Mickey Kaus does “world-historical thinker” Gingrich the favor of taking his amnesty/guestworker proposal seriously, dismantling the illogic of it. But there’s one aspect he didn’t touch on. The “red card” thing has been promoted for years by heiress Helen Krieble, a charter member of the billionaires for open borders club, as a Saudi-style labor-importation system that wouldn’t lead to citizenship. But, at the same time, Krieble is strongly opposed to birthright citizenship, devoting a couple of pages in her amnesty/guestworker white paper to the subject. But what if these red-card-carrying “temporary” workers have kids? (It’s not like we’re going to bar women from participating, as was the case for the old Bracero Program that was ended in the early 1960s, and women make up close to half the illegal population.) Wouldn’t making them leave their U.S.-citizen kids when their contracts expire be “inhumane”? So doesn’t it follow that birthright citizenship has to be ended before the first red card is handed out? If not, why not? If so, then why didn’t Gingrich mention that precondition to his amnesty plan?
I hope you anti-Romney trolls had fun imagining Newt as the one to stop Romney while it lasted...
Newt is about to drop in the polls like a lead balloon....just in time for the actual voting!
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMaybe if he had had more than sixty seconds to describe a possible program, he would have gotten around to birthright citizenship.
Perhaps a follow-up question about birthright citizenship would have been in order.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThere's a hint in what you wrote, Reno_Dave, that you think Gingrich should be taken seriously on some part of this.
He shouldn't: Gingrich said it wouldn't be an amnesty, because he wouldn't let them become citizens.
BUT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT CITIZENSHIP, which simply lets them vote and would obligate them to serve on juries.
All they care about is LEGAL RESIDENCE, so they don't have to return to their crummy countries of origin.
Any plan that lets them continue to reside here is amnesty, no matter what euphemism they cook up to obscure this fundamental fact.
Either Gingrich understands this and was trying to snooker uncomprehending Repub primary voters or -- more likely, I think -- Gingrich doesn't understand the fundamentals himself.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseReno_Dave, in bringing up his secondary point about anchor babies, seems to be conceding on Gingrich's overall appalling vision.
Gingrich talks as if he thinks that denying citizenship to legalized illegal aliens is a severe restriction. But it's absolutely toothless, since THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT CITIZENSHIP, which just gives them access to voting and subjects them to jury duty. Instead, they care about LEGAL RESIDENCY, so they don't have to go back to their crummy countries of origin.
So Gingrich is snookering ignorant Repub primary voters with this ploy, or he knows too little and is actually snookering himself, too.
And anything that lets illegal aliens stay here legally -- no matter what euphemism someone serves up -- is amnesty and is totally unacceptable.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseGingrich's amnesty proposal is ridiculous, patently absurd, and he knows it. There would be no practical way to implement it as well (e.g, hire thousands of federal bureaucrats to review fraudulent documents submitted by illegal aliens, all of whom would say they have been here for 25 years??).
Newt has been peddling amnesty for years, and this is his latest version.
The humane way to deal with the 12 million illegals here is to enforce current laws, mandate E-Verify nationwide, and cause most illegals to go home over time. This will be great for taxpayers and jobless citizens (we're already seeing the unemployment rate drop in areas of Alabama).
But Newt won't commit to this because he wants to hispander.
Sorry Newt, I'm not fooled, and if the GOP is stupid enough to nominate you, they deserve to lose and there is NO way on earth I'll vote for you. You're worse than John McCain on this issue.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseExcellent Mr. Krikorian.
I am sorry to joke, with a poor effort, but I have to wonder if Newt believes it is inhumane to capture, detain, kill, Terrorists because they too have nice Families?
Shouldn't we close Gitmo?
Shouldn't we humanely free all those mean American Prisons, because criminals also have well intentioned Family connections?
Case by case, we can clearly see by Newt's grandstanding, law matters little if we hurt the Family.
Look at the mess this evil USA has made for the Madoff Family, surely we have been inhumane in this case as well.
Let's not forget, Mr. Gaddafi was a father as well!
On that note, weren't we supposed to stop "meddling" via "smart power"?
Let's just take a step further with Newt Gingrich's Beltway Insider trading business!
Let's simply put the Celebrity Public Sector Politician's placation to so many via another MSM performance in it's full perspective. Let's cut to the chase, as the "case by case" scenario will be seen as unjust in the realm of social justice for all Families and their loved ones in any case. No law will be humane to any potential victim and their hard working Families regardless - so let's simply get rid of them. Democrats were right all along!
As everyone should be able to make a corrupt career unfettered with silly rules and legal mumbo jumbo - to appear on TV condemning the same Public Sector nightmare that fills your own pocket!
Newt is on to something...
How dare we suggest Nancy Pelosi was clearly crooked exploiting Our US Military for her own personal airline, how inhumane we were not to consider her Family and their needs for travel.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseStill obsessing about Nancy Pelosi? Why not obsess on how few working days since January 3rd John Boehner has scheduled for the Republican House of Representatives?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe problem is 'birthright citizenship' is directly contrary to the 14th Amendment.
There's a qualifier there, you're not a citizen simply by virtue of being born here. You're only a citizen if born here AND are subjuct to jurisdiction here at the time of your birth. In other words, if the parents are both foreign nationals, so is the child.
The problem isn't with Gingrich's guest worker program.
The problem is that the federal government grants citizenship to people in direct contravention to the clear text of the Constitution.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI think some "track" of other presuppositions to Newt's position are being overlooked:
"Control the border" We have dug our present deep hole by not having that control in times past and keep digging away as we postpone controlling it.
The United States population, with its criminalization of marijuana and other drug users, has also incited civil war in Mexico. That black market created by super-profits in smuggling drugs to the U.S., is fast rendering Mexico into an ungovernable country.
Were we to control the border, and adopt William F. Buckley's idea regarding legalization of drugs, do you think we would have nearly as much to worry about on either side of the border?
Steps need to be taken soon, February 2012 (Newt's contract) seems so far off. Soon we may be granting refugee status for "humanitarian reasons" as the cartels we've grown in Mexico seize the government of various states, or the federal government itself in Mexico!
Focus, Newt's presupposition, again, is: Control the US-Mexican border. He also suggested using a draft-board style operation to screen illegals now in the country. I think using the in-place draft boards would be just fine. They need to function if called upon for the original military purpose.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe "control the borders" argument fails to acknowledge that half of those in our country without papers have overstayed visas. These folks came in legally as visitors, students, legal workers, etc. and they overstayed their visas. They would not have been stopped at a border by some guy with a gun.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt would seem that the immigration reform issue, like so many other issues, has Republican "conservatives" trying not to make themselves look like fools. The problem is that when you try to take a position that you really do not believe in, you get caught at some point. I heard Laura Ingram on the radio saying that she thinks Newt's position on immigration is good, politically, but then she went on to say that she thinks we should kick them all out. It is that kind of a mentality that will defeat the Republican candidate in 2012. And the country will be the better for it.
Just because a child is a citizen does not mean that he/she can sponsor their parents for an immigration status Mark. You know this already.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYou're wrong, and there are two things to think about:
First, an anchor baby can sponsor an overseas spouse and any children of his own when he reaches 18. Three years later when he reaches 21, he can sponsor his parents and any siblings... EACH of these individuals can then sponsor their own family members, spouses, and so on. Over 2/3 of the aliens granted legal permanent residency every year are family sponsored. That's just existing law.
Second, there's an administrative component. Is there any political will to deport an illegal alien mother, aka: "separate a mother from her citizen child"? No democrat president will do so, and it's questionable whether Newt would. The point is that birth on U.S. soil often results in an administrative pass from deportation.
The "red card" proposal just kicks the can down the road until a democrat president comes along and grants full citizenship to all the quasi-legal illegal aliens who have been "victimized by the mean-spirited red card plan created by the Gingrich administration."
The sob story writes itself. La Raza would be happy with Gingrich's proposal. They see the long-term plan.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseDoes someone know how to get a hold of Fred Thompson? The Republican field is getting a bit thin, and there are a ton more debates to go. Or maybe he or John McCain would like to give it another try? Jeb Bush? Maybe we need two "divisions" of Republican candidates that can compete separately, then move toward a playoff scenario. One has to admit that the flow of things has been entertaining so far. I'm just trying to figure out how to keep the rating up as time goes on. Sean Hannity? Rotton Rudy?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAttrition through enforcement starting with a mandatory E-Verify law is the solution to ending illegal immigration. Millions of illegal aliens would self deport and millions of unemployed Americans would take the jobs they leave behind.
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