There has been a lot of discussion in the blogosphere about a research paper by Lauren Rivera that describes how elite professional service firms (top investment banks, law firms, and management consulting firms) go about hiring. The argument is that it is basically a self-perpetuating old boys’ network. Reading the reactions of smart, well-intentioned people with no first-hand experience of this process, and who therefore take her paper at face value, this seems to be feeding into a meme of “the capitalist game is all rigged.”
I think that there is an element of truth to Rivera’s description, but it is mostly pretty misleading. I’ll focus my comments on management consulting, where I worked for about ten years. I participated in every stage of the process from job candidate to new junior consultant to hiring partner.
Start with some quick industry background. You can divide management consulting into “strategy consulting” and “other.” Strategy consulting is the elite end of the consulting business. Most of strategy consulting can be subdivided into two tribes: McKinsey and “Bruce Henderson’s children.” McKinsey is the industry leader. Bruce Henderson founded the Boston Consulting Group (BCG) in the 1960s. A number of BCG spin-offs have occurred since (Bain, SPA, LEK, etc.), and some of these have created further spin-offs. By far the largest and most important is Bain. Together, McKinsey, Bain, and BCG (“MBB”) are the dominant elite recruiters for consulting, though a swarm of smaller strategy firms can compete successfully for the best talent.
There is a lot wrong with Rivera’s picture of how recruiting works, but I’ll focus on three important issues.
Rivera grossly exaggerates the degree to which access is limited to graduates of four super-elite schools.
Rivera writes:
Employers formally restricted competition to students at the nation’s most prestigious campuses and, contrary to common sociological assumptions about the role of institutional prestige in occupational attainment, having attended a highly selective school (e.g., top twenty five) was typically not sufficient for access to elite labor markets.
Here are about 40 schools in America where BCG and/or Bain are doing on-campus recruiting this year (meaning not just that they will accept resumes, but that they are doing things like on-campus presentations to get students interested, and then doing on-campus interviews): Duke University; Amherst College; Brigham Young University; Brown University; California Institute of Technology; Claremont Colleges; Columbia University; Cornell University; Dartmouth College; Harvard University; The University of Virginia; Princeton University; Yale University; UCLA; University of Michigan; Northwestern University; University of Chicago; Massachusetts Institute of Technology; New York University; University of Notre Dame; University of Pennsylvania; Emory University; Rice University; Southern Methodist University; Stanford University; University of California at Berkeley; University of Southern California; University of Texas; Georgia Tech; Morehouse College; UNC Chapel Hill; Washington University, St. Louis; University of California at San Francisco; Vanderbilt University; Baylor University; Texas A&M University; Georgetown University; Davidson College.
They also hire a lot of people from these campuses. Consider MBA hiring into the associate position, which is the most common starting point for the climb to partner. The top MBA programs are usually considered to be Harvard and Stanford (please save your e-mails, as the point will hold if you move a couple of schools up or down a notch). In the next tier, MBB hired the following numbers of MBAs by campus this year: Northwestern (88), Wharton (85), Chicago (76), Columbia (60), MIT (55), Michigan (40), Duke (36), Dartmouth (24), Berkeley (23), and UVA (20). That’s over 500 hires, or more MBAs than these firms typically hire in a year from Harvard and Stanford.
This is nothing like a random sample of American universities, but it is a much bigger pool than Rivera implies. It’s not the top four schools, but more like 40 or 50 highly competitive schools and 10 or 15 highly competitive MBA programs, that get you access to these firms. Further, while the odds of getting an offer are higher from the most highly ranked schools, a large fraction of each incoming class normally comes from schools not ranked 1–4.
If you get into, for example, Michigan, UCLA, Emory, or the University of Texas, work hard to get good grades in a difficult major, and score very well on standardized tests, you will likely be able to get an interview with one of the leading strategy firms.
Which brings me to the next point.
Rivera grossly overestimates the importance of extracurriculars, and grossly underemphasizes the importance of standardized test scores, and especially, case interviews.
Rivera says of elite employers that:
They restricted competition to students with elite affiliations and attributed superior abilities to candidates who had been admitted to super-elite institutions, regardless of their actual performance once there. However, a super-elite university affiliation was insufficient on its own. Importing the logic of university admissions, firms performed a strong secondary screen on candidates’ extracurricular accomplishments, favoring high status, resource-intensive activities that resonated with white, upper-middle class culture.
There will be exceptions to everything I say, but the way the actual selection process usually works is like this.
Interview slots with the best strategy consulting firms are a scarce commodity. Your resume gets you selected for an interview (though in rare cases, the cover letter and any interaction you may have had with the firm at campus recruiting events can matter a little). Take the example of undergraduate resume screening. Candidates are required to submit resumes, complete transcripts, and SAT scores. As an operational matter, the pile of resumes plus supporting materials submitted for all the candidates for school X is assembled, and each of these candidates is scored independently by three members of a school recruiting team (typically consultants who went to that school). These scores are then combined to create an aggregate rank for all candidates in that school. So, school prestige, which looms large in Rivera’s artificial mock resume screens, matters in selecting target schools, but is not usually relevant in real resume screening because you are screening resumes within a school.
In my experience as a resume screener, the logic normally goes something like this.
If you don’t have at least 750 on the math SAT, you’re out. The most common score is 800. Math plus verbal scores should be well over 1500, and typically over 1550. GRE, GMAT, and other scores should be scaled similarly.
Then, your degree should be in something hard: math, physics, electrical engineering, analytical philosophy, computer science, and so on. It’s okay to major in history or literature, but you better have some really tough quantitative or analytical classes on your transcript, and have done very well in them. If your GPA is below about 3.5, you’re out unless there is some really compelling rationale for why. The average successful candidate has a GPA above 3.7. Everyone understands how bad grade inflation is, and that it’s worst in the most elite schools. Any reasonably smart person with good instincts about course selection can figure out how to get a decent GPA at one of these schools. A GPA-plus-major screen is not about IQ, as much as it is a quick screen to see who is capable of figuring out how to succeed in a new environment, and of doing at least some sustained work. Screeners and interviewers will typically look at the transcript to make judgments about raw candlepower; for example, checking which calculus sequence the candidate completed, and if it was the most difficult track, what grades were achieved.
Prior summer internships at an MBB firm, Goldman, etc., are a strong positive. The reason is not that this means somebody is “clubbable.” The recruiting process for internships has similar resume screening/interviewing steps, and there are even fewer internship slots available at each than there are slots for full-time jobs. Therefore, it means that this candidate has succeeded already in a similar, very difficult selection process.
Finally, extracurriculars matter; but they are marginal compared to these other factors. They are mostly relevant if they show incredible drive. For example, working your way through school in some crap job where you have to deal with people is a big plus.
If you get an interview slot, there are then typically three rounds of interviews. Rivera’s paper claims directly that these are pretty loosey-goosey affairs which people are trying to get a sense of how polished the candidates are:
Interviews — which followed screens — were reported to be highly subjective assessments, where abstract notions of “fit” and “chemistry” routinely drove hiring decisions
Here’s how interviews really work, in my experience.
Interviews begin with first-rounds on campus. Each candidate is given a 45 minute interview, about 44 minutes of which is devoted to presenting the candidate with analytical challenges, and seeing how he or she works through them. The goal is to understand how the candidate can reason analytically — translating an unrehearsed real world problem to a mathematical representation, doing the math, and then translating this back to a real world solution, with awareness of all the simplifications that were necessary — under pressure. This is an attempt to recreate the most challenging part of the job, and is termed a “case” interview. Based on these, a majority of first-round candidates are cut. Second-rounds normally happen the next day on campus. It is a repeat, except that each candidate is normally interviewed twice that day, and each interview is longer. Based on these, a majority of second-round candidates are cut. The remaining candidates are invited back for third-rounds. This takes place at the company’s offices over a full day. Each candidate is subjected to ten or more additional interviews, most of which are case format, but some of which are more typical “let’s talk about you and us” discussions.
Each candidate is then considered holistically, but because so few people in this final selection group have anything but extremely strong grades and test scores, the interviews are usually the crucial way to try identify the highest potential performers. A small fraction of those who started the interview process are offered jobs.
Which brings me to my third point.
Firms sell into a competitive marketplace.
Almost everybody would love to live in the cozy club atmosphere that Rivera described, and it is always creeping into hiring, promotion, and compensation decisions at these firms, as in any human institution. Discipline is maintained only because you have to sell into a competitive commercial market. Unlike how it works in the movies, it is very rare that the COO of a Fortune 500 company hires your case team to do a six month project at $375K per month so that you can sit around and reminisce about rowing crew together at Old Eli. The more vibrant, competitive, and open the overall corporate environment is, the more you will see continued emphasis on finding people who can produce, because the corporations will only pay for what creates commercial value for them. The more the corporate environment becomes dominated by crony capitalism, the more you will see the reverse. And to be more precise, you will see the characteristics that define a competitive consultant become more the kind that Rivera describes: fit, smoothness, and familiarity with the ruling class.
In an earlier post, Steve Hsu made a useful distinction between what he calls the “soft” elite firms that Rivera profiles (investment banks, law firms and management consultancies) versus “hard” elite firms such as hedge/venture funds, startups and technology companies. He argues that the hard elite firms produce something more measurable, and therefore rely less on prestige in selecting people. This distinction is a useful starting point, but what has been happening over the past 20 years or so is the increasing migration of value from soft to hard; basically, to math, technology and analytics-intensive work. This is happening within firms and industries — the emphasis on math ability was growing within consulting in the period I worked in it, as it was within banking — and across sectors as technology start-ups and math-intensive finance became the most obvious ways to make real money in America. This isn’t random, but is happening because these are huge opportunities to create value. This is in part why I left consulting to start an analytics software company. It became obvious that this was the way to create value for clients. This won’t last forever, but has been true for some time.
This should emphasize that the people selected for these jobs are in no sense a “meritocracy.” Most obviously, it has nothing to do with moral worth, as people don’t earn their genes or parents. But more broadly, what I have described is not a hunt for the “best and brightest” in some general sense, but rather for people who have an incredibly arcane bent of mind and set of ambitions that fit into an environmental niche that they didn’t create. This is as true of “hard” elite firms as “soft” elite firms. Despite all the chest-pounding, 50 years ago most of these people would have clerks; a couple hundred years ago, not especially successful farmers. Fifty years from now, for all we know, these will no longer be especially valuable talents.
Ironically, moving away from the idea that firms are looking for “the best” or “most worthy” in some general sense, and simply recognizing that they should look for predictors of success within a given business model relevant to a specific point in economic history, allows not only more effective hiring decisions, but also a little much-needed humility.
Isn't an "old boys network" the way everyone else hires? I've never had a job where I didn't know the person hiring me prior to being hired. Now that I'm the one hiring, I'd estimate that only about 10% of my hires are unknown to either myself or someone who already works for me. Most are friends, relatives, neighbors, or previous co-workers of current employees. Liability issues have made checking references useless, so it comes down to asking someone who knows a potential employee, "does this person actually work or are they looking to ride my timeclock?" My staff know their job will be harder if they have to babysit a loser, so the answers tend to be more honest than I'd ever get in an interview.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAnd I've *never* had a job where I had an 'in'. I'm guessing you're the exception and I'm more the rule.
You might want to expand your hiring horizons.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt might be different by industry but I've only once in my career (6 firms, all advertising) gotten a job without AT LEAST knowing someone at the firm I wanted to move to who at least passed my resume along and put in a good word.
And I've been at two of the top five global creative agencies.
It's just how it works.
These days I only ever really want to work with the people I know are good (or people I know are good that recommend other good people).
And straight out of college kids? A complete waste.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI would add that there are extra points at all of those firms for "diversity" candidates and they go way out of their way to give extra opportunities to practice for the case interviews, which are way harder than even outlined in your post. I have worked at three (next tier below M/B/B) different firms over the last 15 years and interviewed with all of them and the process is the same at all of them. If there was a better process to identify talent who can do the work mentally and from a discipline standpoint, these very smart firms would have figured it out.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseTo assume that a candidate that's gone to the "right" schools and played smoochie-bottoms at all the country clubs will automatically rise to some higher potential level of being employed is simplification in the extreme. Even in smaller companies, that aren't hiring MBA's from the top 10 schools or the top 50 schools, apply similar testing methodologies in order to weed candidates - not at the level described in the article, but they still want to get a basic feel for the candidate's ability to think on their feet, to be comfortable in a room with strangers who are judging your performance as you work a problem out on paper, and probably, in the long run, looking to gauge not just technical skills but whether or not the person has enough heart to engage the interviewers happily, regardless of their performance. It's a combination of "hard" and "soft" testing.
In my limited experience, the higher the caliber of the school, the higher the expectation is of the candidates. Since it's a buyer's market for labor, the firms can readily spend the time and money to get the very best possible candidates available. They're certainly not wading through resumes, picking "Buffy" simply because her Da went to Yale.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMr. Manzi:
Thank you for an interesting post.
I would say that the "clubbiness" comes at the steps you mention below.
"but some of which are more typical “let’s talk about you and us” discussions." and "Each candidate is then considered holistically, but because so few people in this final selection group have anything but extremely strong grades and test scores, the interviews are usually the crucial way to try identify the highest potential performers."
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAmen amen amen.
I'm a Partner at one of the MBB firms and was infuriated when I saw the initial press around the Rivera paper, which is grossly wrong on the facts.
Yes, we recruit heavily at the Ivies, especially Harvard/Yale/Princeton. But that's because the "hit rate" at those schools is relatively high. In any given year we can easily find several dozen graduating seniors who meet our normal threshold to be granted an interview slot at those schools, and a very high percentage (15-20%) do well enough in interviews to get a job offer. Thus its a very high ROI use of our scarce time to aggressively recurit at those schools.
We also aggressively recruit at big state schools like The Universities of Illinois, Michigan, Indiana and Wisconsin (I'm based in Chicago - other office have their own regional biases). But the reality is that our hit rate is much lower. We find fewer students at those schools who meet our crietria for interview slots than we do at the Ivies (despite the fact that the Ivies have much smaller undergraduate populations), and those we do interview on average have a lower success rate in the interview process (maybe 10-15% get offers). But the ROI on recruiting at these schools is still pretty good.
We also happily take resumes from students at less prestigious public universities and small, obscure liberal arts colleges, and bring them into our office for interviews if their accomplishments (test scores, grades, work experience, extra curriculars) are such that they would merit an interview slots at the places we do actively target. But this is a very small population - in any given year we get 1-2 new hires from this pool - tops.
In any event we don't value connections one bit. In fact, kids from truly "connected" backgrounds (i.e. the sons and daughters of true wealth and privledge) typically don't have the work ethic needed to rack up the academic record we look for as an indicator of smarts and drive (And who can blame them? If my dad was worth $100M I probably wouldn't have worked too hard in school either).
We do value extra-curricular involvement, because ultimately we need to hire people who can work with clients and a true drone who sits in his/her room and studies 80 hours a week is unlikely to have the personality to be successful in this line of work. But we are completely agnostic on what that extra-curricular involvement is. Tight end on the football team? Great! Marching band? Great! Founded a student-run food bank for the disadvantaged? Great! Debate team? Great! President of your sorority? Great! And for that matter, an applicant who didn't have heavy extra-curricular involvement but who worked extensively in college to pay his or her way through school is looked upon VERY favorably as well. But at the end of the day, test scores, grades and the difficulty of your major count way more than any of that stuff. And the reason for that is that we're a business. If we don't do good work for our clients we don't get paid. And if we don't hire smart, hard-working people we don't do good work. Period.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSo, what you are saying is that you like recruiting at the Ivie's because they have already done a good portion of your selection for you.
Years ago, Admiral Hyman Rickover was in charge of the Navy Nuclear program and basically selected all of the officers. There were all kinds of goofy stories about the interviews he held, testing the applicants. He had a really high success rate of applicants that were selected for the program and made it through the training. I was speaking with my father about it (he worked for Bell South and I was a 4-year Navy scholarship student of Electrical Engineering) and he scoffed at Rickover's prowess at selecting applicants. His reasoning, Rickover was selecting from the cream of the students on Navy scholarship, whether at a civilian school or at Annapolis. He probably could have selected any of the applicants and they would have done well in school.
It is so hard to get into a school such as Harvard, Princeton or MIT, let alone graduate, that a good portion of the selection is already done.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"So, what you are saying is that you like recruiting at the Ivie's because they have already done a good portion of your selection for you."
Sort of. We still see a HUGE variation in the quality of candidates within Ivy League schools, and we see many candidates at the big state universities who are just as impressive if not more so than the best Ivy League candidates. But we have scarce time and find that the average candidate at Harvard is much more likely to be someone we want to hire than the average candidates at most other places. Its a numbers game, and the odds are very good at the "prestige" schools. Again - we still find the odds pretty good at places like Michigan and Illinois, so we actively recruit there too. And we're always open to finding the great candidates at the school you've heard of. But we invest our time and attention differentially where we are differentially more likely to find good people.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSay what you will. Go on and on. Below 750 and you're out? Nice to know. Nobody at MBB or any employer like that ever said "HYP(S) -- you're out."
So anyone with a brain at any of those employers expands the list to 40 or so schools? That's nice. What about all the others? What about Whittier College? Eureka College?
This is not equal opportunity, any more than Powerball or the Miss Universe pageant is equal opportunity.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYeah, I think the Feds should pass a law requiring all employers to interview all new college graduates every spring, to be sure that everyone has been considered equally. Would that make you happy? Yes? Okay, now ask yourself if such a system is feasible in the real world.
In that real world, upward mobility in the US is, I would venture a guess, the greatest in the world. Johnny may go to Podunk U because his parents didn't realize there were options for their bright son, but Johnny's kids, levering off of Johnny's hard work and better understanding of the world, will have options their dad didn't. That's life.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNot here to complain because, yes, life is unfair, but I'm Johnny in cab's hypothetical. On all standardized tests, I scored at or above the levels mentioned in the article and I attended a tier 3 school (my home state's flagship school, but it is a rather podunk state) due to my parents' repeated insistence that "Nobody will care where you went to college" coupled with the fact that state school would be free while I would have to take out a massive amount of loans to attend a decent college (my parent's were well off, just uninformed about how the world works outside the midwest and unwilling to foot the bill since state school was free).
Now, my career isn't in complete shambles or anything, but it's been a much harder slog than it needed to be and I'm fairly certain I'm pretty far behind where I would be career-wise if I'd gone to a highly ranked school.
I've seen discussions like this on NRO in the past and there seems to be a decent contingent of people on here with ideas similar to those of my parents (if you go to college doesn't matter, much less where - look at xyz who started their own businesses, etc.). With that in mind, I feel it is my societal duty to inform them:
If you have an intellectually gifted child, send him to the best (well, most prestigious) university you can. On both coasts (plus Chicago and, increasingly, major Texas cities - basically most places you can find a white-collar job) the assumption will be that you attended the best university to which you were admitted, and your job opportunities will reflect that thinking. People absolutely care where you went to college. It matters. A lot.
Note: If you want to go to law school or medical school, undergrad choice matters less (though for law, grad school choice is incredibly important), but I would advise you that if either one of those applies, you should reevaluate your career decision and see above advice.
Sorry for ranting
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseFor law school, undergrad only really matters at all if it's HYPS, and even that is minor. GPA is eighteen bajillion times more important than undergrad. LSAT is even more important.
A 3.3/175 has decent options; a 3.9/155 will be limited to some very expensive schools with incredibly weak recruiting options.
The weird thing about law schools is even the worst ones are often very expensive. Even state schools have rising tuition (especially if out of state). The worst ones also make you work hard to maintain scholarships, and the bottom-most rung will fail out a quarter of the class in the first year to prevent them from lowering the school's bar passage rate.
People have the idea that undergrad matters to law schools, that major matters, that lower-ranked law schools are cheaper tuition, and that basically every law grad gets a job. All of these ideas are close to 100% untrue.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThese firms can't recruit from every University...or even most Universities. It's a matter of resource allocation -- look at the time and effort that goes into these recruiting trips.
ALL of these screens are shorthand -- cutting the pile down to a manageable number of qualified candidates in the most efficient way possible. If you didn't make it into an elite school, chances are, you aren't going to have what it takes to get hired at one of these firms. Does that mean that SOME candidates who may have had what it takes won't get the opportunity to interview - yes it does. From a cost/benefit standpoint, does it make sense to expand the resources necassary to find those individuals out there in the sea of second tier schools? No way. Is this a devastating social injustice? Please. There are plenty of ways to succeed in this country . Getting hired at McKinsey is only one tiny insignificant one.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI disagree. It's not that people outside the top schools are all going to be bad picks. It's just that the ratio of qualified interviewees versus unqualified interviewees is much better at the top schools.
There are definitely smart and talented people who go to state schools for whatever reason (money, family, friends, tribalism). But there are also plenty of people for whom this was the best option available because of lower grades and lower test scores.
The employers don't want to work hard to find the gems they want amidst the students they don't want. The ratio is better at top schools, and the absolute numbers are better. The applicants are presorted, so it simplifies their task. But it's not really about rejecting lower-tier-school candidates out of hand. They just don't need to bother because they already have their needs met by schools with far more fertile recruiting pools.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"Below 750 and you're out? "
Yes, the OWS has real problems with this. In the real world, no one gets participation trophies (ht Adam Carolla). You actually have to produce to be rewarded. In this instance, people who actually produced in high school and college are being rewarded with an opportunity to try and repeat that excellence in an environment where they're rewarded with cash rather than academic marks.
That, of course, is how the system is supposed to work.
And, if you're one of the premiere recruiting firms that is trying to provide staff positions to premiere employers, why would you look at any Tier III school?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseGetting into the Ivies reflects ability? Since when?
Legacies, diversity and money. That's how you get into the Ivies.
You are picking a no smarter cohort of individuals from Harvard, Yale and Princeton than you are from UMass, UConn, and Rutgers.
But you are picking better connected ones.
Human Resources is for the lazy sociology majors, who are basically incompetent at their jobs.
If you've ever worked anywhere, you'd know that.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"Getting into the Ivies reflects ability? Since when?"
First, he didn't just cite Ivies, so I'll ignore that canard, right off the bat. Second, if you look at the US News rankings, one of their criteria for excellence comes from how discerning the school's enrollment criteria is, particularly as it relates to the SAT scores of incoming Freshman. The math is simple: The higher the average SAT score of incoming freshman is, the higher the school will rank. Certainly that doesn't account for the entire metric, but it is part of the equation.
"You are picking a no smarter cohort of individuals from Harvard, Yale and Princeton than you are from UMass, UConn, and Rutgers. "
Did you even read this guy's article? He said that most recruiters pick from the TOP 50 schools. I don't know much about UConn or Rutgers, but I'm pretty sure that UMass is either within the Top-50, or very close to it.
But again, one of the things that seperates a Tier I school from a Tier II or Tier III school is discrimination - not racial discrimination but academic discrimination. Tier I schools have smarter entering as incoming freshmen than do Tier III schools. That's not my opinion, that's the opinion of US News.
"Legacies, diversity and money. That's how you get into the Ivies. "
Again with the "Ivies" - your envy is dripping.
I went to a top-20 school. My family wasn't rich, and I wasn't a legacy (my mom went to college after I was in high school and my dad is a service academy grad). BTW, I paid for it by taking a NROTC scholarship. How 'bout that.
I have two kids in college right now. One is in a top 10 school, and the other is going to my alma mater. Believe me, their old man isn't rich and they aren't legacies.
"Human Resources is for the lazy sociology majors, who are basically incompetent at their jobs."
I have absolutely no idea why this is irrelevant to the discussion - a mystery known only to you.
"If you've ever worked anywhere, you'd know that."
Not have I only "worked somewhere", I now own my own small business. Shocking, right.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI mean to say that "only one is a legacy". But, I'd point out that the child attending my alma mater is there by way of athletic scholarship, not nepotism.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"You are picking a no smarter cohort of individuals from Harvard, Yale and Princeton than you are from UMass, UConn, and Rutgers."
So your argument is that the SAT does not correlate at all to academic ability, work ethic, or intelligence? Not even a little?
Harvard 75th SAT is 2390. Princeton and Yale have only slightly lower 75ths.
Rutgers 75th SAT is 1940. Seems that Uconn and Umass have roughly equivalent scores.
Obviously school admissions are rife with non-intellectual admission standards (social credentials, diversity, legacy, athletics). But the HYP 25th percentile SAT is higher than the 75th percentile at the other three schools you mentioned. So you're basically arguing that the SAT/ACT scores are irrelevant when it comes to academic ability or intelligence.
I'm sure you will find plenty of talented and intelligent people doing poorly on the SAT/ACT. But you'll also find some very intelligent people with bad grades, some with felony records, some with substance abuse issues, and others with no formal education at all. It would be nice if employers could thoughtfully sort through all these factors to find qualified individuals.
But there's a lot of work to be done and a lot of people to be hired. The SAT, ACT, GRE, GMAT, LSAT and MCAT have done a lot of the work sorting candidates by raw test-taking ability. The universities further sort through many tens of thousands of applicants in total. Now the employer needs to find X number of interviewees to hire only Y new associates. As long as X and Y aren't ridiculously huge, it's really easy for these employers to rely on the sorting work already done by tests and schools.
It's not that going to a state school means you're dumb or a failure or means you're even average or mediocre. It's just that the top schools work really hard to capture the best possible students, they have the name and prestige to draw those students, and the staffing needs are such that employers don't HAVE to comb through every half-decent state school.
I did not go to an undergrad named in the article, so this applies to me too. Stop taking it personally.
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