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Russ Vought Jousts With Phantoms

Over at RedState, Russ Vought criticizes a column of mine and what he takes to be my general approach to politics. In the column that moved Vought to write his post, I argued that Republicans wrongly concluded that their party’s electoral defeats in 2006 and 2008 were the result of excessive moderation and had made counterproductive decisions on the basis of this mistaken analysis. For example, in several Senate races they rejected electable conservative candidates because they wanted ideologically pure candidates — who then lost.

Vought spends most of his time doing battle with someone he calls by my name but has very different views. Because I said that being too far left isn’t the reason Republicans lost in 2006 and 2008, he assumes that I must think that they were too far right. But this view does not follow from what I said at all; and the reason I have never said it is that I do not think it.

Because I criticized a few candidates associated with the tea party, such as Sharron Angle and Ken Buck, Vought assumes that I’m against the tea party and that it’s a great blow to my case to note that Marco Rubio and Pat Toomey were successful candidates associated with the tea party. But I’m not against the tea party: I’m for making distinctions where they’re appropriate. The case for Rubio over Crist or Toomey over Specter was much more compelling than the case for Buck over Norton or Angle over Lowden. Crist and Specter were well to the left of the bulk of the Republican party. Norton and Lowden were conventional conservatives who were rejected for the less compelling reason that they were considered too establishment-oriented — and rejected for weak general-election candidates.

More generally, I think Vought falls prey to a tendency I’ve written about before: the assumption that self-appointed spokesmen for the tea parties accurately represent the broader phenomenon of the tea parties. Listen to those spokesmen, and you’d assume that “the tea party,” singular, opposed the House Republicans’ spring budget deal and seethe with anger toward Speaker Boehner. But most tea-party affiliated congressmen supported it and like Boehner. None of them seem to face serious political trouble at home as a result, whatever the activist groups who claim to represent the tea partiers say. If you look at the tea partiers as all those voters who place a high priority on cutting government down to size, it’s a large and influential group. If you look at them as all those voters who think that most Republican politicians are sellouts who need to be replaced by real right-wingers, it’s a tiny but vocal group.

Vought writes, “Ramesh has long wanted an agenda that focuses on issues such as wage stagnation, traffic congestion, and student loan costs that appeal to middle class voters, not middle class entitlements that are bankrupting the entire nation.” This isn’t true, and the link he provides doesn’t support it. My actual view is that Republicans need to explain how limited government and free markets can (for example) lead to higher wages and better health care. That doesn’t mean that they should ignore foreign policy, social issues, the courts, or Medicare. I think having something compelling to say on those issues would strengthen their hand on all those issues. (A country where rising health-insurance premiums keep wages from rising is not going to reform entitlements or liberalize trade.)

In my column I pointed out that if Republicans had suffered politically because they had moved left, you’d expect to see them to have lost support disproportionately among Republican-base voters — and that this isn’t what happened. In 2006, Republicans turned out at roughly the same numbers they turned out in 2004 and voted for the party’s candidates at roughly the same rate. Republicans got slaughtered among independents. Vought claims that it’s more important to look at voters’ professed political philosophy. Alright, let’s do that. In the strong Republican year of 2004, conservatives made up 34 percent of the electorate and voted 81 percent for Republican House candidates. In the disastrous Republican year of 2006, they made up 32 percent of the electorate and voted 78 percent for Republican House candidates. Whether you look at it in terms of party affiliation or political philosophy, the results look the same: There was some slippage on the right but not a huge amount. Nor can one assume that this conservative slippage was caused exclusively by Republican squishiness — note, for example, that the vast majority of conservative voters favored the prescription-drug subsidies Vought excoriates. Maybe some of them were upset about Iraq, corruption, etc., too.

It seemed to me that a big part of the Republican response to those election defeats should be to do a better job of applying conservative thought to voters’ concerns, to be competent, and to be clean. To think of our options solely in terms of moving right or moving left is to have a stunted view of politics.

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   12/06/11 16:24

Here's the main flaw in Ponnuru's thinking:

Amid a landslide election in its favor, in which the party expressed a more conservative message than in 2004-2008, the GOP had three particular losing senate candidates -- among numerous more who won -- that were more conservative than the electorate in their respective states.

And from those three isolated examples, again amid a landslide -- Ponnuru concludes that conservatism or moderation had nothing to do with GOP defeats in 2006 or 2008.

I agree that's not how the average voter phrased it to one's self in 2006 or 2008. But to conclude that excessive moderation had nothing to do with it, simply on the basis of three senate candidates, is a bit crimped for my liking.

How come Kirsten Gillbrand won re-election? Because her senate opponent was "too conservative"?

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   12/06/11 16:29

PS -- there is no reason to believe that Pat Toomey was destined to be automatically more acceptable in PA than Angle was in NV.

In many respects, NV is more conservative than PA, and Toomey more conservative than Angle. So, that example reads more as 20/20 hindsight base-covering than prescient analysis.

The difference, as I see it, was that, as a former congressman, conservative activist Pat Toomey had more experience in running a campaign than did Angle.

And, with respect to O'Donnell, people like Ponnuru had as much to do with her defeat as O'Donnell herself.

But the fact that Ponnuru refers to Mike Castle as a conservative is really rather insufferable.

One little hangnail over the center line is not inherently "conservative".

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   12/06/11 16:58

This is utter nonsense...

"And, with respect to O'Donnell, people like Ponnuru had as much to do with her defeat as O'Donnell herself."

Ms. O'Donnell was doomed to failure, and should never have been given the Nomination. A terrible candidate for the offering. It was all a joke, an embarrassment, and a huge gift to the disastrous Democratic Party.

Substance is everything. The record is essential when judging the potential of anyone. A child can distinguish between quality and something poorly conceived. Conservatism was never based on mere fantasy, fiction, or emotion. Conservatism is powerful because it is serious and reasoned.

We all want stronger conservative Candidates, but the reality is, these offerings are not stronger, nor are they more conservative. Again, how could any Conservative ignore the soundness essential to any political offering? Proven ability is a priority - Conservatives used to grasp the simplistic essence of quality.

Besides, many like Newt Gingrich, play the purist game simply to hide the reality they are so dreadfully lacking in basis. It is so vividly obvious, some are taking Our Base for a ride, including the Beltway Insider who swindled 1.8 Million via Fannie and Freddie.

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   12/06/11 17:17

"Substance is everything" pontificates Old Fan, in the midst of the Obama Administration.

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   12/06/11 17:21

I really don't think you have much cred on whose taking the base for a ride, or what conservatism is all about.

And your drivel leads to the conclusion that non-politicians with thin records cannot represent conservatism. Then, you ramble on about Washington insiders.

Aside from its bi-polar character, your post lacks credibility, coming from a jack-booted militant moderate.

And I stand by the assertion that the lack of support from the GOP establishment, after their own voters chose the candidate, was destined to impact the outcome, among other variables, like the candidate herself, which I recognized.

I like how you let stand with no comment the analysis that Toomey is more conservative than Angle, and NV is more conservative than PA.

So, both of you militant moderates can convince yourself that Rubio won merely because of his ethnic heritage.

How did a staunch conservative win in Wisconsin? With a long record in public office?

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   12/06/11 21:17

How did a staunch conservative win in Wisconsin? With a long record in public office?

Actually yeah, that's how Scott Walker won in Wisconsin. He was the Milwaukee County executive before becoming Governor. He had experience running a blue county before becoming Governor. He needed every morsel of that experience to pass his union reforms.

We need to quit denegrating experience in office. Denegrate liberal policies someone enacts while in office, not the very act of being in office

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   12/07/11 12:23
   12/06/11 17:50

There is reason to believe the party establishment undermined the campaigns of Angle and Buck to teach a less on to the Tea Parties for invading their turf. The Nevada Republican Party openly threw its support to Reid in a gesture of pique.

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But in fairness, one also has to acknowledge that Sharron Angle ran a dreadful campaign.

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   12/06/11 16:31

Ramesh says: "For example, in several Senate races they [Republicans?] rejected electable conservative candidates because they wanted ideologically pure candidates–who then lost."

Name one "conservative" candidate that Republican's rejected last election. Mike Castle?

Oh, wait a minute, you believe Mitt Romney is a conservative.

Nevermind.

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   12/06/11 19:14

He listed two in the article - Lowden and Norton. I note he omits O'Donnell-Castle from this, I imagine because nobody could claim that Castle was not a liberal, hence even losing with O'Donnell might have been the smarter thing in the long term.

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   12/06/11 16:43

Mr. Ponnuru, when you lead with some sound, objective, reasoned challenges to the enormous emotive fashion pushed today within the Conservative arena, you will be targeted in the most hostile manner.

It is a very dreadful sign, as we have seen many trying to offer some sanity before, vilified and demeaned repeatedly. It hardly is conservative. In fact, one of the most regretful cases, occurred with Mr. Levin distorting and misrepresenting the offering of Mr. Mirengoff, all over a disastrous Delaware embarrassment.

Today we see the same dysfunctional push, which is desperately trying to empower a Beltway Insider who swindled another 1.8 Million from the taxpayer via Fannie and Freddie.

It is a sign of the delusion grown amongst us, and we best wake up before it is too late.

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Texpat in NE
   12/06/11 16:43

I would argue that Lowden, Norton and Castle were defeated not simply because they were too establishment but because they were openly dismissive or contemptous of Tea Party activists and their concerns. If they had just thrown a few bones to the Tea Partiers, they would likely have won their primaries, and the map would look a good bit redder today than it does now.

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   12/06/11 16:46

I'd be more enthused about considering Ponnuru's position if I still wasn't trying to digest his position that we should solve our economic problems by inflating our currency (well, just a bit of inflation, you understand, while we simulate economic productivity and thereby maintain a proper growth in wages). Why this isn't Keynesian humbug, I haven't yet figured out. So I'll leave it to others to weigh in on Ponnuru's brilliance as an analyst on party politics.

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 ds
   12/06/11 17:33

It's not Keynesian because Keynes didn't advocate it.

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   12/06/11 17:41

I'm sure glad you cleared that up. Truth to tell, I did have a go once at reading General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money, but found it so turgid I could never slog through it. Since then, I've just come to accept the notion that Keynesian economics is anything a lib wants it to mean in order to justify greater government spending.

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   12/06/11 19:03

Lord Keynes didn't write the General Theory to explain but to obscure and impress.

Read Von Mises instead.

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   12/06/11 19:30

Yes, I did read Von Mises, as well as Hayek, finding a great deal of satisfaction with the both of them, But then, they never cast any positive light on Ponnuru's desire to inflate our currency.

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   12/06/11 22:44

Okay, that was an excellent response.

Elitists love inflation because it punishes the frugal while allowing "painless" ways to pay the debts wracked up on The Great Project of State.

Cut spending and you risk losing power while diminishing the power you do have. Raise taxes and it's even worse in both cases.

But print more money---no problem! It's a free lunch.

Well, except Von Mises and the non-Keynesian economists all know there just ain't no such thing.

The rest of us are perfectly willing to clip the wings of the elites and reduce the size and cost of government. That is a price the ruling class simply is unwilling to pay.

And thus they don't.

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 ds
   12/07/11 11:01

"Since then, I've just come to accept the notion that Keynesian economics is anything a lib wants it to mean in order to justify greater government spending."

Fine. But there's no "government spending" being advocated here.

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Cory Wilson
   12/06/11 16:48

Ramesh,
I remember reading your original column at the time, and I think I commented on it. What you've written since then, trying to explain yourself, has made more sense than the original column. But if you wanted to be critical of a couple of tea party candidates and not the whole movement you could have said so. As it is you came across as advocating for more 'big government conservatism' or doubling down on 'compassionate conservatism'. If you were misunderstood you were crying out to be misunderstood.
I know you guys don't want to hear us simple folks wish for Reagan to come back, but we don't care if most of the electorate will vote most easily for a 'compassionate conservative', or whatever. We need someone to lead and explain why conservativism is the right way to go and inspire the country in that direction. It's sorely missing. Unfortunately, Newt is the only one trying to at least fake it (incidentally, I agree with what you said about Newt in your most recent column).

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