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Cain Leads in Iowa

Results from a University of Iowa poll of likely GOP Iowa caucus-goers released today: Herman Cain (37 percent), Mitt Romney (27 percent), Ron Paul (11.5 percent), Newt Gingrich (7.7 percent), Rick Perry (5.9 percent), Michele Bachmann (3.9 percent), Rick Santorum (3.1 percent), and Jon Huntsman (1.2 percent).

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   10/21/11 17:41

How on Earth is Cain getting taken seriously? He has no foreign policy experience. His economic plan -- to the extent it's anything more than a catchy slogan -- is a joke that will raise taxes on middle-income taxpayers to spare the poor and the rich. For most big issues, he's answering off the top of his head and making it up as he goes. He's got a great story and is a compelling guy, but he's not remotely prepared to be Vice President, much less POTUS.

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   10/21/11 17:51

How can this be? Cain doesn't have a ground game in Iowa.

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 jgs
   10/21/11 18:33

My sarcasm meter is off after a long week but, if you're serious, see: Huckabee, Mike.

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wooga!
   10/21/11 20:45

Must be all that Gardisil in the water.

The key to Iowa is being pro-ethanol and virulently anti-SSM. Even if Cain starts to burn out elsewhere, he should stay strong in Iowa -- his only anti-Romney threat is there is Santorum.

(a Cain collapse would benefit Perry in other states, though)

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JerryJ
   10/21/11 23:10

Shhhhh....you're interrupting The GOP Narrative against the black candidate. Cain is not serious because he has no ground game in Iowa. Except that he's leading in Iowa. Except that doesn't matter.

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Patrick Carroll
   10/22/11 19:58

Mmmmm. Well, maybe his message appeals to the public. Have you ever thought of that? Not the high-and-mighty intellectuals like your-obvious-self, but the actual lumpen-proletariat who pay the taxes and bear the brunt of the economic downturns.

It may be hard to understand, but the new media are disintermediating the existing media, so people don't have to get messages from Carl Rove, or Andy Card, or Mary Matalin, or James Carville, or National Review before making decisions about the guy they like.

Oh, and after 60+ years of taking cr*p from the world for saving the, well, world, Americans are pretty happy to get all politically isolationist. That is, if you assault us, we'll nuke you; otherwise leave us alone and we're happy to trade peacefully.

A lot of people think Herman Cane would serve well in such a regime. And just how complicated could that be?

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   10/21/11 18:02

Cain will be a disaster!

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 jgs
   10/21/11 18:29

I don't see a viable path to the nomination for Perry without winning Iowa. The problem for him is that, even if you assume Cain is the new flavor of the month, some significant portion of Cain's support will likely stick. He's been at the debates since day one and the Iowa caucus goers likely have more familiarity with him as a candidate than they did Perry and Bachmann. i.e. I don't know that there's as much potential for him to drop as hard and fast as the others did because he's less likely to "throw up all over himself" in a debate. It's also much more difficult for the others to attack Cain whereas they all seem comfortable going after Romney in their sleep.

Who knows? If Cain does turn out to be the flavor of the month, I would guess that Santorum may get to wear the "not Romney" crown for a while. Perry needs to put that oft noted war chest to use and go all in on Iowa, IMO. As long as Romney doesn't win Iowa, I think that the person who does win will see their numbers improve overnight in the subsequent primary states.

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   10/21/11 19:13

>>Cain leads Iowa

But not for long...the fantasy has started to implode and it will take only a few days. Then, THEN, it will be real interesting to see what the race looks like.

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   10/21/11 19:20

Your Romney fantasy won't implode, however----I bet you have a Romney 2016 bumper sticker all ready to paste on after his concession speech.

When 3/4 of the party consistently won't support you despite your running for President for the past two cycles, you're going nowhere.

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   10/21/11 19:28

Do you have to be such a jerk all the time, Teflon? I comment on the race. I am not a hack like you who is trying to advance my own favorites by spamming up the forum.

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   10/21/11 20:09

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and I'll suggest: times are tough, maybe he can only afford one string for that banjo of his.

...pluck-pluck-romney sucks-pluck-pluck-romney sucks...

See, it kinda' explains it...

...then again, so would Tourette's .

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   10/22/11 09:09

It's delightful to see how upset you MittBots get about criticism of Willard.

You'd better get used to it---he's going down in flames.

Now go do wash Ramesh's hair.

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   10/22/11 09:42

Drop the "Mittbot" garbage.

70% of the GOP agrees with you, but acting like a jackwagon will allow make that number smaller.

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   10/22/11 10:18

It's our party---we had a RINO forced down our throats last time around thanks to the preference for comity over principle.

Never again.

MittBot is both an apt and useful sobriquet---the RINOs supporting Romney do so mindlessly. Have you yet seen a mildly convincing case FOR voting for the man?

And let me ask you this---if party loyalty is to be the overarching principle here, may we assume that the MittBots would vote for Michele Bachmann in the general election? After all, she has the requisite (-R) after her name.

You and I both know the answer to that.

Indeed, how many RINOs supported McCain in the primary then voted Obama in the general? For starters, there was Noonan, and Powell, and Buckley....

We conservatives need to take our party back from these people. The stakes are too high.

That means calling them on the carpet for their past and present stupidity and cupidity.

As well as making sure that the Republican candidates know they need to earn OUR votes---they are not automatic.

It's time for the GOP to decide whether it is to be the party of conservatism or go the way of the Whigs.

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   10/22/11 10:35

Once again, The American Thinker proves to be far more reliably conservative than NR, probably because many of its contributors live outside the blue state bubble:

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"Sometimes it seems as if the GOP Establishment is sleepwalking off a cliff. In 1996, having scored the stunning victories of the off-year congressional elections, the GOP suits dutifully lined up behind the impossible Bob Dole. From the moment Americans realized their choices would be Clinton or Dole, "Bubba" was never behind one day in the polls.

It's looking like déjà Dole all over again. Mitt Romney is the proverbial GOP next-in-liner. After the Tea Party helped Republicans score major victories in '10, the GOP Establishment is hunting desperately for a way to lose the very next election."

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   10/21/11 21:03

Once again, Ed, you forget that unlike yourself, I have a number of candidates I would happily support in this race: Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Perry.

That is half of the current field.

Unlike yourself and Scott.

Hmm, that's four strings on my banjo to one between you.

I can understand your frustration---perhaps one day you'll make a persuasive argument or even say something funny.

I'll keep my Reagan bobblehead pen handy to mark the calendar on that day.

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   10/21/11 21:48

See, this is the fallacious supposition you continue to make. I can't speak for Ed, but I believe there are three serious candidates in this race: Romney, Gingrich and Santorum. These are the men who are earnest, articulate and informed and credentialed. The rest are pretenders.

My personal political sensibilities probably more closely mirror Gingrich. But, I recognize Gingrich's other shortcomings and for that reason I think I'll probably vote for Romney; not because I agree with all or even most of Romney's positions, but because Romney is the most likely candidate to beat Obama, in my estimation. In the absence of both Gingrich and Romney, I would support Santorum. Now, some of Santorum's positions, particularly as they relate to social issues, are a bit too strident for my taste. But, Santorum at least is capable - quite capable in fact - of artfully and persuasively defending those positions.

At the end of the day, that's really what it comes down to for me - and I would suspect this plays in Ed's calculations as well: What candidate will be most successful in the general election, AND what candidate(s) would have the most effective presidency. In the age of the electronic media, being an effective communicator isn't an important criteria, it's the ONLY criteria. Why? If no one will listen to, and subsequently be persuaded by your message, then it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever what that message ultimately is.

You see this primary process through a single pane of glass: What candidate most closely mirrors your own political positions. And, because of that, you immediately assume that others think the exact same way. They don't. There are plenty of people just like me - people who would love an orthodox conservative candidate, but they won't pick an orthodox conservative candidate to the exclusion of everything else - primarily because it's the "everything else" that matters more in national political campaigns.

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   10/21/11 22:04

Scott, I am perfectly aligned with your views on this matter right down to having named the same three viable candidates a couple of days ago and making the same sort of calculation that you do balancing what I would most like with what seems most doable.

Unfortunately, I don't share the patience you have in trying to explain all of this to someone who, as you said, projects his own (primitive and immature) way of thinking on everyone else. It bores the hell out of me. It belongs on FreeRepublic and not here.

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   10/22/11 09:07

Says the man who yearns for Operation W-tback II.

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