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NYT on the Austrian School

From a NYT piece on Ron Paul:

It was “The Road to Serfdom” by Friedrich Hayek that became the ur-text of Mr. Paul’s emerging ideology, introducing him to Austrian economics and its Manichaean choice between laissez-faire capitalism and a government-run economy destined for disaster. (Mainstream economists have long dismissed the Austrian school, but it retains a devoted following among libertarians and some conservatives.)

I guess it depends what you mean by “mainstream” and “Austrian school,” given those Nobel prizes for Friedrich Hayek, James Buchanan, and Milton Friedman. I’m not saying that the Austrian school is dominant or anything like that, and there are many –sometimes conflicting — views that one might identify as Austrian, but this strikes me as awfully glib, no?

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   02/06/12 10:21

"Glib?" Hello, Jonah, it's the New York Times!

If an economist doesn't agree that higher tax rates have a POSITIVE impact on job creation and that government spending has a $5 to $1 mulitplier, he is "out of the mainstream."

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   02/06/12 10:24

I don't think don't think most Austrian school economists, or Friedman himself, considered him an Austrian school economist. He considered the Austrian business cycle theory to be incorrect.

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Cincy
   02/06/12 10:29

Who wants to be in the "mainstream" if the river is flowing into the mouth of Hell?

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   02/06/12 10:29

They are always arguing over on ZeroHedge about Orthodox vs Heterodox economics and where Austrian fits. Most agree it's not Heterodox because that's more the Marxist or Radical view, and it's definitely not Orthodox as that's the Keynesian view. Most are fans, and feel it reflects reality better, and that Orthodox economic thought is trying to make a hard science out of something that is affected so hard by psychology.

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   02/06/12 10:32

Here's a good article from recently (January): Peter Boettke Explains Austrian Economics - External Link 

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   02/06/12 10:30

If glib means "casual display of cultural totalitarianism" then yeah, glib.

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   02/06/12 10:31

Unlike Keynesian economics, the major failing of Austrian School economics is that it works.

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Doug D
   02/06/12 10:54

Friedman is not an Austrian, he is part of the so-called Chicago School. In an interview with the Hoover Institute in the 90s he said "I think the Austrian business-cycle theory has done the world a great deal of harm." The Austrian approach is decidedly non-mainstream and the Times description of its place in economics is pretty accurate. The issue is that for some reason a lot of folks have come to use 'Austrian' as a catch-all term for all non-Keynsian economics, but its not. The major Keynsian alternative is the Chicago School. That's where most mainstream conservative economics are located.

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   02/06/12 10:57

Glib goes without saying. I'm more bemused at the term ur-text. Big thought for the usually painfully un-original NYT.

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J Long
   02/06/12 11:10

A more accurate quote would be - most mainstream economists reject the Austrian School of Economics because it does very little to increase the prestige and power of bureaucrats and functionaries like themselves, or as they wish to eventually be. Or something like that.

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Chris Wynes
   02/06/12 11:27

Regarding the NYT's description of the "Manichaean choice between laissez-faire capitalism and a government-run economy destined for disaster", the point of "Road to Serfdom" was not that there never exists anything between those two poles, but rather that so-called "mixed economies" always moved slowly but inexorably towards the command-economy pole. History has proven him right, as the mixed economies of the West have all moved uniformly towards more and more control over the last 60 years. You can have your mixed economy if you're willing to pay the cost in inaccurate price information, but you can't keep the bureaucracy from eventually taking over the whole economy.

I'd also like to point out how excited I would be to ever see a major newspaper describe Marxism this way. Marxism as an economic theory has been discredited widely for over 100 years, and is much more popular in sociology departments than in economics departments. One could easily claim "Mainstream economists have long dismissed the Marxist labor theory of value, but it retains a devoted following among socialists and some liberals."

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   02/06/12 15:18

How likely do you think it is that the author of the NYT piece has ever actually read "The Road to Serfdom" ?

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   02/06/12 11:37

Milton Friedman was NOT part of the Austrian school, Mr. Goldberg.

Milton Friedman:
"I think the Austrian business-cycle theory has done the world a great deal of harm. If you go back to the 1930s, which is a key point, here you had the Austrians sitting in London, Hayek and Lionel Robbins, and saying you just have to let the bottom drop out of the world. You’ve just got to let it cure itself. You can’t do anything about it. You will only make it worse. You have Rothbard saying it was a great mistake not to let the whole banking system collapse. I think by encouraging that kind of do-nothing policy both in Britain and in the United States, they did harm."

Maybe try a little fact-checking next time.

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KTM450SXF
   02/06/12 12:27

Noticed the same thing, David.

Now, I wonder, cupcake, if that mistake of Jonah's in any way negates his point. Care to weigh in on that?

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   02/06/12 11:43

Milton Friedman was absolutely not an "Austrian" economist, even though he agreed in many cases with their specific policy recommendations. The essential differences between Austrian and neoclassical economists have to do with the method of economic analysis. Neoclassical economics relies on mathematic modeling to derive empirically testable hypotheses of individuals' economic behavior, and then tests those hypotheses using statistical methods and data from the 'real' world. Austrians reject this formalist and mathematical/statistical approach for a variety of reasons, including the fact that they generally don't believe in equilibrium end-states as the outcomes of economic behavior (which generally rules out optimizing mathematical models). As a consequence of rejecting economic equilibria, Austrians also don't believe in reduced form econometric equations, which can be estimated to determine the parameters of the underlying functions which capture and/or reflect economic behavior (e.g. utility and production functions).

Milton Friedman was very much a neoclassical economist, believed in both the theoretical and empirical dimensions of the neoclassical methodological paradigm, and in fact made substantial contributions to neoclassical economics. He respected Hayek immensely but his approach to economics was very different.

PS Sorry to get in the weeds here on economic geek-ery...

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Westie
   02/10/12 17:38

capcha: nice job...Larry Kaufmann for explaining the differences between the Monetarist and the Misesian VPs....if you are the WI Economist, I thought your commentary on the economics of RR projects was also well done!

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Larry Kaufmann
   02/28/12 18:05
   02/06/12 11:56

Austrian school: Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek
Chicago school: Milton Friedman, George Stigler

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centrist_centrist
   02/06/12 12:01

sorry JG, you have no idea what you're talking about. There are as many faculty in the top ten economics departments who study "austrian economics" as there are who study "marxist economics", ie one or two who got tenure then lost it.

And Milton Friedman was as neoclassical and mainstream as you get.. NOT austrian.

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J Michael T
   02/06/12 12:04

All you need to do is check the NYT Style Guide where it says:

Mainstream economists = Paul Krugman

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