I'm not a Catholic Christian, I'm a Baptist Christian... but I find your Catholic updates extremely meaningful. Thank you for loving our Lord -- you and I share that -- and I am grateful for your insights.
Spare us not Kathryn. You are the only thing preventing this blog from being completely secularized. Obsessing over Star Trek or the occasional theatre review of the music of the Episcopal Church in Manhattan are not an adequate substitute for the real thing.
I agree with Oofy and not just because I like typing "Oofy".
Though not Catholic, I'd hate to see the ghetto-ization of Catholicism or faith more generally take place at the Corner. In fact, I'd be happy with more writers treating matters of faith not less. Perhaps you could could invite contributions from some folks at First Things, Christianity Today, or Books and Culture (the last is a subdivision of CT).
A third word of appreciation from another non-Catholic here. I fully expected to see comments saying, "good riddance" and such, expressed more colorfully. I guess those folks are at church. ;)
That is great, so long as you do not spare this fine Corner the truth...about HHS, freedom of religion, secular hedonism, and the indivisible dynamic of one's faith and God's existence in the full political experience of a truly humane and secular civic life.
KJL, don't let the haters push you out of this square. This isn't even the "public square" that they demand be devoid of God. If people don't want to read your posts they do not have to click on the link. As a non-Catholic I enjoy getting different perspectives on our shared Faith.
One question: why? Are you mad at me because, as a fellow Catholic, I disagree with your support of Sen. Santorum? Oh, that's two questions.
One could argue that it is un-Catholic to move. I fear if you start up a "Catholic site" you will be consigned to that irrelevant little niche market where a select few produce products for their even more select following. There is a lot of patting on the back but little influence in the greater culture. The Church gains her sustenance in prayer and contemplation but she carries out her apostolate in the marketplace, the city and the wider culture. Much of the rest of this blog has become too secularized. We need people who can discuss politics, etc from an understanding that the true conservative knows that all rational philosophies, institutions, works of art and cultures derive ultimately from Providence. To paraphrase Burke, it is in acting with purpose and an understanding that Providence guides our path and corrects our steps where we find the true conservative way; not mere babbling ideologues who just happens to be on one team over the other.
I'm singing along with the choir---it would be an enormous loss to this community should your voice on these issues disappear. I am regularly encouraged by the common ground we share. And no, I'm not Catholic either.
Can't do much in daily life without the Established Church of Pop Culture Progressivism delivering its stern sermons, enforcing its rigid orthodoxies. Your observations are always a welcome antidote -- be sure to leave pointers here when you've posted there.
The culture precedes the politics -- if we give up on it, no politics can save us. So keep spreading it far and wide.
Nothing wrong with Catholic commentary here, as long as it doesn't dominate the debate for weeks on end, with 10 "Where are the Women" headlines per day. That's all.
As another non-Catholic please do not stop sharing your thoughts and feelings of all things about religion - Catholic, Protestant, Jewish or any others I missed.
Kathryn's devoutly Catholic conservatism is always a welcome perspective and in keeping with NR's long, rich, proud history of Catholic intellectualism. I'm glad she has a new forum to blog about matters of the Church but, like others, hope this does not mean she will cease writing about such issues of faith here at the Corner as well. That would be a devastating loss.
As one who has been highly critical of the mix of Catholicism and politics here, I respectfully say that it sounds like the right thing to do. Kathryn's value to NR is beyond question. I think it will be even greater with her having a separate outlet into which to channel some of her explicitly Catholic passions. I don't think anyone would suggest that it is inappropriate for writers here to talk occasionally about their faith, but I think it will be wise move -- if that is being signaled here -- for the magazine to lower its Catholic profile. Given traditions, not an easy decision, I am sure.
I see a couple of reasons why:
1. NR is a free market orientated publication and the market is telling NR to pull back on the Catholic presence.
2. Many readers share common cause with Catholics on certain issues but disagree with the functioning and unique beliefs of Catholics. Discuss a religion for any reasonable period of time and you will start getting into theology. Discuss theology and you will quickly see deep disagreement. We can agree that abortion is wrong/evil, we have common cause and can work together through the political process to achieve our common goals, this is good. Keep bringing up Catholicism and some will be opposed to religion in general and others in specific- perpetual virginity, papal infallibility, the priesthood, transubstantiation, etc. Keep discussing Catholicism and you will get theological debates, so then the question becomes, does NRO want to become a sit focused on debating religion? NRO could eliminate the debate by not allowing opposition and become a Catholic monologue, but again, is that what NRO wants to be?
Finally. Been hoping my complaints would one day get answered. Although now I no longer can use my "Does KJL post about Catholicism?" sarcastic reply .
I'm not a Catholic Christian, I'm a Baptist Christian... but I find your Catholic updates extremely meaningful. Thank you for loving our Lord -- you and I share that -- and I am grateful for your insights.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseThank God someone finally got the memo after all these years: not everyone who subscribes to NRO is Catholic! The Pope finally moved.
Seriously the happiest day for me on this site in years.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseSpare us not Kathryn. You are the only thing preventing this blog from being completely secularized. Obsessing over Star Trek or the occasional theatre review of the music of the Episcopal Church in Manhattan are not an adequate substitute for the real thing.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI agree with Oofy and not just because I like typing "Oofy".
Though not Catholic, I'd hate to see the ghetto-ization of Catholicism or faith more generally take place at the Corner. In fact, I'd be happy with more writers treating matters of faith not less. Perhaps you could could invite contributions from some folks at First Things, Christianity Today, or Books and Culture (the last is a subdivision of CT).
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseA third word of appreciation from another non-Catholic here. I fully expected to see comments saying, "good riddance" and such, expressed more colorfully. I guess those folks are at church. ;)
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseKathryn,
That is great, so long as you do not spare this fine Corner the truth...about HHS, freedom of religion, secular hedonism, and the indivisible dynamic of one's faith and God's existence in the full political experience of a truly humane and secular civic life.
As ever,
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KJL, don't let the haters push you out of this square. This isn't even the "public square" that they demand be devoid of God. If people don't want to read your posts they do not have to click on the link. As a non-Catholic I enjoy getting different perspectives on our shared Faith.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseMs. Lopez,
One question: why? Are you mad at me because, as a fellow Catholic, I disagree with your support of Sen. Santorum? Oh, that's two questions.
One could argue that it is un-Catholic to move. I fear if you start up a "Catholic site" you will be consigned to that irrelevant little niche market where a select few produce products for their even more select following. There is a lot of patting on the back but little influence in the greater culture. The Church gains her sustenance in prayer and contemplation but she carries out her apostolate in the marketplace, the city and the wider culture. Much of the rest of this blog has become too secularized. We need people who can discuss politics, etc from an understanding that the true conservative knows that all rational philosophies, institutions, works of art and cultures derive ultimately from Providence. To paraphrase Burke, it is in acting with purpose and an understanding that Providence guides our path and corrects our steps where we find the true conservative way; not mere babbling ideologues who just happens to be on one team over the other.
God bless,
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I'm singing along with the choir---it would be an enormous loss to this community should your voice on these issues disappear. I am regularly encouraged by the common ground we share. And no, I'm not Catholic either.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseOh, I love it! Bookmarked, indeed. Thank you so much, K-Lo.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseCongrats! Bookmarked. Added to my growing list of Catholic bloggers.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseCan't do much in daily life without the Established Church of Pop Culture Progressivism delivering its stern sermons, enforcing its rigid orthodoxies. Your observations are always a welcome antidote -- be sure to leave pointers here when you've posted there.
The culture precedes the politics -- if we give up on it, no politics can save us. So keep spreading it far and wide.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseNothing wrong with Catholic commentary here, as long as it doesn't dominate the debate for weeks on end, with 10 "Where are the Women" headlines per day. That's all.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAs another non-Catholic please do not stop sharing your thoughts and feelings of all things about religion - Catholic, Protestant, Jewish or any others I missed.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseKathryn's devoutly Catholic conservatism is always a welcome perspective and in keeping with NR's long, rich, proud history of Catholic intellectualism. I'm glad she has a new forum to blog about matters of the Church but, like others, hope this does not mean she will cease writing about such issues of faith here at the Corner as well. That would be a devastating loss.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseAs one who has been highly critical of the mix of Catholicism and politics here, I respectfully say that it sounds like the right thing to do. Kathryn's value to NR is beyond question. I think it will be even greater with her having a separate outlet into which to channel some of her explicitly Catholic passions. I don't think anyone would suggest that it is inappropriate for writers here to talk occasionally about their faith, but I think it will be wise move -- if that is being signaled here -- for the magazine to lower its Catholic profile. Given traditions, not an easy decision, I am sure.
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Why do you think it should only be 'occasionally'* and that the Catholic presence should diminish (i.e. have a lower profile)?
*(Besides, is it not so already?)
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseI see a couple of reasons why:
Reply to this commentLinkReport Abuse1. NR is a free market orientated publication and the market is telling NR to pull back on the Catholic presence.
2. Many readers share common cause with Catholics on certain issues but disagree with the functioning and unique beliefs of Catholics. Discuss a religion for any reasonable period of time and you will start getting into theology. Discuss theology and you will quickly see deep disagreement. We can agree that abortion is wrong/evil, we have common cause and can work together through the political process to achieve our common goals, this is good. Keep bringing up Catholicism and some will be opposed to religion in general and others in specific- perpetual virginity, papal infallibility, the priesthood, transubstantiation, etc. Keep discussing Catholicism and you will get theological debates, so then the question becomes, does NRO want to become a sit focused on debating religion? NRO could eliminate the debate by not allowing opposition and become a Catholic monologue, but again, is that what NRO wants to be?
Thank God somebody at NRO got my memo after all these years!
A long overdue step in the right direction.
Reply to this commentLinkReport AbuseFinally. Been hoping my complaints would one day get answered. Although now I no longer can use my "Does KJL post about Catholicism?" sarcastic reply .
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