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I Can’t Say I Disagree

A media friend writes: 

I read the tweet tracker before I could watch the debate on TIVO. I totally don’t get the consensus that Santorum tanked. I thought he won. At best it was a draw — meaning Romney didn’t do what he needed to turn it around.

This was not Rick Perry at his worst, for goodness sake, he wrote.

Everyone ended up agreeing in earmarks! He’s going to lose points for endorsing Specter in 2002? Really?

I think it is the insider thing that could hurt the Rick left standing. But voters will tell us. 

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   02/23/12 10:34

Shocking... the people who like Rick Santorum the most fail to see how bad his performance was last night. Please post more of these helpful insights.

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   02/23/12 11:17

Weird how that works, huh? Defending earmarks, defending campaigning for Specter over Toomey, saying he was just being a team player when he voted for NCLB...yeah, conservatives LOVE all of that stuff. Santorum did great. I don't know why people are saying he tanked.

On a non-sarcastic note, are anyone else's captchas totally illegible today, or is it just me?

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   02/23/12 14:53

Count me as one who likes him but thinks he did horribly.

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   02/23/12 10:53

The Specter endorsement came in 2004, and he most definitely should "lose points" for it -- for the endorsement itself and for the worrying picture of Santorum to which it contributes. Santorum used the word "courage" to describe himself and yet strangely lacked that quality at some important junctures in his Senate career, preferring to be a "team" player and following instead of leading. That might be how Washington works, according to the former senator, but that's what's wrong with Washington.

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   02/23/12 10:53

With all due respect, you and your "media friend" need to pull your heads out of the Santorum flavored trough of Kool-Aid.

It wasn't even close that Santorum lost.

He was juvenile. He -- once again -- displayed that annoyed, eye rolling, clucking, sighing behavior that did such wonders for Al Gore.

You know the bad thing about that behavior? It's a nervous tic that provides a window into the soul.

Santorum came off as the shallow, petty, sanctimonious, caviling, small person that he really is, under the "aw shucks" altar boy image he likes to promulgate.

On top of that, we had him defending earmarks and defending endorsing Specter over Toomey and voting for NCLB and......

Honestly.

The real Santorum that Paul and Romney deftly revealed last night is a joke in terms of being a conservative.

Santorum is someone who is using religion and invokes a mythical lost paradise of cultural values to fleece sincere people

He's Alan Keyes.

Look, it is not for me to judge whether his religious zeal is sincere. I don't render judgement on his soul.

But it is entirely appropriate to point out that someone who is really sincere about Christian values wouldn't display -- consistently over the course of decades in public life -- the uncharitable, egotistical, self-absorbed, sanctimonious, intolerant aspect that Santorum has displayed.

We are all flawed and we all sin.

But we also repent and try to behave better.

Santorum either hasn't repented and/or tried to behave better (because his behavior is exactly the same, if not worse, over the course of decades) or if he has, he hasn't exactly made much headway.

In the former case, he is a flagrant hypocrite. And it doesn't make sense to replace the one in office with another one of those.

In the latter case, Santorum is horribly flawed deep down inside and has been unable to change that.

That's fine, many of us are.

But it also disqualifies from being considered seriously for President. There are people with better characters, you know. We don't need a "fixer-upper" as President. Again -- it doesn't make sense to replace the one in office with another one of those.

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   02/23/12 11:11

What? Kathryn "Preening Moral Scold" Lopez doesn't think Santorum's debate performance was lacking? Color me shocked!

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Windy City Commentary
   02/23/12 11:31

Mitt Romney is a Massachusetts insider!

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   02/23/12 11:49

Rick Perry?

Santorum lost. He looked like an inside Washington deal maker, not someone who can change Washignton.

If the Republicans don't elect Mitt Romney, a successful executive leader in both the private, public and volunteer sector, we will not win against Obama.

Nominating a senator or congressman to compete with someone in an executive position is not a good strategy for winning.

Obama's campaign knows it (that's why they are spending millions to try and defeat Romney in the primary), let's hope Michigan and Arizona voters know it.

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   02/23/12 12:29

Dear Ms. Lopez:

Santorum became the front-runner by positioning himself as (1) the more conservative alternative to Romney, who (2) is electable - would do well on a stage opposite to Obama.

He had a bad, bad debate because (1) Paul and Romney "refutiated" Santorum's claim that people should be confident that he's more fiscally conservative than Romney (by pointing out earmarks, Specter-Obamacare, NCLB, didn't even get to right-to-work), and (2) his demeanor and defensiveness, as well as his over-emphasis on culture war issues (reinforcing the "bible nut legislating morality" narrative) made him look small and unnappealing - not someone people can see on a stage against Obama.

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Simplex
   02/23/12 12:35

What I find most amusing about all the people attacking Santorum is that every one of those attacks applies to Mitt... and more, by a factor of at least ten.

I can see Team Obama's 2012 campaign motto now: RomneyCare FTW!

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   02/23/12 12:51

There is little doubt Santorum had a poor debate on substance. The team player line etc.

However, it is laughable to read the haters continue to talk about his demeanor being childish, angry and so forth. While at the same time not seeing anything wrong in Sir Romney's demeanor (good grief that last question!!) It's a debate people. Rick smiled more than he has all campaign. We all see what we want to see I guess.

Once more we are back to whether the issues of Santorum have already been priced into his poll numbers - or if people were actually tuning in and learning for the first time about his Senate record.

I think the guy, especially in the 2nd half discussion and in talking about Iran and the like, certainly showed he was not just some preacher in political clothing - which is a meme that has been getting thrown around.

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   02/23/12 13:20

Come on Steve,

I agree with you that Romney is not that likeable and that his initial response to King's reminder on the last question's premise was poor (he got a bit better after his: "you ask, I answer" bit). But Romney looked the part - he got a B, B+ on his overall demeanor. Santorum got a C, C-.

If you are running as a guy who is (1) more conservative than Romney and, just as importantly, (2) just as electable, or moreso.... the diference in demeanors really undercuts your selling point.

I also agree that Santorum's response on Iran was very good. I think that was his best moment last night.

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alan bor
   02/23/12 12:56

People at NR are strongly biased for Romney - so of course they see the debate as a Ronmey win. Jennifer Rubin saying that Santorum had a good debate, or that Romney had a so-so debate is something that goes against everything she stands for. NR is in the tank for Romney!

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   02/23/12 13:37

Along with many other conservative Republicans, I would be fine with Romney as the nominee, just not very enthusiastic about him. I did not like him personally in 2008, and I still do not like him personally today.

Although I had high hopes for Santorum last night--another performance like the previous debate probably would have clinched Michigan, made Arizona interesting, and provided further momentum for Washington and the Super Tuesday states--I also had realistic expectations and was not surprised by how things went overall. Some of his responses were really excellent, but those were overshadowed by how much defense he had to play as the chief target of his rivals for the first time.

For better or for worse, what he showed in Mesa is who he is. Some see him as whiny and irritating, others as feisty and combative, but he is certainly not programmed with consultant-driven and focus-group-tested one-liners. He answers the question that is asked, and when challenged, he tries to explain himself--no matter how long it takes, or how much "inside baseball" it requires him to describe. Some perceive this as naive, others consider it authentic, but either way he is telling you what he really thinks, not what he assumes you want to hear.

Steve Wright is right (no pun intended)--the big question at this point is whether those who found him appealing before will find him less so now. As Kathryn said, the ball is in the voters' court.

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   02/23/12 21:16

"He answers the question that is asked, and when challenged, he tries to explain himself--no matter how long it takes, or how much "inside baseball" it requires him to describe. Some perceive this as naive, others consider it authentic, but either way he is telling you what he really thinks, not what he assumes you want to hear."

That is true to a certain extent. The disappointment comes in recognizing that he isn't as unflinchingly principled as he sometimes appears. There were plenty of ostensibly good reasons to vote for NCLB ...the abysmal state of education, the achievement gap, the fact the federal money was being handed out with zero accountability. It has had some modest successes in some areas that could have reinforced that point. While it is true education is something probably best administered at the local level, I would like to have believed that Santorum voted for it at least partially out of good intentions. Little harm in admitting that despite good intentions, in hindsight he realized it was a mistake. To hear him say he only voted for it to "take one for the team", made me cringe.

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   02/23/12 14:08

There is no doubt that Santorum was the clear winner last night much like Romney winning the South Carolina debates.

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DubyaC
   02/24/12 20:55

It's funny to see the Santorum-haters expressing themselves in such hateful and often immature language. Increasingly, I'm finding repulsive the idea that I'm "on the same side" as these worthies.

And I'd love to know how much marijuana is consumed in the NRO sessions where stars are allocated to posters.

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