The persecution of Christians, particularly in Islamic countries, and the indifference of Western elites (particularly the Obama administration which, as Ed Whelan observes, cavalierly adopts the rhetoric of war in its campaign against believing Christians), are outrages that must not be allowed to stand. It is great comfort today to find Conrad Black and Nina Shea shedding light on NRO. Nevertheless, I hope my friend Nina does not mind if I rail for a moment at her allusion to the mythical “Koranic injunction against compulsion in Islam,” which she suggests is transgressed by the fact that “Christians held in Saudi prisons for practicing their faith can be pressured to convert to Islam.”
I admit this is a bugbear of mine, but it is worth hammering because it is the very core of our failure to grasp classical Islamic doctrine. As I relate in The Grand Jihad, the Koranic verse in question is sura 2:256, which states in pertinent part, “Let there be no compulsion in religion.” We should know it by heart at this point, so often does it roll off the tongues of Islamist charlatans and their Western echo chambers — I’d be surprised if Georgetown hasn’t yet draped the passage over the Christian inscription it compliantly concealed at the Obama administration’s urging in 2009.
Do you seriously believe that we have a firmer grasp of this injunction the Saudis do?
The passage means that Islam forbids coercive conversion. But Islam most certainly does not prohibit coercing conformance with sharia. It is sharia (Islamic law), not the desire that everyone become a Muslim, that catalyzes both jihadist terror and the stealthier “dawa” campaign to infiltrate Islamic legal principles into our law and institutions. This should be obvious: Sharia contemplates that there will be non-Muslims — they are a source of revenue because they are taxed for the privilege of living under the protection of the Islamic authority.
The point of sharia, the reason for its palpable elevation of Muslims and reduction of non-Muslims to a lower caste (dhimmitude), is to persuade non-Muslims of the good sense of becoming a Muslim. The idea is that once Allah’s law has been implemented, there will be no need for compulsion in religion (i.e., compulsion to convert to Islam) because it will be crystal clear that Islam is the highest form of life.
If we look around at the evidence of sense, at the pervasive violence and intimidation, it couldn’t be more clear that Islam is not against compulsion. But it is compulsion to accept the Islamic legal structure, which is not a set of religious guidelines but a full-scale social system, regulating everything from economics to hygiene. It is true, no one will make you become a Muslim, and for sound financial reasons a sharia state will let you remain an infidel as long as you pay the freight and meekly accept second-class status (“feel [yourselves] subdued” as sura 9:29 puts it). But we really must stop repeating the canard that Islam is a “religion of peace” that forbids compulsion. The Saudis are not violating scripture; they are enforcing it.
What a surprise: the Arabic non-speaking, Islamic Law untrained McCarthy is back at the stone grinding out Koranic exegesis.
His interpretations of the Koran are just as invalid as would be Al Ahzar's interpretations of the New Testament or Papal Encyclicals, but McCarthy doesn't care. He's running for AG, don't you know.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYes, McCarthy has so little experience writing about Muslims and Terrorism. Only the good folks at Al-Ahzar can competently criticize.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseHey Collins, I can provide you with a list of names of men who do know Arabic and have been trained in Islamic Law that will provide the same exegesis.
Most of them of course have death threats upon their heads for their apostasy - so you will understand I can't give addresses here on the web.
As an aside, is it your conclusion that the Muslims have deliberately distorted the English translations of the Koran so as to keep people in the dark about the Arabic? Or is that just your convenient charge for this one verse?
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMcCarthy's ENTIRE POINT is that Saudi Arabia understands the Koranic text better than non-Muslim westerners do, meaning that westerners should accept Saudi practices as accurately incorporating Koranic doctrine. McCarthy defers to the Saudi interpretation, then explains why (in his view) the Saudi interpretation is reasonable -- even though he doesn't like the results of that interpretation.
Maybe you disagree with McCarthy and the Saudis, and you have a superior interpretation of Islamic law to offer. If so, provide your reasons; you're entitled to an opinion as well. But mischaracterizing McCarthy, merely so that you can sneer at him, is singularly unhelpful for everyone.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYou are right Andy, it is nonsense. This "mythical freedom of choice" thing in Islam is they might not immediately cut your head off if you don't jump on the Islam bandwagon immediately.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse“Let there be no compulsion in religion.' We should know it by heart at this point, so often does it roll off the tongues of Islamist charlatans and their Western echo chambers"
Yes, sir! Please feel free to aggressively counter the lies with the truth, Andrew. You are a warrior on the battlefield for truth where we cannot afford to relinquish any more ground.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe terrorists of Islam represent Islam no more than the abortion doctor killers or the Westboro Baptist Church represent evangelical Christianity.
But if one relied on McCarthy for a read on the Islamic world, one would conclude that the entire billion souls are one caldron of religiously motivated blood and murder. Yet hundreds of millions of modest, humble Muslims go about their daily walk in peace and piety (as best as they understand) in all the major cities of Islam, and does McCarthy ever write about what might be motivating them?
I say it as a avowed follower of Christ: as Christians we have plenty of blood and sin on our own hands that should keep us from being so eager to point out the moat that exists in Islam's eye.
Show me any killing in the Muslim world that compares to Christians killing Christians during WWI and WWII, yet we think we are so superior.
(And let me interdict your anticipated reply that we fought political wars by asking whether Christ ever gave a 'political' exception to his command to love your enemies.)
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseOkay, here is my question. McCarthy has told use that we are only fighting Islamists. That the vast majority of muslims are a decent, hardworking, even patriotic (h/t to Dan Foster) sort who are not into that whole bombing, Allahu Akbar! thing.
Whatever you do, don't confuse the two or somebody might get their feelings hurt!
But now Mr. McCarthy tells us that the real problem is actually Sharia. That is what the Islamists want. Got it? Okay, but Sharia and Islam go hand in hand. I'm no Islamic scholar (check with Chris Christie or that Grover guy if you want the definitive answer) but I do believe you can't have Islam without Sharia. I really do. So it would follow that all the non-islamists Muslims want Sharia too. Ask them if you are not sure. In that case, and maybe I'm wrong, the whole "Islamist"/Muslim thing is a distinction without a difference. They all want the same bad thing. And with Sharia, I and other Dhimmi's-in-waiting aren't going to have a say in the matter, kind of the essence of coercion, correct? It's not like I can go to my local non-Islamist Muslim lawyer (great guy, BTW), for example, slip him a couple of $K and get a waiver. Nope, it doesn't work that way. So whether you let in to your country "Islamist" Muslims or the other kind, once their are enough of them, the end result is always the same. It's kind of like Affirmative Action: everybody has a say in it -- except the people who are negatively impacted.
If I'm wrong, tell me where my logic has failed.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAnd if I"m right, Andy has some explaining to do.
Well said nobookcontract. (you deserve a commenting star)
Remember when Hitchens died and an old quote of his surfaced where he said that one can't really call himself a Christian unless he believes that Jesus is the only way to salvation for He alone died to atone for our sins and rose again the 3rd day. That this was the essense of Christianity, or else the label was meaningless.
So with Islam and sharia.
Just like people claim to be Christians that deny the above foundation of the faith (and we call such people apostates) - so a lot of people claim to be Muslims but are really apostates.
An apostate Christian may still have an apostate house of worship to pray in, give to, serve the poor with, hear sermons on world peace etc. And he would take great insult in being called an apostate.
Islam is no different.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseYour premise as I understand it is correct--without Sharia, there is no Islam. But your conclusions do not follow and, in fact, are almost unrelated to that premise. That is, your "logic" is in fact a non sequitur.
The actual error is the underlying unstated assumption that Sharia is uniformly construed and uniformly applied across Islam. That is the only way to erase the distinction between Islamist/non-Islamist Muslims. Islamic theology, like Christian and Jewish theology, is rich and diverse. It is anything but uniform. Even if it were uniformly construed, it is not uniformly applied.
We therefore have groups of Muslims that, for example, cut off peoples heads and blow up buildings as well as groups of Muslims who don't do anything like that.
I am not singling out Islam for this. Every religion of any sizable following exhibits both these characteristics. Not every adherent agrees on what the scripture says and not every adherent implements scripture the same way in their lives.
Surely, you don't deny that distinction.
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse"But now Mr. McCarthy tells us that the real problem is actually Sharia."
Wha? The Grand Jihad has been in hardcover since May, 2010. Go read it. It's really good.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe author misses a fundamental point in his eagerness to agree with radical clerics in Saudi Arabia.
All religious texts are fairly vague (including those of Islam), and religions (like Islam) are subject to varying interpretations. Most texts include contradictions. Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable for American Muslims, and indeed moderate Muslims to interpret their religion differently than radical clerics.
What's funny is that instead of supporting people who take a more moderate interpretation, the author is all too eager to shout them down. Instead, he lends his support to the radical clerics in Saudi Arabia. I know plenty of American Muslims who would disagree with the viewpoint of the Saudi clerics, but the author simply ignores their viewpoints in this debate.
By this author's logic, we should therefore automatically assume that the most conservative or fundamentalist interpretation of any religion is the correct one. But as the Westboro "Church" shows, this simply isn't the case.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAnd all carriages have wheels, so no soap radio.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThis will probably not pass the censors who prefer more agreeable hymns for their choir, but I'll try again.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThe unquestioning acceptance of McCarty's "Grand Jihad" as the infallible wisdom of an Islamic scholar is both laughable and pathetic. This man is no scholar. He is a bloodthirsty, warmonger and a simpleton! Like his historical and equally deranged namesake who found communists under every bed, for Andy there will always be Jihadists as well as communists there.
How could a such an apparently erudite man be so obstinately, willfully & callously ignorant of the human misery caused by America's meddlesome foreign adventures whether in Southeast Asia, the Middle East or where ever it leaves its bloody boot print ?
The answer: he is a mule-headed Reaganite.
I believe the "namesake" to whom you are referring was actually Joseph McCarthy, and so was not actually a namesake at all. And, it turns out that he was largely correct that the US government was riddled with communist minions of the Soviet Union. There is actually a book called the "Verona Papers" based on the archives of the old USSR that makes the case quite solidly. You should read it.
And, a pity you had to ruin your post accusing the author of ignorance of US history by displaying yours so thoroughly. Kind of undermines your point.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseFor what it's worth, the passage in question as quoted and out of its context is capable of other constructions . For example, it could be an admonition or direction to those converting that conversion should be performed gladly and willingly rather than an injunction against coerced conversion.
But, really, I don't care what Islam says or doesn't say in theory or what anybody argues the Koran says.
What I care about is how the people who identify themselves as adherents to Islam conduct themselves. It doesn't help any of the rest of us if Islam's adherents act contrary to Koranic injunction. Anybody who denies the occurrence of coerced conversion or the persecution of other religions even to death (ask Egypt's Copts) by adherents of Islam is ignorant, deluded, or lying.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThis will probably not pass the censors who prefer more agreeable hymns for their choir, but I'll try again.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt is amusing and also pathetic to find that some people actually take McCarthy’s “Grand Jihad” as the infallible wisdom of a scholar on all things Islamic. This man is not a scholar. He is poseur and a propagandist who’s stock & trade is using simplistic arguments to counter the most simple minded interpretations of Islam. So it is only fitting that he has a lot of fans on this cite. Like his historical and equally paranoid namesake who found communists under every bed, for Andy there will always be Jihadists as well as communists there.
How could a such an apparently erudite man be so obstinately, willfully & callously ignorant of the human misery caused by America's meddlesome foreign adventures whether in Southeast Asia, the Middle East or where ever it leaves its bloody boot print ?
The answer: he is a mule-headed Reaganite. And he wants to regain his glory days when he and his heroic fellow warrior brought down Soviet communism.
Except now Andy has unleashed the full force of his indomitable intellect to bring down Islamic Jihad and maybe some day be even be Attorney General.
This will probably not pass the censors who prefer more agreeable hymns for their choir, but I'll try again.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseIt is amusing and also pathetic to find that some people actually take McCarthy’s “Grand Jihad” as the infallible wisdom of a scholar on all things Islamic. This man is not a scholar. He is a propagandist who’s stock & trade is using simplistic arguments to counter the most simple minded interpretations of Islam. So I guess it's only fitting that he has a lot of fans on this site. Like his historical and equally paranoid namesake who found communists under every bed, for Andy there will always be Jihadists as well as communists there.
How could a such an apparently erudite man be so obstinately, willfully & callously ignorant of the human misery caused by America's meddlesome foreign adventures whether in Southeast Asia, the Middle East or where ever it leaves its bloody boot print ?
The answer: he is a mule-headed Reaganite. And, he wants to regain his glory days when he and his heroic fellow warrior brought down Soviet communism.
Except now Andy has unleashed the full forced of his indomitable intellect to bring down Islamic Jihad.