Apparently I don’t even have a bubble.
Anyone know where I can get one?
| Score » 15 out of 20 (75% ) Result
On a scale from 0 to 20 points, where 20 signifies full engagement with mainstream American culture and 0 signifies deep cultural isolation within the new upper class bubble, you scored between 13 and 16.
In other words, you don’t even have a bubble.
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Isn’t the “coming apart” phenomenon just an inevitable consequence of meritocracy, though? If you vaccum up all the smart and motivated
people from poor communities, you’re left with the clueless and feckless. Slums just ain’t
what they used to be.
The unpleasant thing about being poor used to be not having stuff. Nowadays the really unpleasant thing about being poor is having to live among other
poor people.
That's....one of the most interesting photos I have seen. How did those folks do it?
Heh. Capcha is "start saving today". If only.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSmoking Cigars on a luxury cruise liner doesn't count as being around smokers.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMy results:
On a scale from 0 to 20 points, where 20 signifies full engagement with mainstream American culture and 0 signifies deep cultural isolation within the new upper class bubble, you scored between 9 and 12.
In other words, even if you're part of the new upper class, you've had a lot of exposure to the rest of America.
My engagement points come from my history and my bubble points from my choices, for the most part. Perhaps that's why (a) I don't think living modestly is such a horrible fate; (b) I do think Murray is full of baloney when he says bubble people have so much to learn from their lessers; and (c) I don't think the "lessers" need help that isn't already there for the taking if they want it.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseOops. That second bit was part of the test results and should have been italiziced:
In other words, even if you're part of the new upper class, you've had a lot of exposure to the rest of America.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI tend to agree on points B and C. I think there is a lot more jostling amongst the classes than Murray believes.
I'm also a skeptic on the whole meritocracy business. Derb swallows it hook, line and sinker, but that's just confirmation bias. Our meritocracy is much more of a guild system than a true meritocracy. John Kerry is a great example. He has the right credential, the right affectations and the right opinions. That allowed him to go from penniless gigolo to wealthy Senator, firmly ensconced in the elite. He's also as dumb as a post.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe relevant aspect of John's comments on meritocracy is not that all members of the elite are highly intelligent, but rather that the elite tends to vacuum up pretty much all the highly intelligent and competent members of the "lower classes," incorporating them into itself.
While those "born into" the elite may not be competent and intelligent, you can pretty much guarantee those who move up into it are.
This leaves the "lower class" neighborhoods and groups progressively less leavened by intelligence and competence.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe relevant aspect of John's comments on meritocracy is not that all members of the elite are highly intelligent, but rather that the elite tends to vacuum up pretty much all the highly intelligent and competent members of the "lower classes," incorporating them into itself.
Which is why I say it is nonsense. There's no evidence to support that, unless you pretend everyone not in the underclass is a member of the elite. On the other hand, if you consider the elite the top two to five percent of the population, then "meritocracy" is not the word to use.
Now, most with an above average IQ do flee the underclass. Some become career criminals or fall into work that has them immersed in the under class. The rest move into the middle classes, but only a trivial number end up in the elite bubble as described here.
Anyway, Derb's faith in science and merit has a 19th century feel to it which is quaint and often entertaining.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe evidence is the very topic that this article and the book it refers to are all about.
I saw this coming 25 years ago when I was still in high school. Brains and initiative tend to lead to wealth. Lack of these tends to lead to poverty. Rinse and repeat over multiple generations, with the children of the self-made and self-unmade meeting with others of their own kind and reproducing, and you soon have something almost approaching speciation at work. It is quite fascinating to watch really. Not only is the average IQ of wealthy communities higher, but so is the EQ (Emotional Intelligence) and what might best be described as the attractiveness quotient.
This is not a tragedy, but is the direct result of a nation where each person is free to rise or fall by their own merits.
Because America is a nation where competence and character are rewarded, and where opportunity for those who possess these traits abounds, the best and brightest from every background tend to converge upon their natual station in life. One that is defined and determined not by the circumstances of their birth, but by the quality of their individual attributes. Few people get to be a Rockefeller or a Bill Gates, but anyone with the talent and initiative to become a mere millionaire can do so, even if their daddy was a coal miner. But this is not possible for someone who is stupid, lazy, crazy, or possessed of other flaws that result in self-sabotage and failure in life.
In other words, character is destiny.
Winners win.
Losers lose.
The mediocre muddle through.
But none of this has anything to do with where your parents came from.
Failure is the product of the person who fails, not of 3rd parties or imaginary saboteurs who somehow did them in.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHow Thick Is Your Bubble?GuestScore » 4 out of 20 (20% ) Result
On a scale from 0 to 20 points, where 20 signifies full engagement with mainstream American culture and 0 signifies deep cultural isolation within the new upper class bubble, you scored between 5 and 8.
In other words, you can see through your bubble, but you need to get out more.
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Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseOn a scale from 0 to 20 points, where 20 signifies full engagement with mainstream American culture and 0 signifies deep cultural isolation within the new upper class bubble, you scored between 9 and 12.
In other words, even if you're part of the new upper class, you've had a lot of exposure to the rest of America.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"The unpleasant thing about being poor used to be not having stuff. Nowadays the really unpleasant thing about being poor is having to live among other poor people."
After a quarter century of representing poor people charged with crimes, I believe that this is one of the most important things people need to realize.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"On a scale from 0 to 20 points, where 20 signifies full engagement with mainstream American culture and 0 signifies deep cultural isolation within the new upper class bubble, you scored between 13 and 16.
"In other words, you don't even have a bubble."
Well, I try not to live in things that have rapidly depleting air supplies. :P
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYou won't be in the bubble if you've been in the military, because you'll answer yes to the parade question, the uniform question, the military question, and the not living around college-degreed people question (likely true even if you are an officer).
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNot to mention the hunting and smoking questions.
I would take the test again, as if I never served, but not sure that would be a fair reassessment.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI was in about the 10 range. How did a snotty Brit get more plugged into the American mainstream than me? I bet it was that question about stocking your fridge with beer that did it.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI think the test reveals more about the bubble that its makers are living in than it does its takers.
It seems to be based around the idea that the only alternative to a high-rise-dwelling,cognac-sipping, peace-marching, Volvo-driving, Ivy-league, dean's list Episcopalean is a rural, Pabst Blue Ribbon-guzzling, Elks-parading, truck-driving, veteran, C-student evangelical.
How about the other 180 million of us? The suburbanites? We don't drive pickups unless we're really annoying jerks, because we don't actually need pickups. But those with familes often drive minivans, SUVs, or crossovers that real truckers would sneer at. The rest of us drive domestic sedans. We were B to A- students who graduated from a decent state school or a private school that's no Ivy or Duke. We drink mass-produced affordable wine more often than mass-produced afforable beer, but we're not snobs about it. We just like the taste. Yeah, we know who Jimmie Johnson is because NASCAR went mainstream 20 years back, but many of us admittedly wouldn't have been able to recognize Darryl Waltrip in 1987. A lot of us are Catholic or Jewish or mainstream Protestant that is neither high church Episcopal nor charismatic holy roller.
We've never watched Oprah because we have jobs. Also because she seems to be an idiot.
Set us down blindfolded in any indoor shopping mall within 25 miles and we can find our way to the men's (or ladies') restroom at the back of Macy's third floor inside of four minutes. Or alternately, the food court one next to Sbarro. Can our purely urban upsacle or purely rural counterparts say as much? I think not.
And actually, even if we accept the test as given, a 15-20 should indicate as thick a bubble as a 0-5. The 0-5's are real Americans too, and there are plenty of them, and the life of an 18 is just as insulated from those real Americans as those with a 2 are insulated from the blue collar crowd.
BTW, the quiz also ignores the 10% of real America that's black urban.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYeah, the test is so biased as to be meaningless.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"And actually, even if we accept the test as given, a 15-20 should indicate as thick a bubble as a 0-5. The 0-5's are real Americans too, and there are plenty of them, and the life of an 18 is just as insulated from those real Americans as those with a 2 are insulated from the blue collar crowd."
I disagree. You don't have to live next door to one of the Coastal 'elites' to understand them. Television, movies, newspapers, and public radio stations have been showing us Americans in 'flyover country' the concerns of that class and the assumptions and values they have for decades. Most of the media is like a giant "Voice of America" broadcast trying to inform the 'great unwashed foreigners' in the interior about every detail of New York City or the concerns and fads of urban Californians.
Imagine if the TVs in every airport in the nation was locked on the Outdoor Channel, all the schools got their educational materials on nature from 4H, and the majority of all sitcoms or police procedurals were set in either Nashville or Wichita...
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThat's very true, and I agree that I was too sweeping in that generalization.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbusePerhaps, except I am a Volvo driving Episcopalian who lives in flyover country and I scored 15. Of course, by your logic I am insulated in a thick bubble.
You're too caught up in trappings and are ignoring the underlying mindset and biases the whimsical test is focused on. The higher scores are not about superiority, but exposure. You assume that the scores predict thoughts and actions. They do not; they simply show a lighthearted picture of of how much interaction the obviously biased sample group, Bubba isn't going to waste time on this, has with those who differ from the poll taker.
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