On MSNBC just now, South Carolina Democratic chair Dick Harpootlian painted Republican voters there as potentially refusing to vote for a Mormon, while trying to make it so. From memory: It does not bother me that he may believe the Garden of Eden is in Missouri, but it may bother them.
This is an ugly card and I hope Republicans looking to keep Romney from the nomination do not run with it in the coming days.
Somebody might want to tell the MittBots to cut the anti-Catholic nonsense for the duration.
Wonder who might do that?
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThey don't need to dip into anti-Catholic bigotry to attack Santorum - his record is awful enough that it makes such attacks unnecessary.
About the only time I've heard Santorum's religion brought up with respect to attacks on him has usually been in conjunction with some policy that he's advocated on the stump.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt would be inappropriate for any candidate to make Romney's Mormonism an issue in this campaign.
It would also be a bit unrealistic to expect average voters, particularly devout Christians, to entirely ignore some of Mormonism's more... esoteric... claims.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuseif it's a none-issue for Mormons' that vote routinely for non-Mormons then why should it be an issue the other way around?
why don't we concern ourselves with all the other fringe elements of Christendom? why are we okay with Muslims in office since extreme elements of their religions are our current combat enemy, hinduism, buddhism, other pagan faiths?
Mormons are acknowledgably unfairly targeted and persecuted in an era that should be fostering the very best from Christians everywhere!
Further if you review the tenents and precepts of their religion if revolves completely around Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice.
And if the redeeming grace and atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ is at the core of their religion and at the core of Christianity then what else really matters? All else would be but mere apendages to that centralizing truth!!
Mormons, upon closer inspection by anyone, legitimately do not deserve the treatment they receive from people who claim to serve God.
No. Not really...
In regard to your last sentence:
Is there a religious minority for whom that is NOT true?
Perhaps, those which do not share Christianity's "main precept"?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIf the Garden of Eden is in Missouri, then why hasn't Obama's Department of the Interior swooped down on it yet, declaring it a national heritage site and saddling it with about 50,000 regulations?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHe's seeking a second term, remember.
He still needs to pretend he's a Christian.
:)
(Psych!)
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe ugly "anti Mormon card" has consistently meant Romney supporters eager to discover, whip up, or invent anti-Mormon sentiment so that they can exploit it. After first McCain and then Huckabee were falsely accused of an anti-Mormon "push poll" in Iowa four years ago, the CW came around to where it may well have been misguided Romney supporters who polled Iowa on Mormonism, allowing Mitt a pretext for delivering the clunky "JFK speech" on Mormonism he had been so desperate to make.
Conservatives have to fact this type of allegation = guilt idea all the time regarding race, sex, etc. Our position has always been the responsible one that precisely because racism for example is a serious offense, intemperate allegations of racism have to be treated cautiously. We need to apply the caution regarding irresponsible cries of anti-Mormon bigotry, instead of Romney supporters just opportunistically following the lead of Democrats who are deliberately trying to sow conservative dissent. So a dubious conragtulation to K-Lo for taking Hartpoolian's bait.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseUnable to locate the link, but there was a fairly recent poll that suggests there is more potential anti-Mormon bias among liberal voters than among conservative Evangelicals. Think the hysteria over the Mormon church's involvement in Proposition 8 in California to get an idea.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseProgressive neoracism.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAny time the anti-Mormon card is played, it should be countered with a clip of Jeremiah Wright. Although if people didn't care in 2008, they're not likely to care in 2012.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt is only a matter of time before the GOP fools rush in. Religious bigotry not seen since JFK ran for president...Yes, GOP: see gun, shoot foot.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMormonism is NOT one of my quarrels with Romney. And in fact the "I like to be able to fire people who provide me with bad service" line actually warmed my heart a little, while Perry's inept, populist, 'hail Mary' use of a prejudicial term like "vulture capitalism" to stigmatize perfectly legal and legitimate competitive activity was disheartening.
My problem with Romney is that I view him as a mild centrist weather-vane, who hates controversy enough, to quickly buckle under relatively minor pressure, and turn against his party's aims. I fear that it will take little more than a few mean spirited op-eds and Mitt will be calling his right wing critics 'crazy' and trying to shelter from the 'Tea Party madness' with the left who will just laugh and condemn him. Unfortunately he displayed this tendency to attack his own base very early in the debates, when he successfully tried to scuttle Rick Perry's social security reform rhetoric as 'scary' and 'outside the mainstream'. He still denies that in the first edition of his book he mentioned Romneycare was a model for the whole nation. But he did. He's creepy that way. Trying to get Anderson Cooper to pull Rick Perry off of him when he was telling Rick that essentially 'real presidents know when to shut up and let people talk' didn't help.
He governed Massachusetts as a slightly left of center moderate and was not all that popular when he left. (Indicating he fails to understand the great lesson that the left DOES hate us even when we kowtow to them and run interference for them when they are under pressure).
He created a statewide program that became the model for Obamacare and STILL hasn't really had a mea culpa moment over that, yet he claims to be a staunch enemy of Obamacare. Is he? Is he down for that fight? On the weather vane theme, I do not want to have to spend the next four years blowing harder than the press and an angry democratic base to keep him on course for big politically dangerous projects like repealing Obamacare.
What if he wins, and he doesn't like the inevitable opposition flak? What if he swings left and in the process condemns the tea party and tries to take us all back to the big tent, inoffensive, milquetoast, quiet, pre-shamed version of the GOP that talks about smothering evil social conservatism and redefining fiscal conservatism into 'compassionate conservatism' ? What if, in the long run he settles for only slowing down the democratic agenda a little as a compromise?Is that really much of a win for Republicans, conservatives, right-wingers, libertarians, and moderates who have abandoned Obama and want a real antidote to change ?
I think the answer is no.
If Romney wants more than a depressed tepid measure of "anyone but Obama" support from me this November and beyond, then his work is cut out for him.
The Mormonism I have no problem with. It's MItt himself. A tough, confident, fearless Mormon who was promising to make the Tea Party proud of him would be very EASY for me to support with great enthusiasm. Believe me.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI think you want to see what he said in his book the way you see it. I don't see it that way at all. I think he said it was a model for other states but not the fed. But whatever, the anti-Romneys will see what they want no matter the facts.
What I truly see as puzzling is how after Perry says it is only compassionate to provide in state tuition to illegal foreigners... or heartless not to, and provided jobs to illegal foreigners with Obama cash, and now has declared war on Capitalism as too mean... everyone needs a trophy, no matter how badly they perform...
After all that, you still can't find the true conservative in the race.
It is amazing how blind the fear of Mormonism makes you and others. Without that predetermined view that Romney must be up to something if he is a Mormon... you would give him the benefit of the doubt and openly see his past for what it really is.
He governed as conservatively as humanly possible in an overwhelmingly liberal state. But because he is a Mormon that makes him dishonest.
That is the prejudice that is not recognized. He has less flips than most, but each one is magnified in your mind and others, because his religion is suspect to you.
If his religion were not known. You would support him. With exactly the same past.
The thing is. Romney doesn't ask you to forget he is a Mormon. He doesn't ask for a level playing field. He works around it. He earns it, because he is the very best we could ever hope for.
And with all the changing definitions of "Conservative" Romney knows what it means. Because it is how he lives his life.
Newt and Perry and Huntsman have forever disqualified themselves as Conservatives the same as though they came out for abortion.
Capitalism is a pillar of conservative thought that simply can not be violated.
So who is left? Who meets all the tenets of conservative? Only one.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"It is amazing how blind the fear of Mormonism makes you and others."
This is disgusting. You are blaming someone who criticized Romney on plainly non-religious grounds, and insisting that it is all about his religion. News flash: people can criticize Romney without being bigots. I would gladly vote for Huntsman, but I dislike Romney because I think he is a lying demagogue with no moral core. So am I an anti-mormon bigot too?
"Newt and Perry and Huntsman have forever disqualified themselves as Conservatives the same as though they came out for abortion."
And when Romney demagogues and lied about Perry's calls to reform Social Security, that didn't forever disqualify Romney?
I think it is obvious that you are blindly defending Romney BECAUSE of his religious beliefs. Just like many Catholics blindly defend Santorum because of his religious beliefs -- despite Santorum being the worst candidate in the field from a fiscal conservative standpoint.
You think Romney was lying when he ran for governor (because he had to pander to a left leaning audience), but telling the truth now (even though he is pandering to a right leaning audience). I think Romney is a liar now. His lies about the rest of the Republican field have revealed that he cares for nothing but raw power. And the shallow appeals to the religion card by his followers are signs that the man cannot be defended on the merits.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt is rather progressive of you to assume that your opponents (however TEMPORARY that arrangement is supposed to be, you know?) are automatically bigots.
It's not good enough for you or your progressive fellow travelers to have a difference of opinion. You take that and run with it to try to besmirch someone's character because the person has the audacity to disagree.
I'm biased in favor of Mormons. Mormons mostly live in Utah and Idaho because they had no choice. They were constantly being forced to keep moving, til they landed in relatively sparsely populated western lands.
Kind of an exodus, of sorts.
So, I have a soft spot for religious minorities.
And I cannot stomach Romney's plastic visage. He represents everything I detest in politicians.
Now, relate that back to his religion, Johnny-One-Note.
Huh? Go on.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI don't find his religion suspect Petunia. I don't care about his religion.
I am a Lutheran and if Mitt was a Lutheran I'd still have the same complaints about him. He's an unreliable quasi-conservative who has favored big government approaches more often than not and is pretty unrepentant about it. He attacked Perry for saying that Social Security is a massively under financed ponzi scheme in need of being reformed or replaced.
Where's the Mormon problem in that?
I've already mentioned several times in the corner's comments that I'm angry at Perry's recent attacks on so called 'vulture capitalism' and I've said that attacking Mitt from the left is a horribly misguided strategy. I've also said that I LIKED hearing MItt say that it's good to be able to fire someone who gives you bad service instead of being stuck with them forever because they are an extension of he federal government. Again, where's the fear and hatred of Mormons in that ?
Your mind reading act is both lame and silly.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseProgressive neoracism.
That's when liberals project their own biases and bigotry on to right wingers, then label them as racist bigots.
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