In all the Newt immigration stuff, this seems to have gone overlooked:
“Newt is for a local, community review board where local citizens can decide whether or not their neighbors that have come here illegally should find a path to legality, not citizenship,” [Gingrich spokesperson R C Hammond] said. “Two distinctly different things.”
He said it would operate like a World War II draft board. But I asked him whether it would be a problem for local communities to determine legality given that this issue would concern federal law.
“None of this matters until you secure the border,” he said.
I asked him again, though, about how local communities could determine federal law.
“That’s why it’s called reform,” he said.
So the North Podunk Town Meeting could vote to deny you your Green Card but ten miles down the road the burghers of South Podunk could vote to give one to your cousin? That sure sounds like a plan.
It’s a tribute to Mitt Romney’s soporific caution and Herman Cain’s blithe indifference to the bit on the map marked Rest of the World that Newt is now what passes for the GOP’s deep thinker.
There are no more "anti-Romneys" left.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseBut don't forget that Newt is the smartest man in the room (so saith any number of pundits), a truth that leads me to believe Mr. Gingrich, for all his faults, does not suffer from claustrophobia.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYou are a snark. Newt summarized Catholic social doctrine in about three sentences. I think that's a good thing. And he was talking, accurately, about what the "American people" will do, not what he would do. It's true that we will not expel such people, and we shouldn't. What is it about Newt that when he says true things it makes otherwise reasonable and valuable people so passionately wish to compose pithy dismissals? What's so painful about the fact that God made people like Newt. Makes me understand what it must have been like to watch Churchill being dismissed in 1935.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAs a foreigner I must confess to still being constantly surprised at the startling ignorance of your senior politicians. Particularly Republicans.
How do people so clearly ignorant of so much rise so very high?
Is this gaggle of dunces really the best and brightest that the world's greatest nation can provide? What is it that holds back citizens of genuine talent. It is shocking, confusing and depressing.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseDo you people talk to your therapists to help you understand why it is so important to you to tell Newt that he isn't as smart as he thinks?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhat's holding back citizens of talent becoming legislators/execs? The sovereign of the nation, We the People. Long, long ago, We the People decided that We didn't care about our own foundational Law. We didn't want ministers running our gov't who understood and acknowledged its clear delineation of a strictly limited Fed gov't. Instead we wanted our ears tickled. We wanted money taken from the minority to be given to whoever was politically favored. Such a situation doesn't encourage the best and the brightest.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseGingrich has a PhD and Cain is literally a rocket scientist. But people like Mr. Paxton look down their noses, tut-tutting the low intellect of these guys.
I'm not the biggest Newt fan but he's pretty bright. And you don't have a 40 year career as a top corporate CEO without having a few synapses firing.
Meanwhile, we have probably one of the biggest imbeciles alive occupying the Whitehouse right now and I guess that's just fine.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI'm sure your own country's immigration laws along with your politicians' intelligence and integrity would utterly shame us. Particularly yours.
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I did not insult Americans or America and the policies of my country are as daft as most. Still though, I cannot imagine a single UK senior politician over the last 30 years (with perhaps the exception of John Prescott) ever answering foreign policy questions as ineptly as GWB, Palin or Cain. It is farcical.
There is much for me to dislike about David Cameron but he has a grasp of his brief. Watch him every Wednesday on PMQs and tell me which of the senior Republicans could possibly do as well? The standard of the debates is just depressing. A whole panel of seriously low grade talent. And these people have teams helping them?
So instead of trying to insult my intelligence, or offer up a 'yours are just as bad' defense (even though they clearly are not), please explain why they are so woeful. America is not shy of smart people so why the hell are the debates to find a candidate for the biggest job in the land so short on IQ?
What stops the talent rising?
I think it is a serious question. If you doubt that, watch again Mr Cain's interview and ask yourself how a person that uneducated about the rest of the world can seriously be considered by so many to be the C & C. And if that doesn't bother you, ask yourself why.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhy would any intelligent person put himself through the media's meat grinder?
Also, since our politicians are elected directly rather than selected by a parliamentary system, the goal is to be the best at duping everyone, not maneuvering your way through a party machine.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt is a peculiarly Republican phenomena Mr. Paxton. For some reason they place great value on ignorance in the GOP. Something about not being elitist I guess. It is a rather sad spectacle though when you watch one of their leading candidates for President struggle to display an even casual acquaintance with the issues of the day. But let's not forget that this is also the party where a good majority don't believe in evolution.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI am bemused by your commentary. The English, being under the thumb of a supposedly superior ruling class of hereditary royalty, never did quite grasp the concept of the citizen/soldier or the citizen/statesmen back around 1776. The success and pluck of our ragtag bunch of colonial farmers and assorted rough types (as compared to the refined gentlemen of England and their spiffy redcoated soldiers in their wigs and tidy formations) was always rather puzzling to your crowd, wasn't it?
We now have citizen/politicians, where any American regardless of education or pedigree is free to stand for office, to offer his/her ideas and proposals, and to let his/her peers vote them up or vote them down.
I never knew a wiser man than my grandfather, with his sixth grade education and his rough hands ... a man who took up arms in the US Army to defend England and Europe against the Kaiser in WWI. We rough Americans saved your bacon another time after that too, as I recall ....
You ask, "What stops the talent rising?" Nothing. The beauty of our society is that anyone may put him/herself forward for office, and the rest of us determine with whom to cast our lot. That is how we determine talent. Some turn out better than others, but certainly on average we have done better than your royals, from George III on down to the rather insipid Prince Charles and the frolicsome Prince William and his pretty bride, and I will put our Mr Reagan up against any of your elected leaders, even against my personal hero, Mr Churchill.
The talent here is not stopped from rising. What you see happening every single day here is the open and energetic process of allowing talent to rise or fall in full view of the electorate.
Would you call your Mr Major a superior leader to ours? Mr Blair? Perhaps you would. But I would not.
I am glad to listen to Herman Cain and judge him on his own merits and demerits, and to then decide whether to vote him up or vote him down. It certainly beats looking down my nose at him as you are doing.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe first paragraph of your post shows a great ignorance of American history. The second paragraph is largely correct. The third paragraph isn't really relevant, although America's willingness to sit out 3 years of war in WWI and 2 years in WWII is something you gloss over. The fourth paragraph is an ego massage coupled with more ignorance, this time about British monarchs. Your fifth paragraph confuses talent with popularity, or at least the ability to whisper swee lies to the American people (who are desperate to believe them). Regarding your sixth paragraph, I would call both John Major and Tony Blair superiors leaders to Obama. As to your seventh paragraph, Herman Cain has every right to run for president. He does not have the right to be taken seriously. Courtesy may be given, but respect has to be earned.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"I am bemused by your commentary." I am not surprised.
What an irrelevant load of nonsense. Your first paragraph seemingly has not a single element of truth. It's simply bizarre.
"as compared to the refined gentlemen of England and their spiffy redcoated soldiers in their wigs and tidy formations" Yeah, our effete army was always rubbish at fighting. Still, note how this has nothing to do with my point at all and is but a knee-jerk defense of your country. (A place I love and admire which requires no protection from me).
"We now have citizen/politicians, where any American regardless of education or pedigree is free to stand for office, to offer his/her ideas and proposals, and to let his/her peers vote them up or vote them down." John Major was a 16 year old Brixton school leaver. Brown the son of a local vicar.
I note GWB though was the son of a very recent president. Still, all nonsense and not addressing my point at all. Is this merely a 'my place is better than yours argument'?
"Some turn out better than others, but certainly on average we have done better than your royals"
Again with the monarch. Apples with Pears. I said senior politicians, the inbred monarchs don't really count, why keep bringing them up? They don't debate. Ever. Do you even understand how our system works? Also I am referring to a more modern trend in US history, not the previous 200 years. BTW, are Canada and Australia also places where the cream can rise or merely repressed under the cruel yoke of the Windsors?
"I will put our Mr Reagan up against any of your elected leaders, even against my personal hero, Mr Churchill."
Few people, certainly this side of the pond, have as deep an affection and regard for the Gipper as I. I have been to his statue more than once.
Also there are many other aspects to leadership that can be compared. Decisive decision making, calmness under pressure, ability to maintain ones beliefs in the face of external pressure... None of these are necessarily reflected by ability in a debate and depth of knowledge which is what I was talking about. Not a general 'who is the better leader' argument.
But on those latter points I really wonder who would seriously suggest the historian, Nobel Prize winning writer and experienced soldier comes second to the principled and affable former actor and lifeguard. He was indeed a great president. But come on...
"Would you call your Mr Major a superior leader to ours? Mr Blair? Perhaps you would. But I would not."
I find Mr Major an underrated soul who was dealt a very tricky hand to play. But still both of those that you mention would waste these guys in a decent debate. The more free the debate and the less an over-moderated soundbite-fest the easier. Again though, I never said we had superior 'leaders'. Merely smarter senior politicians with greater depth of knowledge. Particularly than the Republican candidates, especially at the moment. If I were to line up the 5-6 next Tories in line for the top of the ticket, all of them would spank anyone of the current crop without breaking a sweat. That is not to say they would be better leaders though. I repeat my question. How many of these guys could do a better job at question time?
Are those people lined up in these debates really the best in America? They are certainly not the smartest, I realise the best presidents don't have to be, nor overly credentialed. But the sparsely educated Lincoln would whip them with ease. Do you really look upon a line up where Mitt Romney comes across as the most coherent and feel proud? As the last lines of this piece state. Newt has become the party's deep thinker. Says it all.
"I am glad to listen to Herman Cain and judge him on his own merits and demerits, and to then decide whether to vote him up or vote him down." Yup. Good for you. I am happy to watch and marvel at his foreign policy ignorance. Don't get to vote him down though.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI've enjoyed reading your perspective on the current primary, but have no fear about Cain winning the nomination. However, his participation and decent polling allows him to present a fiscal message that the other candidates have to react to in one way or another, and this gives us useful insight into their views as well. Cain has done quite well despite his lack of experience, and many Americans thank him for being bold enough to toss his hat into the ring. Too many people demand a fully formed from the womb technocrat nowadays. Any GOP nominee will be better than Obama at this point, and the fact that even Cain would be a superior leader to the President tells you all you need to know about the state of the Democrat party and its voters. Cheers. i have no use for Newt or Romney, so Perry and his 10 solid years as a large state governor are solid enough credentials for me.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI am from GB and now live in Canada.
I agree with your main criticism regarding US senior politicians but it strikes me that it was ever thus for all US parties and not just the GOP. Their day to day style of government is very different from the cut and thrust of parliament and it tends to lead to a huge emphasis being put on consensus and bipartisanship.
Nevertheless, it is not always what or how you say a thing but what you do that matters as has been made crystal clear by Mr. Obama.
By the way, Mr. Reagan was also a two term governor of California - a state with a larger population than Canada, as well being a lifeguard and union leader.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"But you're a lousy Brit" does seem to be mostly what we have to say to you here. That most conservatives actually agree with you is evidenced by the polls. Conservatives have to win this one, and we are, apparently, looking for a Messiah. Michelle Bachman was that, until she got far enough ahead to speak about vaccines. Then Rick Perry was, until he entered the race and began to speak. Then Herman Cain was, until he didn't speak (about harassment), and then did speak about Libya. Ron Paul has a large contingent that does think he's the Messiah, but then he speaks about Iran. Mitt Romney is obviously not a Messiah, which is why we all want to avoid him. He's plausible, but we want a Messiah, not plausibility. Gingrich and Huntsman were the last unheard two that we could pull out as a Messiah. Huntsman looks a lot like Romney; he might yet have a turn at Messiah, but I don't think Santorum will.
So to your question, "what keeps the cream from rising to the top?". I don't know. Maybe it's the amount of money that it takes, or the amount of selling out that it takes. President Obama is trying to raise a billion dollars. You mentioned Lincoln; could Abraham Lincoln have raised a billion dollars in order to compete? Actually, I think you're right about the checklist, and I think that means that the problem is the two party system. At one point, Chris Christie was maybe going to be the next Messiah, but in the end he wouldn't have passed the tests of the social conservatives. The tea party either needs an absolute majority, i.e., someone who can beat Nancy Pelosi in SF or Harry Reid in Nevada, or at least make them and both coasts irrelevant, or someone who can negotiate with them. That means either a Messiah or a Republican who's not tea party. We're a year out from the general election, and the top candidates in the polls are already those who are not tea party. That's actually pretty good, though. Three years in and they've set most of the agenda.
In defense of Herman Cain, though, I'm not sure he needs to be on top of Libya. In the debate with just him and Gingrich, he was asked a foreign policy question, to which he just told Newt that he should go first. In a way, that does seem appalling. On the other hand, it does show someone who knows when to let others who know more speak first. That's bad form in a debate. I'm not sure it's bad form for a president deciding whether or not to drop bombs.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseExcellent reply. And funny. Thank you. A relief to not simply be abused.
And I think I agree with all of it. Especially the final point. Reminds me of some of the stuff I say about GWB.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWelcome to New York- shaddappppppp.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseQuod erat demonstrandum
You should stand (run) for office.
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