LOCAL RESPONSIBILITIES. IF THE LOCALS DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN COPS, THEN NO OTHER STATE OR LOCALITY SHOULD HAVE TO EITHER.

Slide and Crazy Joe - what a pair to draw to.

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   10/21/11 14:51

If I were a Republican I won't be throwing around the "crazy" word so quickly. You have seen the debates right? I haven't seen such a pile of crazy in one place since I saw "One Flew Over the Cukkoo's Nest"

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   10/21/11 15:01

Right Crazy Slide. Don't talk about your boneheaded philosophy of nationalizing local responsibilities - just keep repeating the same insanity.

That'll do ya.

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Edgar Friendly
   10/21/11 16:11

It's "cuckoo".

Guess that "Facism 101" class you want us to pay for didn't teach you english eh?

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LouistheFirst
   10/21/11 14:25

"Juuusssttt a bit outside."

Way to miss the point, Slide.

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scc
   10/21/11 14:01

Add plagerism to "his penchant for “fuzzy math” and bald-faced demagoguery" and one surely wonders how this bozo ended up as White House second chair. Scary.

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Fred Beloit
   10/21/11 14:09

A question or two for the VP: How many police should Flint have to get to the number of murders and rapes that Washington will accept as then having enough police? No answer? Then how can our VP say what Flint does or doesn't need? No answer? Then if Washington can't say how many more Flint needs, how can Washington determine how much dough Michigan needs to send to Flint?

What an immature and clownish intellect has our VP.

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elim
   10/21/11 14:32

Flint has been a Dem controlled, Dem voting worker's paradise for decades, just like Detroit. It should be a Garden of Eden given that the Dem voter base is in charge.

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   10/21/11 15:11

You all do realize how these votes are going to look in campaign commercials right? The Republicans fighting tooth and nail to protect billionaires from very very modest tax increases at the expense of cops, firemen, teachers and first responders. Obama is a chess player and you're all playing checkers here. Loops, I just heard there is going to be another senate vote on repairing infrastructure that the Republicans will probably filibuster to protect the Donald Trumps of the world. Lol

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LouistheFirst
   10/21/11 15:20

So, it's okay to lie to win? Kinda sad, Slide.

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   10/21/11 17:03

Well, not just lie. Destroy this country and the lives of billions of people here and around the world in the process. But hey, power and control.

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   10/21/11 18:12

Exaggerate much? Silly, very silly.

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   10/21/11 16:01

Yes!

Policy should be made based on how it will look on TV!

Man ...!

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   10/21/11 18:17

You know sometimes good policy is good politic as as well. And who are we kidding, the GOP has been obstructing Obama not for any policy reasons but for raw cynical politics. As your Senate leader made perfectly clear, your number one priority is to defeat Obama. Quite the little patriots you are.

Ok we got it and now Obama is going to shove your unpatriotic obstructionism right down your throats.

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