Brian Beutler at TPM thinks he caught Paul Ryan ignoring, or getting wrong, basic facts about relative income mobility in the United States and Europe in his Heritage speech:
[Ryan argued] policy should be geared toward allowing high earners to grow the economy, and to facilitate upward mobility for the working class.
America, he argued, exemplifies the latter model while European economies illustrate the perils of the former.
“We are an upwardly mobile society with a lot of income movement between income groups,” he argued. “Telling Americans that they’re stuck in their current station in life, that they’re a victim of circumstances beyond their control, and that the government’s role is to help them cope with it — that’s not who we are, that’s not what we do.”
That is what they do in class-riven Europe, he said, where “Top-heavy welfare states have replaced the traditional aristocracies, and masses of the long-term unemployed are locked into the new lower class. The United States was destined to break out of this bleak history.”
Turns out that is — not true.
There are a lot of data available on this issue, but the clearest chart comes courtesy of the Economic Mobility Project, which looked at the correlation between parent and child income in various countries. Turns out in America, you’re more likely to stay rich if born rich, and stay poor if born poor, than you are in most European countries.
Here’s the chart he reproduces from the Economic Mobility Project:

I don’t think this study is dispositive. Consider that for the purposes of correlating a parent’s income with his/her child’s, the study treats upward and downward income mobility the same, which means it is compatible with a Europe where lots of people who were born to rich parents die poor. And as my colleague Robert VerBruggen just pointed out to me, there are just too many wrinkles in the social dynamics, both across classes and across countries (lower classes are more fecund than upper, European populations are more homogenous than U.S., etc.) to accept this kind of study without a grain of salt. (Indeed, it took me five minutes of clever Googling to find this paper, from the Institute of Social & Economic Research, arguing — rather technically — for a methodology that calls for teasing out “equivalent adults” between populations as a way of mitigating class/country distinctions. And wouldn’t you know it, using this methodology produces outcomes that are pretty much the opposite of the above: It finds that the U.S. and U.K. have the highest income mobility among a group of seven Western countries).
On the other hand, I’ve learned from Ryan’s office that the speech relied in part on two studies that do parse upward from downward mobility, do focus on the U.S. context, and do show positive trends. The first is this Treasury study, which looked at tax-bracket movement over two (pre-recession) periods: 1987–1996, and 1996–2005. The top lines:
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There was considerable income mobility of individuals in the U.S. economy during the 1996 through 2005 period as over half of taxpayers moved to a different income quintile over this period.
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Roughly half of taxpayers who began in the bottom income quintile in 1996 moved up to a higher income group by 2005.
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Among those with the very highest incomes in 1996 – the top 1/100 of 1 percent – only 25 percent remained in this group in 2005. Moreover, the median real income of these taxpayers declined over this period.
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The degree of mobility among income groups is unchanged from the prior decade (1987 through 1996).
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Economic growth resulted in rising incomes for most taxpayers over the period from 1996 to 2005. Median incomes of all taxpayers increased by 24 percent after adjusting for inflation. The real incomes of two-thirds of all taxpayers increased over this period. In addition, the median incomes of those initially in the lower income groups increased more than the median incomes of those initially in the higher income groups.
The second is a Kauffman Foundation report based on interviews with 500+ entrepreneurs, which found among other things that:
“More than 90 percent of the entrepreneurs came from middle-class or upper-lower-class backgrounds and were well-educated”
So it’s hardly fair for Beutler to say Ryan made claims that were “not true.” At worst, it’s a case of dueling studies. Welcome to every policy debate, ever.
Also, for what it’s worth, I think the study Beutler cites, even if it were definitive, tells a much different story than the one he thinks it does. Taking into account the world-historically high standard of living of the American poor, and the fact of real (though admittedly top-heavy) absolute income mobility for Americans over the last generation, the dearth of relative income mobility could just as well paint a picture of a society in which the middle class and lower class are protected from decline into abject poverty. In a way, the whole project of the entitlement state can be seen as the effort to decrease relative economic mobility by providing the basic necessities of life and insurance against destitution. The other side of that coin, of course, is that the system makes it hard for the lower classes to get rich. But it’s still very much an open question whether that’s because it fails to provide them with the means (broadly, what the Left thinks) or because it fails to provide them with the incentives (broadly, what the Right thinks).
I can't find the time frame for the Economic Mobility Chart. Maybe I am stopping a click or two away from something obvious that someone else has found? If so, spill.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAlong with time period let's have some info on where they got the data, how they determined income, and what the heck "relative mobility" is and how it is measured. Longitudinal studies that can track parents and children for the decades needed to determine incomes are pretty rare.
Correlation between parent and child income when? Right out of school? 50 years later? Before tax? After tax?
Anyone can draw pretty bars on a chart.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI don't have it in front of me, but in Art Laffer and Steve Moore's book The End of Prosperity, they make the comment (paraphrased),"If you were in poverty in 1980, you were more likely to be rich in 2000 than to still be poor." I don't remember the exact dates, but that was the gist of it. It's a pretty amazing stat when you think about it. Taken by itself that comment isn't scientific, but I'm sure those guys have the data.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"populations are more homogenous than U.S"
I don't think that point should only be parenthetical.
While I don't know which study to believe as they both seem reasonable in their conclusions, I could easily understand why Europe might be a place where there's more potential for upward mobility.
We import - either legally or illegal - an obscene amount of poverty every year in this country. Denmark, Finland, Norway Sweden Germany and even Canada do not. They have MUCH harder immigration standards than what are applied here. If Denmark was importing the proportional number of illegals that we were importing each year, I wonder how their upward mobility might be skewed. Also, I wonder how many of these countries are only counting citizens in these reports. Germany, for instance, will allow laborers into their country, and they might even grant those laborers permanent residency status. But, those aliens will never be citizens, and neither will their children.
I think it would be interesting to overlay immigration statistics on that "Figure 3" chart. My guess is that it would show the countries with the least inviting immigration practices are generally the countries that are most upwardly mobile.
Look at the multicultural havens in the last 30-years - the UK and the US - and that "Figure 3" chart speaks for itself.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNothing on NRO (or Mr. Ryan's speech) re the CBO report on income inequality. Such a surprise.
"A man hears what he wants to hear and he disregards the rest."
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAnother self referential post.
The truth is that we don't talk about income inequality because it is of no importance.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIf you want to get richer, get off your butt and work.
Mark: What does "self-referential" mean in this context?
My point is that this is a government report that many are looking at, yet NRO and its resident economists seem to be ignoring it (while at the same time citing other studies to defend their positions). No doubt you'll continue to say it's irrelevant, but that doesn't make the report go away. You and I are not the final word on the relevance of the report.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbusePerhaps not, but surely the people are. And study after study has found that 'income equality' has absolutely no link to happiness. The sense of an EARNED income is the greatest income-related factor for happiness.
Now go back to your hole.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseOh, so conservatives are now concerned about "happiness"?
I agree with you on your atheist position, Is this the best you can do to respond to an honest question, in addition to a juvenile "go back to your hole" admonition?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseKevin: Do you think that Paul Simon line applied to the Economic Mobility Project when it was doing its study? Jes' sayin'.
In my experience, special interest group studies generally produce the result the group was seeking before it designed the study to reach that result.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"Income inequality"?
I'm not understanding your post.
Please describe your concept of income equality, and how to arrive at such a place.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhat percent of children are born into single parent families in all of these countries?
What is the influence of educrats in each of them?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseImmigration plays a huge role in this issue.
The largest group of immigrants (that definition is subject to a secondary discussion) into the US are Mexicans, and the growth of that segment of the population has shifted in the past several years. Where once the greater growth was driven by migration, today, births to Mexican citizens living in the US outpace migration by 70%.
However, the immigrants who arrived a decade or more ago, have moved up the financial ladder, and have become small entrepreneurs who employ the newer arrivals.
Yes, the rich get richer, but in our nation's case, the poor just keep coming, making babies and moving up the ladder, making room for more poor.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIts one of those old wives tales that there is more social mobility in US compared to europe-as TPM point out, this is false. For various reasons it is now harder to move from poor to rich in US compared to Europe.
Its not comfortable to hear this, but its not the end of the world as long as everyone's income is rising over time.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI disagree. Per the original post and many of the comments, this study is not the final word and I would predict that there was a goal in mind when they decided to conduct and publish this study, so the results look that way because that is how they wanted them to work. I can give you four different results on the income scale within my own family and they do not depend on birth order or IQ or having a more than median income from our parents (household income below median for 20 years when we were growing up and above median for 20 years after we finished school). We have two single parents of the four and one is near poverty and one is at above the median, and the two who waited to have kids until they were married are in the top 5% of incomes. Life choices and how hard you work and sacrifice have much more to do with success and "mobility" than any other factor in this country. I will grant that there are many who have been hampered by the life choices of their parents and big city government education, but even people in such situations are able to study hard, work hard and get out of the bottom 20% to the middle 20% or higher. I know too many examples personally to believe otherwise.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSeems to me there's some factors that tend to get overlooked in the partisan debates about income mobility. For example, a lot of elite colleges and employers increasingly prefer "well-rounded" applicants, defined as those who have participated in lots of (often very costly) extracurricular activities or international travel, rather than "mere" academic success. I suspect that's an under-appreciated barrier to many kids from lower-middle-class backgrounds who are trying to get ahead by working hard. Or what about the fact that median home prices are still 5 to 10 times average income in many larger cities, yet politicians and the national media are constantly dwelling on the perceived need to prevent any further decline in housing values? Keeping the housing market inflated doesn't help upward mobility for younger people who are just getting started in the workforce.
The establishment Left should stop this obsession with redistributing income through higher tax rates, and start thinking about how they (and, I'm afraid, some of their conservative-establishment pals) are contributing to the problem. Wait, on second thought, maybe they shouldn't since they'd probably just try to solve it with another grant program.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe main problem with studies on both income mobility and income equality is that they look at European countries individually, when they need to look at Europe as a whole.
Most of these studies glean their information from tax returns, when tax avoidance is a veritable industry in Europe. And the primary way that the upper classes avoid taxes is by maintaining residences in tax havens like Switzerland, Monaco, and Luxembourg - even when they continue to effectively live and work in their country of origin.
What that means is that there is a large upper class that is effectively not showing up in the countries where they should be counted. That upper class tends to be of individuals from families with established wealth and connections (e.g., the very picture of income immobility), whose absence is skewing figures for their countries of origin.
Looking at figures across all of Europe would largely solve the problem (although some of the very wealthiest maintain residencies and income streams outside of Europe proper). It would reveal that there are select enclaves populated by a few of enormous multi-generational wealth, while there are vast swathes, particularly in the east and in the south, of persistent poverty. Not at all the picture these very selective studies represent.
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