At a recent press conference, CNSNews.com asked Nancy Pelosi whether she supported the administration’s ruling that Catholic institutions would be required to offer employees health insurance that covered contraceptives — including those that induced abortion. Pelosi replied, “I am going to stick with my fellow Catholics in supporting the administration on this. I think it was a very courageous decision that they made, and I support it.” Watch the exchange here.
She's going to side with her fellow Catholics -- who apparently speak with more authority than the bishops who have made a clear statement of dogma.
In other words, Pelosi is saying she is more Catholic than those who have sworn their obedience to the apostolic succession and the Church's magisterium.
That's the funny thing about the church of secular humanism: the high priestess actually prefers to hear the "faithful" call themselves Catholic. As long as they check their Catholic principles at the door.
Okay, not really a funny thing. I think there's reason to be uneasy about what's happening these days.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseCan she just be excommunicated now, please?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseShe has just endorsed the complusion of indviduals in committing and/or supporting an intrinsic evil (in addition to the numerous of other actions, comments and support she has given to various intrinsic evils, e.g. homosexual conduct, contraceptions etc.), the real issue is why any bishop with jurisdiction over her not acted in accordance with the Catechism and excommunicated her - I think the only way possible, if, regrettably, at all, she returns to the faith is if such a full and public pronouncement is made.
But the bishops hold a mass for the Governor of New York and his concubine and allow him to receive our Blessed Lord's Body and I could list the litany of their failures, but we known them. Prayers for the Bishops and apostates like Ms. Pelosi, for strengthen and their redemption.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuseintrinsic evils - homosexual conduct and contraception.
Really? homosexuality and contraception are intrinsically evil? My, my. Ok. Good luck with you staking out those positions. Sometimes I wonder if it is 2012 or 1812 with the modern day right.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseWhether or not you agree with it, the Roman Catholic Church has maintained doctrine that certain things are inherently and inarguably sinful. Adultery, abortion, drug use, and plenty of other things that modern American society rarely blinks at.
On that list, yes, are homosexual conduct and contraception. A sinful action is not morally ambiguous. By definition, a sinful action is an evil committed against oneself or another, and against God. By definition, sin is determined by God, not by what you or I think is socially acceptable.
You are free to be snarky and condescending if you wish, and you are free to mock the tenets of a religion to which you obviously do not adhere. But Church doctrine either matters to the Church or it does not. If it does matter, then Nancy Pelosi is staking a position in direct opposition to her alleged beliefs. Which is an appalling prospect for people who actually think religious faith is important.
But hey, keep on keeping on. I'm sure you'll have plenty of other dismissive insults to trot out. It's an election year, after all.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSlide believes only in a "living, breathing" Bible that can can be twisted to support whacked out leftist views. Then, and only then, mind you.
It's part of the whole "Jesus was just John Lennon without the glasses" school of "Christianity".
Ignore him.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThanks - the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church regarding intrinsic evils goes back to it roots as well. In addition, the believe that murdering children and homosexual conduct as moral incorrect acts goes back to the Chosen People.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSince God's laws are eternal it shouldn't matter if it is 2012 or 1812 on the question of morality.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMy position is the position of the Church created by Jesus Christ, so I do not have to worry about "staking out those positions." Even if the society does not accept God's truth does not mean that I will succumb to false teaching. If I have to choose between the example of Nancy Pelosi and Nurta Mohamed Farah, I will take Miss Farah - a true believer and marytr.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI've concluded there's just one explanation for this. When Pelosi et al. use the word "Catholic" it doesn't mean what you think it means.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHere's my theory: Apparently, there is more than one kind of "Catholic." There's the Holy Catholic Church of Rome -- that's the one the bishops belong to. And then there's the Holey Catholic Church of Convenience (that looks kind of like the RC Church, but with large sections of meaning and conviction cut out.) That's the one a large number of prominent politicians belong to.
Pelosi is a Catholic like I'm an astronaut.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseUh, the bishops exercised that same convenience in backing Obama and Obamacare until, like the scorpion and the frog, he did what you would expect the scorpion to do. I expect nothing from them and I'm sure I won't be disappointed as they make social justice that which is held holy.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI suggest we "fellow Catholics" flood her inbox, advising her that we do not even recognize her as Catholic. It seems pretty obvious that Ms. Pelosi relies on those infamous polls that show that 90-some percent of Catholic use birth control. So, in light of that, I propose that we start an online petition "Excommunicate Pelosi," complete with a Facebook "like" button.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse--"I am going to stick with Tom Brady and say that I'm glad the Giants won the Super Bowl."
--"I am going to stick with the Dalai Lama in supporting Chinese dictatorship over Tibet."
--"I am going to stick with Occupy Wall Street in supporting the operations of the biggest banks and financial companies in the United States."
--"I am going to stick with Nancy Pelosi and reaffirm that I believe abortion is wrong."
Hey, Pelosi's rhetorical device turns out to be very adaptable.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseRE: "I am going to stick with Occupy Wall Street in supporting the operations of the biggest banks and financial companies in the United States."
Very nice, but that one, above, doesn't work. The gadget-laden OWS morons fully support banks and all they make possible except the part where they are supposed to pay them back.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseShe has excommunicated herself from the Catholic Church. She just does not realize it.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI think it's very courageous of her to sell her soul to Moloch for earthly power she can not take with her.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe Obama administration is playing with fire here.
I think they only real way they can lose reelection is by holding firm on this anti-Catholic mandate.
They will alienate millions of swing voters.
Honestly, I would rather the government pay for contraception (not abortion) than force private companies to purchase insurance that goes against their core religious beliefs.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbusePelosi's not a bright woman, but she's intelligent and cynical enough to know that some inattentive (and likely nominal) Catholics won't pay much attention to this issue and that she can snow them with dishonest comments like this.
Of course, that sums up the whole abortion/"choice" movement: Do or say anything to get your way, regardless of the truth. The SC did it with Roe and NARAL and their allies have been doing it ever since.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIf the Pope doesn't understand that there is a possibility that a subset of the American laity is basically going to try and redefine American catholicism by default, he might wish to wake up and smell the coffee. What he and the rest of the Catholicism wish to do about the matter is their concern, but the fact is that the Catholic church as it is is both too powerful and too essential to Democratic interests while at the same time being too independent and too much at cross-purposes to other Democratic interests to be left alone in peace. I'm sure the hope is that the Catholic rank and file decide to follow in the main the Dem hope for how things should be, not the church way, as far as voting goes, and that sometimes a little "push" might be necessary to get them there.
The people behind this kind of thing have been successful far too long in an environment where they basically make a fiat rule, the press does not call them on it, and the people are expected to gradually adjust to the new world (which often happens). It's a MO that works--so don't think they won't try it on American Catholicism. They won't succeed, of course , if opposed--but they will make the attempt, because they just don't know how to limit themselves--admittedly hard when the press is your wingman.
If the Pope wants folks like Nancy Pelosi, other Democrat pols, and CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, et al to one day be the arbiter of what should and should not be viewed as proper for American Catholics, then all he needs to do is do nothing, because they have every intent to do exactly that (as well as for all other Americans).
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